User talk:Brewcrewer/Archives/2008/May

Hema Sinha

Indeed, passionate discussion too TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 02:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: I think you're Twinkle went haywire

Yes, I did make some blunders yesterday. I received 4 of such messages yesterday! Sorry. Will be more careful next time. Thanks for notifying. Good day!!  S3000  ☎ 09:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Jewish question

Appreciate your help very much. I think I'll take a break now. But just to let you know, it's really just a at the moment {{stub}}. Notice that the article has been in limbo for a while. I guess I'm in the process reviving it, and hope to bring it the life it requires. Cheers! --Ludvikus (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Jewish question (disambiguation)

You did a great job. But I think it's all destroyed by that Drive by/Fly by Hunter. I'm fed up. I leave it to you. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol. I'll try. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You are neet. It's a pleasure to look at your page! --Ludvikus (talk) 02:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

thank you!--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) A Wikipedian requests proof. It looks like you're the expert. Have any? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The Final Solution

You should get a kick out of this one. It aint what you think. And it's no joke. I just put it up for disambiguation. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Final Solution (disambiguation)

This page is very badly in need of your heavy-duty pruning services. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Tireless/Shmireless. It's thanx to Wikipedians like yourself that Wikipedia has a chance of really becoming a wonderful place one day - and hopefully not in the too distant future. You make me feel like Wikipedia is truly on the move in Cyberspace ! --Ludvikus (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I would give you a hug, but my computer might break. Thanks!--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sig testing

Thoughts? TravellingCari|_Speaketh! 02:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

and again, didn't like that against a non-white background TravellingCari _Speaketh! 02:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

If I wouldn't like you, I would be dishonest with you and tell you that I like it. Imo, the sig implies cockiness. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ... changing. It felt too stuffy for me too. I actually know what I want to do, just need to find someone who has it and borrow the code Come play with ^{the traveller} 02:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

didn't like that one either. Don't worry Cari ^{Fellow travellers} 02:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

promise I'll stop orange barring you ;) _{TravellingCari} ^Souvenirs 02:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The second to last one ("fellow travelers") is my favorite so far. I think its cool. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I liked it but it appeared too small, may be font issue -- looks drastically different at home (Mac) v. Work (PC). I wish I could do song lyrics but the one in mind would be naughty "Raise a little hell" -- maybe Laugh 'til it hurts is OK but long _{TravellingCari} ^Souvenirs 03:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Listen, soon enough you'll probably have to change your sig again anyway. How many people already ripped off the latest one? :-) --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Never knew I was so damn popular 0--- this is it for tonight -- bed soon to get decent sleep for once _Cari ^{Fellow Travellers} 03:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

last one for real, let me know if you want me to delete this section, or you can just do it Talk to_Cari ^{the Busy Bee} 03:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Good one, but the red color is a bit awkward, it looks like a redlink. How about yellow, like a bee? In regard to your posts, I don't care, you can post as many sigs as you like, it doesn't cost me anything. If you want to delete it, I don't care either. But now that you mention it, would you know why my talkpage isn't self-archiving? Isn't it set up to self-archive 30-day old posts? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that was a red link at the time due to a bad link. I can't remember how to do colors so that they don't show as a bad formatting. Will ask Keeper if I think of it in the morning since he's multi-hued. Yeah the bot should have gotten the 3/4 ones from the top. I don't think the bot has run this weekend. If it doesn't go in the morning, I'll ask Misza on our behalves. Bed time now Talk to_Cari^{the Busy Bee} 04:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks as if the bot ran this AM :) Talk to_Cari^{the Busy Bee} 15:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed, thanks. There's some unsigned, and hence undated posts that are archive-eligible, but the bot doesn't take them. Would you, in your infinite wisdom know how to fix that?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

S. Kumarasamy

Dear Brewcrewer, I understand that I should expand the article's subject. Iam working and give me some time. --Logic riches (talk) 04:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. But you don't need a whole article to save it from speedy deletion. Just something, so that it meets the WP:STUB status. Just give us a sentence or two that tells us what he does. In any case, even if it is deleted, you can recreate it when you have the proper information prepared. best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your support and please keep in touch--Logic riches (talk) 07:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Revisionism

Can you help in the purely technical aspect of getting the above DAB page do its job? Please click on each item within. Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. But I don't get it, what's the point of clicking on each entry?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Btine

