User talk:Don Ilagan24

On linking

Please do not pipelink. If you think the article name is wrong, initiate an WP:RM. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Howard! The reason that I pipelink is to avoid confusion among the names. Some names, such as Fernando Lopez, Gil Puyat, etc should have suffixes such as Sr, Jr, III, etc, because they have son(s) and/or relatives that have the same name and are prominent people themselves. This is to avoid confusion Don Ilagan24 (talk) 08:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Just like what I said, if you think these are wrong and cause confusion, initiate an WP:RM. We have article names for a reason, for us to use it with no pipelinks for almost all instances. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Your pipelinks even bring in more confusion, TBH. "Is 'Ferdinand Emmanuel E. Marcos Sr' the person who I think he is?" or is a relative of Ferdinand Marcos I never knew about? Would you actually name the first president Marcos under that article name? Howard the Duck (talk) 18:22, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Currently, there are two (2) Ferdinand Marcoses. First is Ferdinand Marcos Sr, who became Philippine president from 1965 to 1986, and Ferdinand Marcos Jr, who is the current Philippine president. Hence, we need to add suffixes to their names to avoid mixing up Don Ilagan24 (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Please read and understand WP:AT. The older Marcos is known as plain old "Ferdinand Marcos", while the younger one is "Bongbong Marcos". The older one, while may be suffixed with "Sr.", is rarely done so, while the younger one, if we're using his birth name, always has "Jr." (some foreign sources don't, though). If it is unsuffixed, it's almost always the older one, and this is universally done by local sources. The same is true with the other people from the older generation, while the younger ones always have "Jr." or we use nicknames. Again, if you think we'd have to use "Ferdinand Marcos Sr.", please do initiate an WP:RM. Pipelinking presents more problems and solutions, and does introduce more levels of confusion: "is this the correct article I ended up at?" Howard the Duck (talk) 03:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Sources for 1941 Senatorial/Presidential, 1984 Parliamentary Elections

Hello. Thank you for your contributions to historical Philippine election articles, I really appreciate it. Nevertheless, I'd like to ask what were the specific sources (newspaper dates, specific COMELEC files and offices, etc.) for the 1941 Senatorial/Presidential elections and the 1984 Parliamentary election. Did they come with more detailed data (municipal/provincial for 1941 especially) I've had trouble getting data for these years for further research. Thank you. Timh ph (talk) 03:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I have obtained those data from the old newspaper editions stored at the Philippine National Library. I can visit it again to obtain data about municipal / provincial election results for 1941, though it might be incomplete as well, due to the limited newspapers available, most were destroyed in World War 2. As for 1984, no data for municipal / provincial, as the elections were held for the positions for the Regular Batasang Pambansa only, no local elections held. Hope this helps. Thank you! Don Ilagan24 (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

If you want, if you're currently live here in the Philippines, we can meet personally and visit the Philippine National Library together, so we can jointly search for those information. I would be more than happy to work with you, sir / ma'am Don Ilagan24 (talk) 03:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I should really check the other newspapers in the National Library, I was only able to check The Tribune back then.

On the results for the 1984 Batasang Pambansa Elections, I meant if there were any more detailed breakdowns of the result. Also, did the data for this also come from the COMELEC or from another source?

I’ve been trying to compile historical election data for the past year or so, so this is highly appreciated.

Thank you. Timh ph (talk) 08:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, to clarify, when I meant municipal/provincial data for 1941 — I meant detailed breakdowns of the Presidential/VP result per province or municipality. I was able to retrieve copies of Presidential/VP results by municipality before Martial Law except 1941. Timh ph (talk) 08:44, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

There were no available records of the presidential and vice presidential results per province. Those might be destroyed during the war Don Ilagan24 (talk) 09:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

No, just the results that I have added. There were no available detailed results Don Ilagan24 (talk) 09:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Alright, did you request some of it from the Comelec or from other sources as well? Thanks a lot. Timh ph (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, COMELEC has responded, but I was given few available data, prompting me to look for other sources such as the National Library Don Ilagan24 (talk) 13:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

That's quite interesting that the COMELEC still has some older data as most supposedly burned down in 2007. If its possible, could it be possible to request for copies of the original COMELEC documents that were utilized? You could send it to my email at [email protected]. Timh ph (talk) 15:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

STOP PIPE LINKING

Please. Jose Estrada? Come on. Again, if you think the article title is wrong, initiate an WP:RM. We have article titles for a reason. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been warned about this before. Any more similar edits linking to Francis Joseph Escudero when Francis Escudero will be treated as vandalism and will be reported to the relevant authorities. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Jinggoy's full name is Jose Estrada Jr. It is more proper to put the candidates' full names in the lists. I hope this could be granted Don Ilagan24 (talk) 14:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, consistency must be maintained in the articles. One example is Richard "Dick" Gordon. In some election results here, he was listed as Richard Gordon, yet in some. he's listed as "Dick Gordon". Where is the consistency there? Don Ilagan24 (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

No. It's more proper to use the Wikipedia article title, because that's why those exist. More people will be confused seeing "Jose Estrada Jr." Is that Jinggoy? I thought Erap's name is "Joseph"? Shouldn't it be "Joseph Estrada Jr." Or isn't Erap's real name "Ejercito"? So should it be "Joseph Ejercito Jr."? Where did "Jose Estrada Jr." come from? Jinggoy's latest COC simply uses... gasp... his actual Wikipedia article name of "Jinggoy Estrada"! Is "Jose Estrada Jr." made up? By who? Even Jinggoy follows Wikipedia conventions!

