User talk:HangingCurve/Archive 6
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I'm taking a break...
We have had a so-so working relationship, but as you are one of the more prominent contributors to television station articles, I've decided to write this to you directly.
I'm taking a break from editing for a while. There's too much going on with me in this place that I need to regroup, enjoy the summer, and refocus. I feel that there is a lack of cohesiveness and willingness to share opinions and work together the way we should here, at least in certain areas. Right now, all of this is coming to a head for me, and I've decided to take a step back. I'm not sure when I'll return, but I will. Keep up the good work, and hold the fort until I return. ( :) ) Rollosmokes (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Merge of Clemson University football recruiting scandal
I have initiated a discussion of a merge of Clemson University football recruiting scandal. The discussion thread is here. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. This invitation is in accordance with Wikipedia merge guidelines, and should not be mistaken for canvassing.Thör hammer 01:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
NASCAR
Hello there, B.B.96, i have a curious question. See, recently, I have been going through NASCAR driver articles and adding their 2008/career statistics (e.g.Dave Blaney). Do I need to site a reference where I got those stats? Thank You--Dominic Edward Aragon (talk) 02:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Baseball Newsletter
The Baseball WikiProject Newsletter Issue I – July 2008 | |
This month's newsletter was designed and written by Wizardman, jj137, and Blackngold29. If you would like to contribute to future newsletters, please contact the Baseball WP outreach dept. |
Baseball has a history unlike any other sport. It has been played in countless countries throughout the decades, and it will undoubtedly continue play for many more. On this eve, some the finest players the sport has to offer will take the field at the Yankee Stadium. Four popes spoke there, Pelé scored goals there, "The Greatest [football] Game Ever Played" was battled out there, John Philip Sousa lead a band there, George Costanza worked there; but what do all these events have in common? They fail to reach the level of greatness that the baseball that was played there did. In 1923, a man named Babe Ruth decided to build a new house, and over the years, that house was a home to some of the greatest baseball ever played. If I were to list out all of these great moments, it would be longer than the bill for the New Yankee Stadium. So I'll sum it up by saying that we can remember these great moments by adding them to this place we've gathered at for future generations to read about, to learn about, to dream about; but more importantly we can watch tonight and we can remember how baseball is unlike anything else that we will encounter in our lives. — Blackngold29 |
-- jj137 (talk) 02:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Neutralhomer
I have a request for unblock at User talk:Neutralhomer, whom you blocked indefinitely in March. No comment on the merits, but he has posted what appears to be a sincere (and lengthy) apology for past conduct. I took no action but to note that I would ping you - so, ping. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 02:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Fraberj
A new sock, you declined one of his unblocks, mind having a look?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Frabberj —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyonthesubway (talk • contribs) 22:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Headsup
[1] Since he was 86'd he's been republishing the same links outing user Filll that got him blocked over at Wikiversity and warring to keep them up:[2][3] Clearly he hasn't learned anything. Wanna guess who's helping revert removals of the links there? Same person trying to get him back here:[4] Odd nature (talk) 00:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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What are your thoughts on unblocking this user and allowing him to change his name and make NPOV edits to the Flying Pigeon article? The article doesn't seem to have had much work lately and allowing someone close to the subject matter to work on it might improve our coverage. Oversight would of course be required to ensure it's not overly advertisy... thoughts? –xeno (talk) 15:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
can you cite this? miranda 03:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
AdultSwim
Are you seriously endorsing a ban on this editor for a mistake they made over two years ago? -- Ned Scott 06:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for looking at my unblock request. It honestly was just a space that I wanted to put things since I was trying to understand my block.I apoligize for my edit warring. it did get crazy. I was fustrated. I was trying to get him to contact me and was trying to find an adminsistrator to help, but I am new to wikipedia I do not understand it fully. honestly my first impression of it is very poor. I held it high in regards to valuable information. I honestly do not anymore. I honestly feel it was kudos to me for making first contact instead of the constant undoing that was happening to the edits with no form of contact. The undo button is actually really easy to see it is out in plain sight, or I thought it was. I really am a new user. Dont understand the protected you put on my page but I thank you for giving me a valid reason for my page being blocked. I would like assitance if thats ok I wrote dreadedwalrus a please do not contact me again request. Since he misreads everything I write it seems. I understand these talk pages is where you put this sort of stuff is that correct? If not where? Also should I run into a problem with him again how can I contact an administrator or someone that can help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.96.92 (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Volano Software Inc. spam and trolling
FYI, see this blacklisting entry:
I'm not sure that this will stop our Volano Software spammer/troll, but it may slow him down some.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 04:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure where a lot of the facts came from that in University of Michigan basketball scandal. I have added a lot of proper citations, but could use some help cleaning up the article. If you want to get involved that would be great.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the recent editorial assistance with the article. Continued efforts in responding to Talk:University of Michigan basketball scandal/GA1 would be helpful.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Thought you might be interestred in this...