I replie. Btline (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

TO be honest, it is not that important. Technically, it is not a rail station, but a halt, which is different. Thanks for the advice! Btline (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Bit too speedy

Hi, it was pretty clear with Berkeley Algorithm that I was setting up an article to be edited by a new User to Wikipedia who has joined the Computer Science Project. Thanks to you his first editing experience is that of SPEEDY DELETION whilst he is working on the previously mentioned article and Cristian's algorithm. Please read around a bit before you slam a template like that on an article. MattOates (Ulti) (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Keratocephalus

Thank you so much for spotting that, I don't know where to burry my head... Acer (talk) 22:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. I've made far worse screw-ups around here. :-) --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

So is my school article getting deleted

so is st john brebeuf getting deleted? please don't, even if it is not notable enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.56.218 (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

replied here. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

please take another look

at the sourcing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toufiq Saber Muhammad Al Marwa’i this is more substantial than most of the previous articles on these men. DGG (talk) 09:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Rfb participation thanks

Hello, Brewcrewer.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. I especially wanted to thank you for your kind assessment of me at the discussion. If you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. Once again, thank you for your support. -- Avi (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Belated reply

Hey there, I'm afraid your note caught me at a decidedly inopportune moment (to put it mildly) -- as I was literally in surgery that morning, at the very time you were leaving your note. I sincerely hope that you don't usually have such spectacularly terrible timing! :)

As for your question, in general I think it's usually better to try one or two "test cases" before submitting a whole batch. As it happens, there's a CFD under way right now involving Swiss Americans -- probably a good place to try out your arguments. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 12:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I hope your surgery went well. Real-life caught up with me as well, and I was out for the last week. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That's my fault

Aye, Brewcrew. That's my fault that you didn't get notice of TCari's RfA. I do recall that you wanted to co-nom at one point. I was talking with TCari, your name came up as a possible co-nom (along with Rudget, an anonymous emailer that turned out to be DGG, and Wizardman. In the flurry that followed TCari finally accepting my offer to nom (something I've been doing for months), I completely forgot to visit your talkpage. Glad you were able to see it while live to support at least, and sorry 'bout the co-nom. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, no problem, but for the WP:RFB you better remember me. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If TCari is as good as I think she is, that should only be a few short years away :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See the reason I &hearts: you two is you keep me laughing. I've been offline to attend a work function and the long train and the first thing I did after dinner? Check my watchlist. I think what I like so far is that it seems all fair and balanced. Brew, welcome back. Haven't seen you online in a few days. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Seaways

but but it's *my* article ;) Seriously, thanks for the clean-up. I'm going to write the trail's article...eventually. Surprised it doesn't exist. Happy Wet Friday! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:People from São Carlos (city)

Say, I wonder if you might consider changing your comment in the CFD for Category:People from São Carlos (city) to support my alternate proposal to rename to Category:People from São Carlos, Brazil. This is identical to the proposal that you supported a couple of days ago for renaming of Category:Lilongwe to Category:Lilongwe, Malawi. Cgingold (talk) 01:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

That was my initial thought but then I thought it would be more appropiate to remane it Category:São Carlos, São Paulo (state), because the city, country can be awkward like Category:Springfield, United States. However, Lilongwe is the capital of Malawi so there it kind of makes sense to go city, country. Since Brazil is terra incognita for me, I left it, and figured that nom's proposal is better then nothing. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

you're bold, apparently....

look at my watchlist....odd _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

How can I look at your watchlist?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thought they were public. Anyway it's explained "Pages that have been changed since you last visited them are listed in bold." I don't like it -- visual clutter. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Pecunian Page

Dear Brewcrewer, I am the person who recreated the Peucinian page. I have now deleted everything but the bare, significant, cited historical facts, and I have shown, on the talk page, why it is crucial that this article not be deleted, as per Wikipedia's commitment to certain "Wikiprojects". I hope this meets your satisfactiion. Fezamingruitat (talk) 08:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC) I moved this from the user page _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

ok you're hired as my proof reader

here, etc. I was quite pleased with the mess I fixed in that article, I'm in clean-up mode :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I was actually afraid, I don't wanna mess with the gang's page. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL! I think I paid them better tribute with my version. And Norman Bodek is next, YUCK what a mess _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The protection

