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Louis Zorich

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I have demonstrated that Louis Zorich is Croatian American, that he is the uncle of NFL player Chris Zorich, and that Chris Zorich is unquestionably Croatian American. All of this information is available on the web. His parents baptised him and his sister Zora Zorich at St. Jerome's Croatian Church in Chicago, again evidenced on the web and which I have previously cited. It is therefore not the position of the editor's to arbitrarily impose upon them the nationality "Yugoslavian." Furthermore, Yugoslavia did not exist until 1919, so unless you can prove that Louis Zorich's parents immigrated to the United States after 1919, you cannot write that they were "Yugoslavian" immigrants at the time of their arrival in the United States. You must write that they were Croatian, or else that they were "Austro-Hungarian" immigrants, as Croatia was part of Austria-Hungary until 1919.

Accordingly, please advise what further proof you need, as it is unfair that you are denying in the article a basic, verifiable fact that Louis Zorich's parents considered themselves Croatian-Americans. Grabovcan (talk) 01:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I am not seeing that clearly verified in reliable citations, that is what we need, clear assertion of this claim in WP:RS his parents when born prior to 1919? were in Yugoslavia so that includes everyone. If you show it is reliable citations I will add it myself. If he is the uncle of Chris Zorich we should have sources for that, it is the supporting reliable citations we need . Off2riorob (talk) 02:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is what I have posted previously:

Louis Zorich is Croatian American, not Serbian American. He is the brother of Zora Zorich and the uncle of former NFL and Notre Dame football player Chris Zorich. For more on Louis, Zora and Chris's Croatian roots, Google them or see the following obituary for Zora following her death: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-4034420.html For more on the familial relationship between Zora Zorich, Chris Zorich and Louis Zorich, see the People magazine article here: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20114272,00.html. That fact that Zora Zorich, Louis Zorich's sister, was Croatian can also be found here: http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2009/02/03/the-chris-zorich-story/

Note that St. Jerome's Church is Croatian at www.stjeromecroatian.org. Also, Chris Zorich (Louis's nephew) is very proud of his Croatian roots. See http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9956/1/Croatians-of-Chicagoland-book-set-to-launch-May-17-2010.html

Although there is nothing on the web specifically mentioning Louis Zorich's Croatian background, can we not agree that if his sister and nephew are quite clearly Croatian-American, that logic dictates that Louis is as well?

Thanks, I will look at that in the next few hours, if you could direct me to it, is there a direct reliable quote the asserts Zora is Louis's sister? Off2riorob (talk) 12:57, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• - Just to further confuse the issue L0uis is also been added to the List of Serbs
• note - I removed him from there as uncited. Off2riorob (talk) 16:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• - Chris Zorich is half Croatian and half African American - his mother was therefore a Croatian - Zora Zorich http://www.chriszorich.org/biography/ - Zora's sister in law was Olympia Dukakis - http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4034185.html - Sometimes Chris Zorich's Uncle Louis and his Aunt Olympia--Olympia Dukakis helped pay the rent http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-12/sports/sp-2728_1_chris-zorich ... so Zora is the sister of Louis making Louis Zorich Croatian. .... Off2riorob (talk) 16:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hi, thanks for all your input to get this cleared up once and for all , I have put the claim together and asked at the BLP noticeboard here - Please comment there if I have missed anything out, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

continued

Hi, thanks for your help on the Louis Zorich issue, but there does not seem to be any response from the editors on the board you posted to. What do I do next? Many thanks. Grabovcan (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I got the feeling that the vagueness of the claim was the reason for the lack of replies, as john is and his sister is then frank is .. at wiki it is really required a simple clear reliable support for such claims..I will think of someone involved in Balkan topic and ask them for us. Off2riorob (talk) 21:43, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I did ask a user, they also mentioned WP:OR ans WP:SYNTHESIS - Although I have accepted the connection I think a clearer statement will need to be found before inclusion. Off2riorob (talk) 11:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)