For Richard "Dick" Gordon, we actually had lengthy discussion about it; I actually asked for it to be moved to "Richard Gordon (politician)". We arrived at "Dick Gordon (politician)". We abide with WP:CONSENSUS, so we use "Dick Gordon" in these lists, not just on what you (or I, as we had the same idea on how this guy should be named) feel is "proper". I shall be reverting your changes, and add warnings to your talk page. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

Hello, I'm Howard the Duck. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Template:2013 Philippine Senate election results have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Stop being disruptive. Other edits had the template pointing to Jose Estrada that was unhelpful. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the feedback. I would like to inform you though that I am not merely experimenting, I am adding important information. Don Ilagan24 (talk) 14:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely not. You are being disruptive. Please follow consensus, and use Wikipedia article names, or build consensus yourself and ask those articles to be moved. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Template:2013 Philippine Senate election results. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Howard, good day!

I felt obligated to respectfully inform you of the following changes for the 2013 Philippine Senate election:

1. Added "Lakas-CMD" to coalition listings for some candidates, as the Lakas-CMD party at the time endorsed around 12 to 14 senatorial candidates, just like what the Makabayan Coalition did. Lakas-CMD was not part of UNA or Team PNoy at the time, so they endorsed some UNA candidates, some Team PNoy candidates, and one (1) independent candidates as well (Eddie Villanueva). Since Makabayan was listed here endorsing guest candidates, I did that to Lakas-CMD as well.

2. Added "Makabayan" to coalition listings of six (6) candidates, as they were listed as guest candidates of Makabayan, as listed in the same article.

3. Removed "Not Affiliated" for independent candidates not listed under the two (2) main coalitions, just like what you guys did for independent candidates for the 2019 and 2022 Philippine senatorial elections.

For the 2010 Philippine senate elections, I have added the "Coalition" column, as some of the candidates are listed under more than one (1) Presidential-Vice Presidential tickets. For example, Ramon "Bong" Revilla Jr is not only a candidate of Lakas-Kampi lineup of Gibo Teodoro and Edu Manzano, he was also a candidate under Nacionalista Party of Manny Villar and Loren Legarda, and Pwersa ng Masang Pilipino lineup of Joseph Estrada and Jejomar Binay.

For the 2016 Philippine senate elections, I have also added the "Coalition" column, just like what you guys did for the 2022 Philippine senate election, as some of the candidates are listed under more than one (1) Presidential-Vice Presidential tickets. An excellent example is Maria Susana "Toots" Ople, as she was not only a candidate of the Partido Galing at Puso of Grace Poe and Chiz Escudero, she was also a candidate under Talino at ProgresiBong Bukas (Santiago-Marcos), United Nationalist Alliance (Binay-Honasan), Tapang at Malasakit Coalition (Duterte-Cayetano), and Partido ng Manggagawa at Magsasaka (Señeres).

The above-mentioned additional pieces of information are not meant to disrupt, distort or contradict the prior information listed in those articles. I have added those information to improve the accuracy of the information therein. Rest assured that I no longer did pipe linking this time.

I really do hope that these changes be approved and included in the revised versions of each page. Thank you very much. Don Ilagan24 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

For 2013 elections:

1. Lakas CMD endorsed but did not have an actual slate to speak of.
2. Sure. I've reverted edits where you added Makabayan listings but I'd restore that.
3. Sure. I'd remove that as well.

For 2010 and 2013 elections:

• There were no coalitions like UniTeam to speak of in 2010. That's WP:OR at the very least.
• It's a sure bet 0/100 will remember the Santiago-Marcos ticket as the "Talino at ProgresiBong Bukas". Where is this even coming from. I don't remember WP:RS calling them this.

Also, you still did pipelink personal names. Now, I have no issue with you reverting my edits and re-adding coalitions for 2010 and 2016, but if you do see the mess that's the 2022 template, I don't think it's a good idea, but again, I won't revert if you do not pipelink personal names. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Howard! That sounds good. I will re-add the coalitions for 2010 and 2016, and I promise that I won't be pipelinking the personal names Thanks! Don Ilagan24 (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Re: 2016 -- the Duterte-Cayetano senatorial ticket was dissolved prior to election day. I suggest on not adding that. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Howard! May I add it anyway? They endorsed 11 guest candidates, plus their "official" candidate, Sandra Cam. Don Ilagan24 (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

No, because there was no ticket to speak of on election day. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok then :) Don Ilagan24 (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Howard! Someone added the Tapang at Malasakit senatorial lineup as well as Talino at ProgresiBong Bukas lineup in the 2016 Philippine general election. It was not me. I saw it a few months ago and that's my basis for asking you if that may be added to the election tally table as well Don Ilagan24 (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

That's probably okay, but the "tickets" on the actual results section has to be based on WP:RS. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

So may I add them or not, sir? Don Ilagan24 (talk) 21:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I would not recommend on the results template as on election day the "ticket" did not exist. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

ok sir :) Don Ilagan24 (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Template:2013 Philippine Senate election results, you may be blocked from editing. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Template:2016 Philippine Senate election results. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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