Heh, you're welcome for the protection. :) Acalamari 22:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Shane Harper

Mind if I merge the AfD for Shane Harper into the AfD for Nick 6 since they're related? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I would have, had I realized that it was up for afd. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Lilongwe

Hi Brewcrewer, I'm contacting all three of the editors who supported my proposal to rename Category:Lilongwe to Category:Lilongwe, Malawi. As you know, there has been fierce opposition to this proposal. However, an alternate solution has been suggested by User:roundhouse0, through the use of an existing nav-box template at the top of the page for Category:Capitals in Africa. Template:African capitals displays all of the capital cities along with their countries, which (as I said in the CFD) "appears to go a long way towards addressing my concerns". User:roundhouse0 also added an explanatory sentence on the page for Category:Lilongwe to inform readers that it is the capital of Malawi. I would like to know if you feel these steps are sufficient to deal with our concerns. Please post a reply at the CFD -- thanks! Cgingold (talk) 12:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Jon Leicester

I wasn't logged in when I made the edit, but:

The Orioles today announced that RHP Jon Leicester (pronounced "Lester") has been selected from AAA Norfolk and LHP Kurt Birkins has been optioned to Norfolk. To make room on the 40-man roster for Leicester, LHP Adam Loewen has been transferred to the 60-day disabled list.[1]

Same way Worcester is pronounced "Wooster." Samer (talk) 15:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Seaway Trail Discovery Center

On 22 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Seaway Trail Discovery Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

don't know why you didn't get credit for this, you should _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Why thank you! How does it work? Is there some sort of minimum requirement of work needed to get the template? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

not a clue, but I know Dtrebbien got one for Red Dog (Karratha) that I created and s/he worked on so ergo, you get one here. I don't see anything in the DYK docs about who gets it, but that documentation is spread over a dozen pages or so and it's entirely possible I missed it. Is it Friday yet? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not fair! I also put a lot of work into it! --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

non-thank spam thank you

for being the original one to suggest me to Rudget when s/he asked you...Plus we have fun, thanks for your !vote of support. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Harry Duncan

Thanks for helping to edit my first post for Harry Duncan. I was wondering how you were able to fix the title, as I tried to but was unsuccessful. I'm completely new to writing Wiki articles (but an expert at reading them ;)) and would appreciate any tips or suggestions you may have. Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlam11 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I have "move" tab on the top of each page. You don't have that tab because you're still a new editor. I don't know when exactly you get the move tab. In any case, you could have originally put in the entry in the uppercase. If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brew! I do have just one more question please. My posting has a lot of information I would like to add, but do not have hyperlinks to references for verification. How does Wiki decide what information stays and what gets deleted? In other words, in your opinion, what types of biographical information is okay to post without having direct references for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlam11 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding earlier, I didn't notice your question. Although hyperlinks are preferred, they are not required. As long as the source is a reliable source it can be used as a reference. If you wish, you can use one of the templates at Wikipedia:Citation templates for your references. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Travis Parrott

Thank you for being honest with me. Yeah, someone already wants to delete the Parrott article as well. I can see why my friends stopped using wikipedia. Well, lesson learned. I still want to be involved and it's a learning process. Thank you for your guidance and in helping me out and nominating me for that award. I'll work on knowing who is more notable and who isn't. I just have one question for the athletes page. It states that only professional athletes are notable. What would that make of college players, those who are All-Americans? Are they not at the top of their profession? Tim Tebow isn't a professional athlete, yet he has a big page. I just to learn more so I don't make the same mistake again, thank you very much! (321Baseball (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC))