I just created the North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball seasons article and put it up for a DYK nomination. I thought you might be interested in helping make this article better as well as helping it obtain DYK status so it can appear on the main page. Also, I figure I should introduce myself since I am also a guy who graduated from UNC-CH and majored in journalism. Small world. Remember (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Unblock
Hiya,
I took this action as it was urgently directed towards us by two employees of the Foundation. Would you be able to email me the name of the checkuser so I can double-check everything? In the meantime the advice I received from various sources was to unblock pending discussion with the checkuser who performed the check, as this is apparently significant massive collateral which even drew the developers' attention. Regards, Daniel (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- FYI, Wikiscanner shows 3000+ anonymous edits from this IP range. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 15:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Some horrible problem occurred in this article, with regard to the image at infobox. I can't figure out how to fix it. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Removing backlinks
Hi, I wonder what your rationale is for removing :back links" to speedily deleted articles using Twinkle? Case in point: St James Catholic Church: You removed back link from List of Registered Historic Places in North Dakota, which concerned a church in Jamestown, North Dakota that is on the National Register of Historic Places. You also removed a back link from an article that referred to a church by that name in St Louis, Missouri. There are many churches named St. James Catholic Church, so I have no idea which one the deleted article concerned. National Register state listings purposely have redlinks on articles to be created, so they will turn blue upon creation. Back linking short circuits this process. I have changed the name it the North Dakota list to St. James Catholic Church (Jamestown, North Dakota) I am, a member of both the NRHP and North Dakota projects. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I think you went too far
With this Grawp IP block. The others got a week, and 3 hours and i think a 6 month hard block is going too far, unless you know something i dont. Monster Under Your Bed (talk) 02:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
- Silly me, my eyes really are going bad:P Monster Under Your Bed (talk) 03:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Zachary James Dodds
Hello there. I'm a bit curious as to why the article I posted was deleted? "Zachary James Dodds" gets over 700 hits on Google, he is a well-established member of the Arizona/Phoenix music scene, has released two professional-quality E.P.s, etc. I understand that many small time acts may not deserve a place on Wikipedia, but is it common practice to delete all prospective artists on the basis that they are unsigned? Thanks! -plannedtobe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plannedtobe (talk • contribs) 22:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Soccermeko
I'm well aware. His access seems to be limited to two dialup ranges out of Atlanta: 4.129.*.* and 4.154.*.*. I have a tool that can check the recent changes log for all edits out of that range. Every once in a while, I scan a four or five day range of contributions, looking for valid anonymous edits out of that range. I invariably come up dry. I don't think that there would be any significant damage done by blocking that pair of /16s, as long as established accounts were still permitted to edit.
Kww (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'll have to soften a bit. I just searched the last 200000 edits to Wikipedia, and found 5 that were from anonymous editors in that range that were not obviously linked to Soccermeko. So, there would be some collateral damage. Not a lot, but some.
