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Box office number

Thanks! I will combine the box office grossings at the end of the run. Stormedelf (talk) 00:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just combine all the grossings like the american films listed in USD.Stormedelf (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Film websites

Hello, I chose douban over mtime simply because of cast sorting is different on both websites. For example Girls

http://movie.mtime.com/209401/fullcredits.html mtime lists Fiona Sit as first billed
http://movie.douban.com/subject/25777330 douban lists Ivy Chen as first billed and is based off of posters http://img5.douban.com/view/photo/raw/public/p2188986448.jpg

So I find douban more accurate than mtime because of the poster listings. Stormedelf (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Highest-grossing films

hello, i cleaned up the article a bit. Stormedelf (talk) 02:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reason why Forever Young did bad was due to Tiny Times 3 released the previous day thus the same audience (young adults) has to choose between the two. As for Hollywood Adventures, my guess is the poor reception on the film. As for why Monster Hunt, Jian Bing Man and Monkey King: Hero Is Back did good business is due to wide appeal similar to Hollywood Adventures except better reception.

Now about this domestic protection period, it was implemented so local films can flourish without competing against blockbuster (US100m+) Hollywood films. I believe the domestic protection period did play a significant role in improving the Chinese box office grossing but how much i dont know. My guess is if Hollywood films were to compete against the current 3 Chinese films, Hollywood films would still win everytime while Chinese films will maybe gross 100m less than the current amount. Shaun the Sheep Movie and The Imitation Game are both non-blockbluster films so they don't apply to the domestic protection period. Stormedelf (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephen Chow's Mermaid is dubbed in both Mandarin and Cantonese

While I do not have the exact list, in U.S., some cinemas have mandarin-dubbed; due to the language policy of Singapore government, as usual, all imported Cantonese films would be re-dubbed in Mandarin; in Malaysia, Hong Kong, and Macau, the audience watch the Cantonese-dubbed version. In Mainland China, most audience watch the mandarin-dubbed version, due to the fact of the status of Mandarin as the lingua franca.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2n4NE_yhI

3. http://www.skypost.hk/column/文雋/007002001009/《美人魚》的廣東配音/206674

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Singapore#Chinese_varieties_in_local_films Thljcl (talk) 04:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You have edited the Chinese version of Stephen Chow's Mermaid, so I presumed that you do know Chinese, do you not?Thljcl (talk) 04:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thljcl: We only list the "original" language, not the "dubbed" language. Screen International (http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/mermaid-review/5100027.article?blocktitle=Latest-Reviews&contentID=592) explicitly stated that The Mermaid was "filmed in Mandarin as (opposed to the writer-director’s native Cantonese)", meaning that the film was "made" in Mandarin. And according to the the Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/film-tv/article/1911884/film-review-mermaid-stephen-chows-environmental-morality-tale), it stated "The film’s Hong Kong version features badly dubbed Cantonese that can be distracting for local viewers". That means that the Cantonese version was "dubbed", and it is not the original language. And the source you showed above (http://stephenchowsthemermaid.com/stephen-chows-the-mermaid-3/) actually stated this: "Mandarin Language With English and Chinese Sub Titles".

Also, even sources such as Hong Kong Movie Database [1] and Hong Kong Cinemagic [2] showed the film's original language is Mandarin, so how obvious can it be?