There are two ways an atlete can be notable. The first is if s/he plays in a fully professional league. If an athlete is in the NBA/WNBA or MLB etc. they are automatically in. A non-professional athlete can also be notable for Wikipedia purposes, but only if they have recieved significant coverage in secondary sources. Meaning, he's really famous and has recived lots of news coverage. Tim Tebow is such a person. But he's one of the select few college players that are considered notable enough for Wikipedia. The reasoning behind it kind if makes sense to me. If not for this rule, Wikipedia would be flooded with articles about thousands of lacrosse, baseball, basketball, etc. players. It would begin to look like MySpace instead of an encyclopedia. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Brecrewer, thank you for imput and guidance in all of this. You finally gave me an answer I can work with. I'm on the talkpage of the Parrott page and the editors there have been giving me all sorts of answers. At least with your answer, I now know where to go from here. I am disappointed that the Parrott page is heading for deletion but I guess it is what it is. As you can see, I signed up for wikipedia three days ago and I definitely am enjoying updating and creating pages. I initially got a bad taste in my mouth when some of my articles were edited. Thank you for editing my Satellite High School article. I do have one question to ask you about that page. I had a departments section on there with the departments heads, yet it wad deleted. Student7 deleted that section. Now, I'm not sure why that isn't notable. If someone were to come across the SHS page, wouldn't knowing what departments were taught at Satellite and who taught them be notable/informative? I've been looking through high school pages on wikipedia and departments were a category on a bunch so I figured I'd use that for the page as well. Thanks again for all of your help. I want to learn more about this wonderful site. Respectfully, 321Baseball (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Your a great editor, and I'm happy to see that you'll stick around here. When I first started, all my stuff got deleted or reversed. But things get easier the more experiece you have around here. As for the school, I reinserted the Clinton quote, it's a no-brainer that it belongs. Student7's problem with the list of the department heads might be that it looks like a directory, and violative of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. If you would add info about the specific department, I guess that would remove the problem. Keep in touch! --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ali Staton

I say AfD it. I'm getting nothing either. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Italics

Genii and species are always italicized at WP. Badagnani (talk) 04:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Incivility question

Hello. I have a question regarding possible incivility/failure to AGF by a user. Here he accused me of bad faith in an AfD that garnered a fair amount of support. Here he attacked my beliefs rather needlessly. And here, just very recently, he both accused me of bad faith (where none was present) and pointed to the fact that I'm a monarchist, which has nothing to do with the AfD in question, and even if it did, WP:NPA prohibits "using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views". So: would you say this is cause for action, or should I ignore it? Biruitorul ^Talk 05:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

A quick perusal of the provided links shows some evidence of incivility, but I don't know why you bring this issue to me. I was not involved in any of these discussions, nor am I preceded by a repuation for peacemaking. Your chances of resolving this issue are greatly increased at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I just sort of plucked your name off the ANI - but your answer was useful, as I'd forgotten about the WQA page. Many thanks. Biruitorul ^Talk 05:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well calling the nom "bad faith" was a mistake. My bad. I will change the wording. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

RevaHealth

Hi, I noticed you closed the AfD - result was speedy delete on RevaHealth.com. There is also a redirect page just called RevaHealth. Does this get automatically deleted or does it also need to be nominated? Thanks. --Bardcom (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It has to be tagged for speedy deletion as a CSD R1. I'll take care of that. Thanks.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Adams

Stephen Adams (business) - WP:BIO Objection: I came a across this investor in some research I was doing on the early parts of the Leveraged Buyout boom in the early 1980s (see an EARLY version of an article I am working on -- User:Urbanrenewal/Sandbox PE History). He built up the #3 billboard company in the US over the last 25 years and owns a company Affinity Group, Inc. that seems to be a major player in the Recreational vehicle industry with two businesses that are already on Wikipedia (Good Sam Club and Camping World). He also had his share of failures bankrupting a radio company he owned. However in terms of scale, Affinity generated ~$562 million[2] of revenue this past year which combined with his other non-public businesses would put him close to ~$750 million of revenue last year which he owns entirely himself. He has bought and sold radio and television stations as well as banks and is a historical figure in the leveraged buyout space (minor but notable). He made a hostile takeover attempt in the 1980s of a public company which seems to have been covered in various news outlets. He is a major benefactor at Yale and Stanford. I have also added a number of references and other interesting facts that I found in reading through the company's older filings on Edgar including from a deposition he gave in 2000.

I find it hard to argue WP:BIO on the basis of notability and I would like to think it is a pretty even portrayal without emellishment or hyperbole. I have worked on a number of company histories and bios and would like to think I am forced to walk a fine line on notability but do my best to do so and take a lot of pride in my contributions.