Kww (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Blueboy, I narrowed the ranges on your blocks. You can see my reason at WP:AN#Range_block_on_Soccermeko. Spellcast (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
IP check
Just a quick note to let you know I've archived this request for now. Feel free to bring it back if problems persist. Primarily I'm leaving this note to save you the trouble of looking for it, if that comes up. ;) – Luna Santin (talk) 20:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Palin
Please see here. I don't think your recent edit was accurate.Ferrylodge (talk) 22:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
User: Bart Versieck
You may be interested in commenting on a discussion regarding the above noted user here. Cheers, CP 17:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
G'day Blueboy
I'd like to apologise, because I started a thread on AN concerning the block of User:Moulton, and should have thought to come here prior to such an action. Sorry, and no offense or upset was intended. Your thoughts on that matter would be most welcome there, or here, or on my talk page. best, Privatemusings (talk) 02:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Easterns Automotive Group
Please see my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Easterns Automotive Group. --Eastmain (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
68.184.215.20
Thanks for blocking that anon user. I appericate it. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk 16:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Query on block
Hello. Since I generally operate under a 0RR policy for the admin actions of my fellow admins, I wanted to check with you regarding your block of 76.203.35.37 (talk · contribs · block log) as it appears to be an out-of-process block. This IP's last edit was at 13:15 on 9/14 for which a level three warning was issued. The IP then stopped editing altogether, yet inexplicably received another warning [5], then was inappropriately reported [6] to AIV over 27 hours after they stopped editing. As such it appears that the block request fails AIV criteria #2 (they stopped editing more than a day ago) and #3 (the IP stopped after receiving a vandalism-3 warning). --Kralizec! (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
N.Y.U.Club Co.,Ltd. is back as Nyuclub
The user changed names to avoid a block and is trying to post the same article. Perhaps a deletion and a protection of the page is in order to prevent them from making the page again? Terrillja (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Linky: User_talk:Nyuclub —Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrillja (talk • contribs) 21:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the block, hopefully it keeps that user away for a little while.Terrillja (talk) 21:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Block
Mea Culpa SavolyaSavolya (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Three Rivers
I would like to inquire about your plans/reasons for altering info and sentence structure of the Three Rivers Stadium article multiple times. I wrote the article in its entirity and it soon passed its GA review with only a few issues. Since then you have added multiple bits of Original research, POV, and un-needed re-wording. For example, in your last edit you changed a few things such as: "For their part, the Pirates wanted a bigger place to play" which I think sounds less encyclopedic than the former. Next you stated, "(Forbes only seated 35,000 people)" the inclusion of "only" makes the statement POV by implying 35,000 is a small number; in addition the capacity of Forbes Field changed multiple times and at the time of planning may not have been 35,000. Repeated use of the word "Pitt" is fine for conversation, especially to someone from western Pennsylvania, but it may confuse people unfamiliar to the term. The Pirates far from "abandoned" Exposition Park, it was a very long-planned move. "(similar to that of Shea Stadium)" is OR and the use of "similar" is POV. "The sight lines were better suited for football..." is once again POV, unless acreddited (which is currently isn't). I always appreciate improvement of articles that I write, but I do not fell that the instances that I have cited better the article. I have once more reverted the edits I felt were unecessary, but do not wish to get into an edit war in any way. If you have questions about anything don't hesitate to ask. Thank you! Blackngold29 18:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have unblocked this account as I don't feel it breaks the current wording of WP:U (not outright offensive, not promotional). You might wish to discuss it with the user if you think he should still get a rename :). -- lucasbfr talk 07:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: Nielsen
Have you learned anything new on this Nielsen DMCA takedown thing? - NeutralHomer • Talk 04:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
edits to personal page
Thank you for your message and changes to my user page. I was actually the one making changes, I didn't realise I wasn't logged in, and I very much appreciate your kind consideration in terms of checking content alterations.
SteveNimmons (talk) 09:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you permanently ban Jakezing?