And to be further technical, The British Odeon Cinemas http://www.odeon.co.uk/films/the_mermaid_sfl_subtitled_foreign_language/16561/, the American Cinemark Theatres http://www.cinemark.com/mei-ren-yu-(the-mermaid).aspx, and the Canadian Cineplex cinemas http://www.cineplex.com/Movie/mei-ren-yu-the-mermaid-mandarin-wchinese-english-st, all listed the film's language as Mandarin (the film was released in the U.S., Canada and UK this weekend, that's why I'm showing you this). It all goes to show you that Mandarin is the actual language. Simply put, if this movie was made in this language, then that's what the language would be.--Getareu8 (talk) 05:21, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as original language for a Chinese film. Because both mandarin and Cantonese are dubbed in studio. Thljcl (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a counterexample, you read this review. http://variety.com/2016/film/asia/the-mermaid-review-stephen-chow-1201701757/ Or, you can say both mandarin and Cantonese are original language. Thljcl (talk) 07:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike U.S. TV series, if you ever watched Chinese (mainland) dramas, most of the voice actors are different from the actors you saw on TV. It's a common practice for Hong Kong film as well. It's mostly for budget saving. Thljcl (talk) 07:32, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That Variety review was "reviewed" in Hong Kong, notice the review said "Reviewed at AMC Pacific Place, Hong Kong"; it means the critic saw the Hong Kong version. Anyhow, Screen International explicitly stated that it was "filmed in Mandarin as (opposed to the writer-director’s native Cantonese)".--Getareu8 (talk) 07:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the YouTube link that I used as the source is uploaded by Sony Pictures, which is the distributor for the Mermaid. I suppose that means that it is a credible source. It's common for a Hong Kong film studio to release the films in Cantonese with another voice actors, if the actors cannot speak Cantonese. Either way, their voices are recorded in studios. Thljcl (talk) 07:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And I can show you movie reviews from Malaysia (and other areas that have the Cantonese dubbed version) that mentioned even though they saw the Cantonese version, the original version of the film is in Mandarin. This review from Malaysia http://www.caseymoviemania.com/2016/02/review-mermaid-2016.html explicitly stated "Although the movie shown in Malaysia isn't the original Mandarin version but Cantonese version".--Getareu8 (talk) 07:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as a compromise, let's put a (dubbed) after Cantonese. Would you accept it then? It's certainly not going to be dubbed in other languages, perhaps only with subtitles with their native language?Thljcl (talk) 07:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We don't put dubbed language in infobox. Can you imagine if I put "Mandarin (dubbed)" in movies like Infernal Affairs, even though there exist a Mandarin dubbed version? If this movie was "made" and "filmed" in this language (supported by many many reputable sources), then that's what we are going to list. I mean did you even think about this question: if Mermaid was really in Cantonese, then why would United States, United Kingdom, Canada, etc. show this movie in Mandarin, not Cantonese? Did these countries show Ip Man, Ip Man 2, Ip Man 3 in Mandarin, even though in China they were shown in Mandarin? No, because those movies were actually in Cantonese. So in America, Ip Man films were shown in Cantonese.--Getareu8 (talk) 07:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is not actually true. the Bruce Lee films such as The Big Boss were called mandarin film. Bruce Lee did not even speak mandarin. The Cantonese voice was not his either. Nowadays, people in Hong Kong most likely watch Bruce Lee films in Cantonese. Thljcl (talk) 07:55, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's also a misconception that U.S. imported the film in original language. Because the lingua franca for Chinese Malaysian community is actually Mandarin, not Cantonese. They learn Mandarin in school while learning Cantonese from friends and family or TV. In other word, there is no need to import Cantonese version to Malaysia. Yet, the audience in Malaysia are watching the Cantonese version. In fact, the Chinese online encyclopedia Baidu Baike (http://baike.baidu.com/subview/9514/15201085.htm) explicitly states that it was made in both languages. Thljcl (talk) 07:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What I say is that Hong Kong and Malaysian audience are used to watch Stephen Chow's films in Cantonese. It's a marketing decision. Thljcl (talk) 08:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since it is now on the talk page, I say do not add anymore until we get consensus on this issue.--Getareu8 (talk) 08:03, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re:The Mermaid's language

Seems like most sources that you linked are pointing towards Mandarin as the primary language so I would list only that. Also the production companies have it as HK-China co-production based on Variety and Hollywood Reporter reviews. Stormedelf (talk) 08:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Mermaid poster

It's the same person with different ip's. Stormedelf (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Romance on Lushan Mountain

Hi. I've noticed this edit you made, adding Romance on Lushan Mountain, with 400 million. I find this quite surprising, since that's a lot more than Gone With the Wind. I can't quite make out whether the source (with Google Translate) is referring to 400 million at the box office, or if it includes home video or television? And do you have anymore sources on it? Thanks. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The source said something like, 100 million yuan first week, 400 million admission... You have to remember that, a number of Chinese films from the 1970s and 80s does have extremely high reported admission, whether they were valid by contemporary standard or not, I'm not sure. According to this Tencent article [3], which is talking about another Chinese film from 1981 roughly called in English "Mysterious Buddha" (Douban page), movie ticket prices back then were extremely cheap, and that "Buddha" film grossed equivalent to 20 billion yuan in 2018 (Wolf Warrior 2 made 5.68 billion yuan). The Chinese during the 70s and 80s were avid movie goers.

I noticed that you changed the Sholay number to 250 million based on this source [4], in which the article said "with 25 crore people watching it over the years". That is equally vague and unclear.--Getareu8 (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for the clarification. Regarding my own edit, the source is from 1985, which was long before it was released on video or TV (not to mention India had a low market penetration of TVs and video players back then), so it's clearly referring to the box office (where ticket prices were also very cheap). I was asking because your source is from 2017, so I needed some clarification that it's referring to box office admissions, rather than video/TV/online. By the way, do you have any Chinese sources for older China box office numbers of other films? For example, China admission numbers for older Chinese movies, or Hong Kong movies (such as Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan flicks), Indian movies (such as Awaara or Caravan), Japanese movies (such as anime), or Hollywood movies? Thanks. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The excerpt/part from that source I used to cite for Romance on Lushan Mountain's admission is "1980年的《庐山恋》，上映一周票房过亿元，观影人次超过四亿". The term "观影人次" from that source is talking about theatrical admission. For example, you can see from this article http://www.chyxx.com/industry/201901/705193.html, which is about 2018 national movie attendance, the term "观影人次" is specifically about admission in theaters (going to movies).--Getareu8 (talk) 01:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi sorry to disturb you but I think we may need to discuss this further. The source you used to replace the ones I added merely says "It is estimated that at least 400 million Chinese watched the film more than once" and it also doesn't directly mention that that is in box office admissions. Also, Kinopoisk does not mention a Soviet release date in its releases section and that flag could very well be a Chinese flag icon not a Soviet. Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 21:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is completely fine to remove the Kinopoisk source for the film. Also, I did not add or replace with any new sources, I simply returned it back to the previous version. That 800 million is such an extreme number it would need explicitly stated sources to prove that it is for actual box office admission. --Getareu8 (talk) 22:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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