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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of honorific titles in popular music (2nd nomination)

As the second biggest contributor to this article, I wanted to let you know that the article is currently up for deletion. Ikip (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Stop being stereotypical.

Just because Rihanna's half African American like you does not necessary make her a R&B artist. Go listen to Pop radio stations and look at the genre label on the iTunes music store. Rihanna is a Pop singer because she's POPULAR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rihanna Knowles (talk • contribs) 07:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Flo Rida

Hi there, I noticed that you've dealt with the user "Rihanna Knowles" quite a bit, and have had problems with them (the Rihanna article is on my watchlist). Do you think you could weigh in here please? Thanks. Acalamari 17:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I left my two cents on the talk page. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 17:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Miley Cyrus#Racism

Your expert advice is very much needed in this discussion. I am not expecting you to agree with me; I just want the thoughts of someone I consider neutral on BLP matters, and not merely against inclusion of something in a Wikipedia article mainly due to personal opinion. Flyer22 (talk) 20:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for holding my opinion in high regard. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I have seen your excellent work and reasoning on articles here at Wikipedia, which has subsequently caused me to really trust your opinions. I may disagree with you at times...but even when I disagree with you...I am bound to know that you are more likely right some of those times. Flyer22 (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You are a consistent helper on this page

You've helped me on List of Honorific titles page, Can you give your opinion on it on this page .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_honorific_titles_in_popular_music_(2nd_nomination) Kelvin Martinez (talk) 10:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Hey, Bookkeeperoftheoccult. Just stopping by to wish you a Happy Birthday from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!-- Wyatt915✍ 18:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

On Spider-Mouse...

(saw your note to Wess)

D'ohF***

Definitely does not look good...

- J Greb (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I find it to be a sad, sad day. Disney just seems to buy the soul of any company that doesn't want to get into bed with them these days (EX: Pixar). The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 04:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Disney buys Marvel

My immediate thought when I found about about that was "Coming soon! The next feature-length animated feature from Walt Disney Pictures: The Punisher!". WesleyDodds (talk) 04:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The many genres of Kylie Minogue

Thanks. I wasn't going to get involved in this but I'm glad you mentioned it. I left a message on this editor's talk page a couple of weeks ago, saying that I didn't care what they did with the genres but to stop squabbling over it and reach agreement. Didn't work. I've left my 2 cents worth now. Rossrs (talk) 10:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for adding a bit of properly sourced information to the 2000s section of Contemporary R&B! I just went to the recent contribs of one of our usual suspects, and noticed that there was still edit warring over Beyoncé vs. Rihanna in that section, and was about to throw the whole section out when I noticed that you just went over it and replaced it with something useful. :)
I'll keep an eye on it, to prevent further lameness.
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea 12:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem. :) I actually have a vest interest in the article now. Considering the genre has such a short history compared to others, I think it might be easier to get to FA. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Comtemporary R&B

Personally I think it needs to be merged into Rhythm & Blues. It's not widely considered a distinct form, and you're better off dealing with R&B as a whole (it's one of the core music articles I don't see many people eager to take a shot at sprucing up). That's about all I want to say on the matter, in fear of being sucked into a downward spiral of genre discussions with people less sensible than you that might not end productively.

Also: I loooooooove 80s R&B. To wit: "Oh Sheila". WesleyDodds (talk) 02:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just saw that. Thanks. Is that from a book/collection, or is it from the original newspaper? WesleyDodds (talk) 03:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought you had finished working on Control. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Janet

Oh dear god, that one was about you? I used to think why that comic strip was made when I first saw it at the Janet wikiproject! Lol! And I saw your work about Control in the sandbox. Wonderful job! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome!!! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Honorific nicknames in popular music

Thanks, its good to get some feedback on what could have been a very controversial change. I would like to say it was no problem, but it did take a lot of digging around. Just to say I appreciate your efforts in improving the article and defending it against over-enthusiastic attempts at inclusion, which I suspects we will be doing on a regular basis for as long as we are watching it. All the best.--Sabrebd (talk) 07:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

A favour

Hi book, can i ask a favour from you? I plan to work on the Madonna album Something to Remember, but don't have enough critical reception info about it. Since you have access to old news archives could you please find me some info and paste it at User:Legolas2186/reviews? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Book. I didnot notice previously that you had already found those info. Thanks a lot! :):) PS. Are we getting any new cartoons based on you?? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Google News

Totally separate from the main discussion at Rihanna, so I'll bring it up here: Google News carries far more than reliable news feeds: it contains reliable news feeds, publicity wires, and any blog that signs up as a news source. It's a good place to look for reliable sourcing, but please don't think that every source it carries is inherently reliable.—Kww(talk) 18:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Note

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 10, 2009. Congrats, or should I say good luck? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Honorific titles in popular music

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Michael Stipe

Oh, good! Not working much in music and seeing how much time had passed, I really didn't want to do that to an article I'd never touched before. It looked like it was in great shape in June, which is why I left the note. Thanks! Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Lady Gaga

I see with edit you don't want her sexuality in the lead. I'm making the argument that her sexuality and her incredible support within the gay community is huge to her success as an artist and should be noted as such. Why do you see it as not being important? I look forward to working with you in the future! tommy talk 17:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

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Congratulations!!!!