Hi I noticed that you have banned a user called Jakezing in the past for personal attacks and incivility. While this user has not done anything to me in particular I noticed that Jakezing told a user to go "learn to read boy" because the user did not understand the markings on a map, which can be seen here [7]. The attitude of is highly offensive and patronizing to the other user, and seeing that this user Jakezing has done personal attacks in the past and has ignored previous warnings to discontinue this behaviour, I believe that this user should be banned permanently or indefinately. Thank you for your attention, and I hope you can do something about this.--R-41 (talk) 00:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- The word "Permanent ban" is actully a lie, as all bans are capable of being recended, as cody6 i was permed, thne it was recended cause i asked for it to be :D--Jakezing (talk) 23:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure what the status is of the individual findings that lead to WP:CHILD. Can you take a look at User:Hakan_Cankur in that light? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Sierra Pacific Resources
Noticed your edits here. Do you know what the announcement yesterday means? It was unclear from the news reports and press release. In the RJ today there was one bit that the two subsidiaries would be combined in name but with the former names being used in certain cases. In any case, can you create an article for Sierra Pacific Power Company since this is the company with the oldest history? Even a stub would be nice. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Avril Lavigne vandalism
- Lonely lost soul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Birthdaygirl84 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Wubwubus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Vancouver cornetto1989 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
These vandal accounts and the template vandalism they caused were enabled because you unblocked 82.198.250.0/24 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and replaced it with a soft block. As I explained at Template:Checkuserblock-Synetrix, even though these are shared IPs, almost all the edits are vandalism from the Avril vandal. These accounts were created recently on Tor, then used to vandalize from school. The template further gives several helpful instructions to good editors who might be affected. I am disappointed you lifted this block without informing or consulting me. Thatcher 18:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- You didn;t even make it an ACB block. Well, I'm sure ALT is thrilled. Thatcher 18:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- Please see the WP:ANI#Avril Lavigne for related discussion. Thanks. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I actually thought long and hard about whether or not to report this user to WP:UAA because, despite an obviously promotional username, he had a non trivial editing history and some constructive contributions. Considering this your 48 hour block is reasonable.
Do you think he should be asked to change his username when his block is up? --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
RE:UAA
Wouldn't it be more likely that someone was endorsing marijuana? I know, you're supposed to always give them the BOTD. Whatever, —Sunday • (Testify!) 17:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Washington Mutual, New York Stock Exchange
I have a cite that the stock was over the counter via NASDAQ in 1995. Do you have a citation that it was immediately traded on the New York Stock Exchange upon going public? If not, please rescind your edit for NYSE trading.
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 00:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Block Evasion by Webkinzman
One of your blockees is rattling around as an IP. The sockpuppet report is here. Kww (talk) 02:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Block of User:Dwayneperkins
Hiya.. I'm not sure your block of User:Dwayneperkins was necessary (unless I've missed something); I had engaged him in discussion about how WP:COI and WP:N work and I think progress was being made. He had committed at my talk page to reading through WP policies and guidelines ('perusing the rules', as he put it). Unless he's causing spam/vandalism elsewhere, could you please unblock him? One of his reasons for coming here was recognizing that lots of people look at WP. Maybe we can build a constructive editor out of him? Cheers. Prince of Canada t | c 12:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Great Work
CVU Anti-Vandalism Award | ||
You have been incredible neutral and ever vigilant .A true wikipedian only due to efforts of users like you Wikipedia runs Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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October Baseball WikiProject Newsletter
The Baseball WikiProject Newsletter Issue III – October 2008 | |
List of New York Mets Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Colorado Rockies Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Florida Marlins Opening Day starting pitchers, Nashville Sounds seasons, List of Tampa Bay Rays Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Seattle Mariners Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Boston Red Sox Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Arizona Diamondbacks Opening Day starting pitchers, New York Yankees seasons