I am not sure which version you looked at also. It might be worth it to take another look as I did add a few references. I might have some more content / references to add when I have some time over the next day or so. Feel free to comment and if you have no objections I would like to remove the tag (and would prefer if you do it).Urbanrenewal (talk) 01:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the article again, but I don't think it meets the wp:bio standards. I don't see any reliable sources that cover him. There's some coverage about the companies that he was involved with, but that doesn't suffice. The coverage must be substantial and the coverage must be about him. Being mentioned in an article about his company, even being mentioned in a few articles, doesn't meet the "significant non-trivial coverage" requirement of wp:bio. Best,--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with you if the guy's business were not buying and selling companies. What makes him notable is that he has assembled a little empire of companies. And everywhere I found him mentioned he is mentioned as "secretive" and "reclusive". I don't think you need to have a profile written about someone for them to be notable if their actions are notable and verifiable. If you look at RV trade publications he pops up all over.

[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]. I don't know how valuable it is to stick a bunch of those links in the article but they are there. And there was a weird article which I did not think belonged in Wikipedia[12]. The more I think about this the less borderline I think it is but would like to get additional viewsUrbanrenewal (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Although you're assertions for the establishment of notability are rational and logical, they don't cause him to meet the wp:bio standard. Wikipedia's standards are very specific - significant coverage in reliable sources. If he was secretive and did enough of a good job avoiding the media to have not recieved significant coverage, then he isn't notable for Wikipedia purposes. The rv newspapers that you provide have the same problem as the links in the article - they aren't about him, they're about the company that he was involved with. Besides, I don't think the rv newspapers meet the WP:RS requirements. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion and looking at your historical contributions I understand where you are coming from. In this case I think you are missing the point. I would disagree that the coverage on the page already is trivial per the definition ("Non-triviality is a measure of the depth of content of a published work, and how far removed that content is from a simple directory entry or a mention in passing") since the articles are about the company's he owns and mentions him prominently in them. The articles listed above are not reliable sources for purposes of inclusion on Wikipedia which is why they are not in the article but in conjunction with the sources that are available I would argue it makes a pretty good argument if the question is notability (I don't think the question with the article is that the sources listed are not reliable or that the article is not referenced). I would prefer you open it to more opinions before attempting to delete. These are not some small mom & pop companies. The owner of any large business (hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues in his combined portfolio of companies) of this sort with as much prominence as he seems to have in his niches and given that he was an early mover in the LBO trend in the early 1980s I think combines to make a good case. I don't write articles about subjects that are not notable and I feel pretty confident that this has a place. Is it a perfect article? probably not but the subject is notable and if I need to build consensus I am happy to do so.Urbanrenewal (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You might not realize, but if you disagree with the "prod", you can just remove it yourself. And as you apparently disagree with the "prod", I will remove it for you, and maybe later bring it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and ask other editors for their input. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, it is greatly appreciated. I was aware that I could remove it myself but my experience is that on things like this it is generally preferable to try to build concensus and discuss with the contributing editor rather than go through the back and forth of reverting your change and then you reverting mine. I try to avoid conflict so let's see how it develops. Regards Urbanrenewal (talk) 13:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Pólus Palace Golf Club

I didn't even realize notability for golf courses needed to be established. I added a few sources (Forbes, a Hungarian business newspaper published by Axel Springer AG, the American Chamber of Commerce and the Hungarian Television), is it OK now? Squash Racket (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You did a great job on the article (not that you need my approval). But how about merging and redirecting it into the town where it is situated - Göd? The town article is small and would be greatly enhanced by this added information. The actual information would not be lost, it would be part of a greater article, and it would solve all potential notability issues. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Originally I wanted to write an article about all 18-hole golf courses of Hungary as I saw no problem with that (there are only seven of them), I thought it clearly helped readers to get some useful information.

Let's just focus on the more notable 2-3, but this one still happens to be one of them. In fact, based on notability Göd should be redirected to this title:) Squash Racket (talk) 03:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No way should the city be redirected to the golf course. Geographic locales are inherently notable. Let me see if I can track down some sort of notability guidline for golf courses. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Look what I found:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf#Golf Course Notability. Although this - what looks like a - concensus isn't binding, it should be the general guideline for golf course notability. Is the golfcourse under discussion notable under this linked discussion?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The Club has held some professional regional cups (one of them finished just this weekend), so based on the linked discussion this course is OK, but not all of the Hungarian ones. The discussion even mentions amateur events as sufficient. Squash Racket (talk) 04:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

"Professional regional cups" weren't mentioned as meeting the notability requirements. It looks like Major tournaments was the agreement. The discussion also mentions amateur events as potentionally notable, but only if they were similar - notability wise - to a major tournament. Does the link that you attached (I don't understand Hungarian, so I'll trust you) represent as much?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if there was a concensus on anything:

Furthermore, there are probably courses that are important in their region, even if not used to hold national tournaments. Other courses may be important for their history or architecture (for example, the first golf course in a country). There are probably very few course articles I would delete out of hand... I would use these criteria more to get a list of articles which should be written rather than a list to be deleted.