Congratulations on getting Janet to Featured Article status! It's a nice surprise to hear from you. I've helped a few people out by doing a proofread/copyedit on articles they wanted to get to GA or FA status, but I'm not familiar with the criteria on how one officially reviews an article for GA or FA. Is there a page that explains that? Abrazame (talk) 08:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

That Whitney Houston article...

...cannot keep a free picture for nothing, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 03:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

You'd think SOMEONE, somewhere would have at least one free picture. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:17, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Madonna

Hey Book how are you? Well I was thinking that it is time the Madonna article be pushed for its lost FA tag. I think it is structured wonderfully and is one of the best. Since "4 Minutes" has been promoted to FA, I have ample time left to go through the article and brief it up if I feel so. Though User:Rossrs believes that the article doesnot need any briefing up at all. What do you think? Should we start with the Peer review process? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Care to reply? :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Haha. I replied on your talk page under "Madonna for FA" a few days ago. I'd say go for a PR first. possibly two if you can find two different sets of editors to do it. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry that I didnot notice your reply :(:( {bows head in Wiki-shame} I have enlisted the help of User:Karancs who is a FA moderator + reviewer + BLP member. Hence she can point out what inconsistencies there might be. I will start the PR. Congrats for Janet Jackson on the main page! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Here again

Give me a day or two to get back to you. Backlogggggged . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 10:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Also: [1]. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

OMG! That is funny as hell. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

hey girl hey

		The Music Barnstar
		I just wanted to say congrats on today's FA!! APK say that you love me 09:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! *hugs* Janet...Thats my girl! The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Honorific nicknames reverts

Puzzled by your recent revert of my removal of Namie Amuro. The second article actually says: "who went from singing at supermarket openings in Okinawa to becoming the reigning queen of Japanese pop music". I do not see anything here that says this is a title widely used and it looks more like all those references to pop princesses that have been deleted recently. If we are setting the bar this low I probably need to restore quite a lot of the deletions. I have looked for another reliable reference to her and this title, but I cannot find one.--SabreBD (talk) 13:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it a low standard. Its a major news publication with a specific attribution. As I mentioned on the talk page long ago, in keeping a gobal perspective its important to keep a look out for nicknames that may occur in non-english speaking countries. And since Japan's recording industry is second in the world only to the united states, I'd say its important to have her mentioned. Oricon is the Japanese equivalant of Billboard but most of their information is in Kanji, so I doubt we'd be able to find a wealth of information in english, no matter how hard we look. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 13:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I would have no problem if the article said something like "commonly known in Japan as the Queen of Pop", but by this logic any hyperbole used in an English language publication is being taken as evidence of a widespread title, a criteria we specifically rule out for western acts. I am very reluctant to revert your edits (a lot more than you are of mine evidently), but these are not the criteria that some considerable care was taken with when they were established. I think if we want to do it this way we should think about changing those. Perhaps you could open a discussion on it on the talk page to that end. Until that is agreed I think the decent thing would be to revert your own recent edits that do not meet the talk page criteria. But I leave that up to you.--SabreBD (talk) 14:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

• Continued on at Talk:Honorific nicknames in popular music.* The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson first African American artist on MTV?

An IP changed Michael Jackson's Thriller article from stating that Jackson was the first African American to be on MTV. It is correct that the video "Thriller" was not the first, but the video "Billie Jean" is considered that. In this MTV link, it says, "In 1983, 'Billie Jean' became the first video to air on MTV by a black artist." Despite this, none of the Michael Jackson Wikipedia articles state this; they rather credit him only with the heavy rotation part. Why is that? Flyer22 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The second MTV article is wrong, flat out. Michael Jackson was not the first African American to be aired on MTV. However, he was the first African American to have heavy rotation on MTV which was considered to be significant. "Billie Jean" and subsequent videos gained a massive following compared to the infrequent play of earlier black musicians, effectively altering the scope of MTV from 'white rock' to a broad range of genres. "Our position is that we play rock n roll music. What we are doing is successful. We hope to find more black musicians doing rock n roll and new music. Its not a color barrier-its a music barrier." MTV executives stressed they did play those black artists that did fit MTV's sound, like the Bus Boys, a Los Angeles rock act..."