All the Way (Eddie Vedder song), Cy Young, Dan Brouthers, Harmon Killebrew, Rickey Henderson, Billy Pierce, Kinston Indians, Three Rivers Stadium, Bill Lange, Calgary Cannons, Hugh Daily, Homer at the Bat This month's newsletter was designed and written by Wizardman, jj137, and Blackngold29. If you would like to contribute to future newsletters, please contact the Baseball WP outreach dept. |
We apologize for not sending out our August newsletter, we have tried to cover some events of the month in this issue. The playoffs have started! The Dodgers and Phillies have won their respective Division Series and will face off in the NL Championship Series. Both series in the American League have yet to be finished. Show your support for your favorite teams by keeping up with their season pages! |
-- jj137 (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I un-blocked this user, but do not know how to cancel the category tag. Bearian (talk) 19:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Webkinzman
Per Your blocking of Webkinzman, I just wanted to point out that virtually every edit he has made since coming off his block has been of unsourced material. It's at a level that I would normally pass by if he hadn't been previously blocked, but I thought it was worth calling to your attention.—Kww(talk) 15:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- And I think he made this anon edit, following the same pattern as before. Like the previous anon edits, this one was made from an IP in Regina, Saskatchewan. When I have more time I may ask for a checkuser, but you might be able to get things done faster. This guy apparently will not stop until he gets an indef block. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 16:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I can go through AFD if I must, but I will point out that you deleted the subject artist as an article created by a banned user, the article was originally created by Usercreate, a blocked sock of Soccermeko, and the remaining edits have been trivial formatting changes, edits by other socks of Soccermeko that were rolled back, deletion of links to other articles that were deleted, and removal of images that violated NFCC. All told, I think this is a speedy candidate, but probably just a little too complex of one for me to just throw a "speedy" tag on it and hope the admin that notices it takes the time to understand just why it qualifies.—Kww(talk) 21:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I notice that you speedy G5ed this article yesterday. Are you certain that this one was created by Soccermeko? Looking back through the deleted edits, the history goes all the way back to July 2006 and appears to have been created by a user with no block log entries who hasn't been active since August 2006 and appears, in terms of editing pattern and writing style to be unrelated to our persistent friend. Is there something obvious that I'm missing here? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Noticed this, and, while I can't look at deleted contributions, I think KSB is right. I think the Discography article (see above discussion) is a speedy candidate, but the Kierra Sheard article itself was legitimate.—Kww(talk) 17:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yep, we'd have to go back nearly a year to find the last SM-free version - but yeah, I think that the main article should be undeleted. Unless there's a good reason why it shouldn't be, of course... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Went through the article, and found just a few bits contributed by Soccermeko that had been missed. He slipped up this time, and now I know that the 70.208.*.* addresses are also him. So, now I have two questions:
- The rangeblocks we have up against his 4.154 and 4.129 addresses are due to expire in two weeks. Think we should extend them? 70.208 looks to be a huge Verizon Wireless block, so I'll have to dig through and see the contribution level.
- Can either you or Kurt take care of her discography, or should I just tag it and let a random admin catch it?
- —Kww(talk) 20:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Went through the article, and found just a few bits contributed by Soccermeko that had been missed. He slipped up this time, and now I know that the 70.208.*.* addresses are also him. So, now I have two questions:
- Yep, we'd have to go back nearly a year to find the last SM-free version - but yeah, I think that the main article should be undeleted. Unless there's a good reason why it shouldn't be, of course... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Deleted the discography. I've left the redlinks in case someone wishes to recreate it. As for rangeblocks, It's really not my area of experience. I'm not going to mess with those because I'll probably end up blocking tens of thousands of innocent people by mistake... ;) You might want to take that to ANI. Or you could just let them expire and see if he comes back using that range - reverting and reblocking is simple enough. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Another smelly sock from a well known foot
Recently came across User:Irina_Spalko, who appears to be another sock of User:Grawp. Either way, the user has been making a bunch of pagemoves (link) for no apparent reason other than vandalism, while referencing Grawp.--Terrillja (talk) 03:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)