The link I provided leads to "Klubcsapat Bajnokság" (Klub=Club, Csapat=Team, Bajnokság=Championship) held last weekend (and won by) the Pólus Palace Team. Squash Racket (talk) 04:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any disagreements in that discussion, so if that isn't a concensus, I don't know what is. I also disagree in the assessment that the context of the duscussion was for articles to be created. In any case, maybe I'll bring it to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion to get the input from other editors. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I still say I see no concensus for deletion criteria.

Mowsbury, I was simply adding two ideas about golf course notability. (...) This is a list of ideas about courses to be added (not deleted)!!!! -Heatfan55 18:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

All participants added ideas about the courses that needed to be written, but all of them were reluctant to mention any that should be deleted.

If you want to do an Afd about it, would you remove the tag from the article? Squash Racket (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You don't need my permission to remove the tag from the article. If you disagree with my assessment - and obviously you do - you may remove it yourself. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Barn star

Thank you. I'm honored, and I shall wear it with pride. Dahn (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Likewise - many thanks! Biruitorul ^Talk 04:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Good spot; hope I cleared the mess up to your satisfaction. (By the way, my edit summary assumed you were a member of the Brew Crew; i.e., a supporter of our beloved Milwaukee Brewers; if this is not so, I apologize.) --Orange Mike | Talk 17:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have nothing against the "beloved" Brewers, but I'm not their biggest supporters. Becasue of this confusion, times aplenty have I regretted my username choice. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Embedded marketing

Thank you for your update on this AfD. As per your editing, I have removed my Delete vote and requested that the article be redirected to the existing coverage of product placement. I greatly appreciate your taking the time to alert me of this change, and I am glad that you took the extra effort to save this article. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from me (the originator of the afd) too. Like others, I'm not convinced this is a notable concept in its own right: I can't see the difference between it and Product placement, going by your definition. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to notify me. Renee (talk) 22:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

notability of minor-leaguers

Cheers for the heads up about notability of the minor league players, I was mainly trying to fill out the AAA rosters. Most of them fit the guidelines by having played a full season at Pawtucket but feel free to delete the one that doesn't meet the critera. thanks Mishh (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Priscilla Ahn

I added some sources to back up some of the information that wasn't obtained from primary sources (like her biography). As I kept in mind mainly news and magazine oriented organizations, I found several news and review articles on Yahoo news, Billboard.com and the Internet Movie Database. How am I doing in providing notability for Priscilla Ahn? This is my first article, I want to make certain it stays. Joe Capricorn (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Marian Music

Hi, Thanks for the barnstar, but please give it to User:Ambrosius007 because most of the material was his, and I just merged it in as a new page because we are doing a series of articles together. Cheers History2007 (talk) 05:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

I take it the article is staying. I was worried, since it had been deleted before (after someone else created it), but it wasn't locked so I went ahead and remade it and made it a point to prove notability.

Thanks for the barnstar, while I've been browsing Wikipedia for years I haven't really immersed myself in the community so I don't really know what a barnstar is right now. I guess it's some sort of award and I think it probably has a Wikipedia article. ^_^

Back when I was a kid, I always asked my dad questions. He knew everything. I asked him how the remote works, he said "Magic". Amazing!

Now, I ask Wikipedia and they're like, "The infrared currents of light beamed from an LED transmitter toward a transcieverizer on the Television..."

But hey, both answers are good!

Joe Capricorn (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hehehe

I am glad it meets the guidelines. I'll keep a close eye on this page to make sure it continues to meet the guidelines of notability. Priscilla Ahn is definitely a rising star, possibly destined to be as successful (or even more so) than another star who was born and raised in my home county of Berks County, Pennsylvania: Taylor Swift. While Taylor Swift is awesome just for being from near where I live (Wyomissing = fifteen minutes away!), Priscilla Ahn is closer to home still - aside from my home county, she was born and raised in my home town, and went to the same school I did. Beyond that, we were friends and hungout whenever there was a coffee house (which she played until she graduated a year before I did).

