User talk:Gismo123123123

March 2021

Hello, I'm Tbhotch. Your recent edit(s) to the page Tajikistan appear to have added incorrect information, so they have been removed for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Tbhotch, I think that Amir Kulal is Persian, because he and his tribe were comming from the Region Bukhara, where the big majority speaks and spoke Persian (Tajiki) for centuries. The majority there are Tajiks. And his last name is "Kulal", a Persian word, which means litteraly "pot" oder "potter".

I'm sorry if I was incorrect, it just made more sense to me, I hope you can explain to why he was Turkic if you got further knowledge about this topic :)

I just hadn't found any evidence that he could be Turkic heritage. Gismo123123123 (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you make changes here, you have to justify them by citing a reliable source. However, Kulal is not related to this, which is a deliberate factual error. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing.

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16:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Final warning

If you revert one more time on the Persians page, I will report you to ANI. You've violated WP:BRD, WP:CON, WP:OR and WP:WAR on numerous occassions. - LouisAragon (talk) 11:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

for what reason?, I think I've explained very clearly what the Term Tajik means in the Description and I have put a reference as well. So we are not allowed to explain anymore? When Copenhagen would suddenly became an independent City-State, the people of that State would be refered to as Copenhagens, but they would be also Danish, what is so hard about it to understand, I don't get it. The reference says: Tajiks are easter-Persian, what's wrong with that? Gismo123123123 (talk) 11:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In modern-day nomenclature, Tajiks are "not" referred to as Persians. Modern-day reliable sources only use the word "Persians" to refer to a fraction of the population of Iran (Persia pre-1935), as unfortunate as it might be. What you are doing is persistently spreading original research, whilst ignoring numerous other important WP polciies, and it is therefore becoming WP:CIR. - LouisAragon (talk) 11:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The quote "...they were the basis for the emergence and gradual consolidation of what became an Eastern Persian-Tajik ethnic identity." does not equal "modern-day Tajiks = Persians". - LouisAragon (talk) 11:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ok i agree with you, but from a logical standpoint it not so important what governments say, but what the historical facts tell. i.e. North and South Koreans are called by the Western World Korean, although North Koreans call themselves "Choson" and South Koreans "Hangukae".

i wont revert anything anymore but please acknowledge that the persian-tajik difference is the same as my example. Gismo123123123 (talk) 11:29, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

we can always divide people into subgroups, like governments always do. (i.e. former Yugoslavia now Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, although they speak the same language).

But in my opinion there should be always a necessity for doing so. Yes Tajiks only live in Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc. but geneticly they are an ethnic group with iranian persians, especially tajiks across the Afghan-Iranian border. Gismo123123123 (talk) 12:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The third alinea of the lede thoroughly explains the matter, while fully adhering to WP:VER, WP:RS and WP:DUE:

In contemporary terminology, people of Persian heritage native specifically to present-day Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan are referred to as Tajiks, whereas those in the Caucasus (primarily in the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian federal subject of Dagestan), albeit heavily assimilated, are referred to as Tats.[18][19] However, historically, the terms Tajik and Tat were used as synonymous and interchangeable with Persian.[18] Many influential Persian figures hailed from outside Iran's present-day borders to the northeast in Central Asia and Afghanistan and to a lesser extent to the northwest in the Caucasus proper.[20][21] In historical contexts, especially in English, "Persians" may be defined more loosely to cover all subjects of the ancient Persian polities, regardless of ethnic background.

We're done here.

- LouisAragon (talk) 12:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi HistoryofIran,

one of my references is from a Dictionary (https://www.lexico.com/definition/persian), which defines a Persian as: "A native or inhabitant of ancient or modern Persia (or Iran), or a person of Persian descent".

Since Tajiks, for example, are from Persian descent, which even this Wikipedia page says, could you please explain why Tajiks, Tats, Parsis can't be referred to as Persian people?

Gismo123123123 (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because a dictionary is not reliable for this type of stuff. Please read WP:RS and WP:OR. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]