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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 2024[edit]

Hello Dm20476. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Infinigate Group, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Dm20476. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Dm20476|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DoubleGrazing,

I'm not compensated for this edits. I was part of Infinigate in the past and I felt that a short history of Infinigate in Wikipedia is worthwhile for the world community.

I understand your concerns that Wikipedia should be not used as a marketing platform. However, the text of Infinigate doesn’t seem to me an extensive marketing text. At least not more than for example the text about Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft

Can you please let me know which part of the text you feel is not appropriate?

Thanks a lot. Dm20476 (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. Even if you're not currently employed, or otherwise compensated, by this business, you still should declare a general conflict of interest (COI) as an ex-employee (or whatever being "part of Infinigate" means, exactly). I will post a separate message below with info and advice on COI.

Articles on businesses should be composed by summarising what independent and reliable secondary sources have said about them. This draft cites no such source, which means this is essentially the business, directly or indirectly, telling the world about itself, which is pretty much the definition of promotion; see WP:YESPROMO.

Not only that, but the draft content and tone is quite promotional throughout, esp. the 'Story' section (which makes up the bulk of the draft). Expressions like "The two founders recognized the potential of the Internet. Their goal was to help companies take full advantage of the possibilities of the digital age." and "had a vision of how they could meet the growing need for Internet solutions in the emerging digital era. Their shared passion for innovation and technology drove them to create Internet2000" is just pure marketing blurb which has no place in an encyclopaedia. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DoubleGrazing,

Thanks for the hint. I made some changes on the text based on your suggestions. Can you please check if the text fits better.

Thanks a lot. Dm20476 (talk) 13:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Infinigate Group (March 7)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Zero evidence of notability, primary sources and routine business reporting do not contribute towards notability per WP:NCORP.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Infinigate Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dm20476! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Hello, Dm20476. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Infinigate Group (March 8)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Fancy Refrigerator was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The entirety of the section “story” reads like an advertisement. Puff words and phrases like “internationally recognized,” “ high-quality products,” and “comprehensive service” are not appropriate. Please see to it that the section is removed or wholly revised.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Infinigate Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 13:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Francy Refrigerator,

Thanks for the input. I changed the text according to your comments.

Please let me know if there are some other topics that need to be changed.

Regards Dm20476 (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Infinigate Group (March 9)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Shewasafairy was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

thank you for the improvements in terms of promotional wording, but the coverage is still WP:ROUTINE. channelweb doesn't appear to be WP:RELIABLE, needs better sourcing.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Infinigate Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

She was ^afairy 01:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ‪Shewasafairy,

Thanks for your feedback. I did read WP:ROUTINE as well as RP:RELIABLE but it didn't really help in understanding what should be changed in the text about Infinigate. It is the story of an European startup company with meanwhile international footprint and today close to 2000 employees and way above 20'000 partner companies. It is not breaking news but I feel it has a certain relevance.

In addition I feel the coverage from the press is pretty good (see references). It is even larger if I would link the German speaking press.

By the way, when I read for example the Wikipedia entry of Microsoft it doesn't seem to me much different the way the text of Infinigate is written.

However, I made some additional changes to reduce the "routine".

It would be great if you could give me some concrete hints in what you expect to be changed in the text.

Thanks a lot. Dm20476 (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Infinigate Group (March 10)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Johannes Maximilian were:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Infinigate Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 08:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Johannes,

I understand that from your point of view the article doesn't fit the Wikipedia rules. But I didn't see any message from your side which part is not o.k. However, I let chatGPT rewrite the text by asking to make it Wikipedia compatible :-) I hope this helps. Dm20476 (talk) 11:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Infinigate Group has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Infinigate Group. Thanks! Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 07:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Johannes,

First of all, I don't get paid in any way for this text. I was earlier part of Infinigate and thought that at least the basic history of Infinigate should be mentioned in Wikipedia. The written text doesn't seem to me a marketing text anymore, only facts.

However, if your view is the way of measurement, then a lot of other companies mentioned in Wikipedia such as Microsoft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft) or Adobe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Inc.) should be deleted. Their texts look pretty similar to the text of Infinigate. However, I don't think any of those text should be deleted. But neither should Infinigate.

What can I do to convince you? Dm20476 (talk) 09:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether you're being paid or not (and I'm happy to accept your assurances that you're not), you still have a conflict of interest when writing about your ex-employer. As advised earlier, please disclose your COI.

While the draft is supported only or mainly by primary sources, including ones close to the subject, it is by definition promotional, because it is essentially the organisation 'spreading awareness' of itself; see WP:YESPROMO. Promotional editing is a much broader concept than marketing, let alone advertising.

And finally, other articles that may exist out there have no bearing on whether this draft can be accepted or not; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you have identified issues with existing articles, you're welcome to improve them, or where this isn't possible, initiate deletion proceedings. The existence of other problematic articles is no reason to create more of the same. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok got it.

Thanks Dm20476 (talk) 10:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]