Now to start work on finding notability (if it exists) and building an article for another musical artist who is rising to fame in a much different venue: Hardcore Punk. Common Enemy has toured Europe twice and will be for the third time this fall and has about a half-million hits on Myspace. It is also likely that their CDs (most of them are splits with awesome foreign bands) have been reviewed in a few news outlets... of the underground, but probably not yet Metalhammer or similar caliber (Hey, if Metalhammer can feature an emo band on the front cover, why not review some oldschool hardcore punk?). In the end, however, Common Enemy is still very much a local band that draws the local crowd, although there were anecdotes from the band about sold out shows in Europe (in venues that hold 200). Heck, I even went to see them in a garage and they are literally playing in my home town of Bernville (pop: 896)... in a grange that holds 250... sometime in June and already played there in February.

Joe Capricorn (talk) 06:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Thanks for tip, I'll make the necessarily changes right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Habs4ever (talk • contribs) 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks

Thank you! I used to do newpage regularly so I know whereof you speak. I'd gotten pretty good with that one ... had read the nomination earlier in the day and thought about what I was going to write, so I was able to put almost the whole article in on the first edit last night. Glad to have eased a sometimes dreary task. Daniel Case (talk) 14:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Political Parties..?

A (very) draft discussion on the policy on political parties has been started by me here - User:Doktorbuk/pp. If you can assist with this discussion, or know how to help me get this policy looked at, advanced, and accepted by the larger Wiki community, please let me know. Many thanks doktorb _words^deeds 19:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

A Special THANK YOU

What a nice if undeserved surprise from you. I really appreciate it. Here we are .... writing and working into space, ... and then comes from nowhere Brewcrewer and actually likes it. -:)) I am grateful--Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Harambee Hills is racist, sexist and discriminates

Harambee Hills is an important addition to WIKIPEDIA

And another thing, if you continue to omit Harambee Hills, you just may as well delete the whole listing of webcomics, cartoonists, everything related to webcomics, etc Oh, or does the Harambee Hills creator need to be a white, American and male to be includes on Wikipedia? User talk:Milesaurus

Listen this is an important article. I even edited down the characters listing. There are not many African-American cartoonists listed on the Wiki. Also, there are hundreds of Webcomics on the Wiki, New and Old! Are you stated that WIKI is only for White cartoonist? ((User talk:Milesaurus)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milesaurus (talk • contribs) 20:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, here too. I'm impressed. This is why editors with a conflict of interest have issues. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)\

(ec)A few things: Firstly, I did not delete the article, I only tagged for deletion. These three four administrators deleted the article. Secondly, I don't know why, but you seem to be assuming that I am white. I don't know where you're getting your assumptions from. Thirdly, and most importantly, every article must meet Wikipedia's guidelines. See WP:NN for the general guidelines. Race and gender do not make a difference. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

seeking clarification re Booean Fooian cat renames

Could you please make clear whether your comment That is an overcategorization means the categories shoud not exist or does it mean that they shoudl not be renamed becuase it would allow for the category ot become too broad. For example I am of Huguenot descent. I could therefore be categorised as an Australian of Huguenot descent but not as Huguenot Australian - the descent is too far back and the latter would not be an appropriate categorisation. Is that what you are getting at? Thanks Matilda ^talk 04:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The latter is exactly correct. Sorry if I was unclear. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Piwimedia

Hi!
Thank you for your quick response.
You're right, Michael Hammers is more well known in Germany. Here's a link of a cologne newspaper wich carries an article that covers the person Michael Hammers.
http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1171561464491.shtml
I hope that would help, thank you, have a nice day!--Piwimedia (talk) 07:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced edit

Dear Brewcrewer, Hi, I am the person who recreated the Peucinian page. I have now deleted everything but the bare, significant, cited historical facts, and I have shown, on the talk page, why it is crucial that this article not be deleted, as per Wikipedia's commitment to certain "Wikiprojects". I hope this meets your satisfaction. Fezamingruitat (talk) 08:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)