Other artists that went before Jackson were Tina Turner and Donna Summer. Ever since the MTV flag was planted in the summer of 1981, the channel had positioned itself as a rock n roll station. And because only a few black acts—Tina Turner, Prince, Joan Armatrading, the Bus Boys-played what most people called rock n roll anymore, only a few had clips played on the network. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep, you are right on this matter (obviously); I guess my age is showing, LOL, as I was still very young when "Billie Jean" premiered on MTV and was not even yet born when some of the other Black artists debuted on MTV (I was born in 1982). Still, I usually consider myself an expert on popular culture (even though it is not something I ever really needed to study, especially not in school). Somehow, the false information that Jackson was the first African American artist to have a music video debut on MTV spread all over the media. Any explanations how that happened? Flyer22 (talk) 07:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Haha. I was born in 84, so I'm younger (yay!) But I suppose its just laziness on the part of journalists and reporters. Everyone known he broke barriers on MTV, to that effect - I guess its just easier to assume he was the first black artist on MTV, rather than doing the actual research. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL about the age thing. And I get what you mean about the laziness of the media. This once again shows that not every reliable source should be used, even though Wikipedia says we are supposed to be about "verifiability, not truth." Flyer22 (talk) 07:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Janet Jackson/Number 1s

Here is some interesting info for you:

[2] - in the uk it the number1s album will be called "The Best" and itsa tracklisting has been released - confirmed for november 23 release. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 13:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC))

Yeah, I know. I've been keeping up with the press releases daily. Thanks for the notice. I'm in the process of updating all the info, might take a few hours. Plus I need a break because my eyes hurt. lol. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 13:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Peer review of Madonna

Did you happen to see Wikipedia:Peer review/Madonna (entertainer)/archive3? Extremely valid points to consider IMO. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

A decent review. I wish I could be of more help, but the vast majority of my time right now is focused on school, so I probably won't be of much use until mid-winter. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Grrrrrr... girl?? You still in school? :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you book. Luv ya! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

JANET

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Hey there

I've been busy/preoccupied these days. Nevertheless, you wanted help on Control, right? WesleyDodds (talk) 09:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I've leave little comments here:

:*If the infobox is going to say "R&B", you should link to Rhythm & blues to avoid confusion for unfamiliar readers. It's the overrarching genre anyway. Just sayin'. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:*Move the lead statement about it being her breakthrough album to the third paragraph.

:*Theme =/= Autbiographical account. Rephrase. You can say the album contains autobiographical themes, for instance. :*Given you don't have full dates for the singles in the infbox, I'd recommend simply listing month and year for all of them.

• Coming from a book titled The Heart of Rock & Soul: The 1001 Greatest Singles Ever Made (1999), Marsh's comments on the album's lyrics seem out of place. That's a book on songs, not albums, so it wouldn't be considered an authorative source for the purposes of the article.

Here, the book discusses the premise of the album (and much of her bio prior to the release of Control) before discussing singles. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:*Watch out for passive voice. Ex. "In order to ensure their finest work, the entire production of the album was required to be done at their own studio in Minneapolis . . .". That's a very confused sentence.

• You say "Stephen Holden of The New York Times", but the citation lists the San Francisco Chronicle as the source.

It's an except from The New York Times reprinted in the San Francisco Chronicle. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:*You don't need the exact dates for certifications. Month and year are fine.

:*Also, you don't need to indicate that a single wasn't certified, unless a source makes a big stink about it for some reason.

:*"Contemporary reviews" is a bit confusing; it might be construed as referring to review contemporaneous to the album's release. Change it to "Later reviews".

:*In that last sentence in the "Legacy" section, put the individual cites after the items they are citing. It'll look less cluttered.

• You really don't need that Accolades table. You discuss most if not all the items in the prose

Call me OCD, I prefer keeping it. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

It's redundant, though. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:*The only thing that outright worries me is the lack of any Janet bios as references. Surely you can find something useful in them. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:*You don't need those chart succesion boxes; they're incorrectly used throughout Wikipedia by editors who don't understand what they're intended for. Successon boxes are meant for offices, titles, and posts. Being number one on the charts isn't any of those. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

O hai, I see it got promoted. Good work, although personally I would've wanted the FAC open for a little bit longer to garner more commentary. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

On promoting Control. Yayy another FA for WP:JANET. Hope the same comes with Rhythm Nation too. Since you have been through the album FA I wanted to ask you do you think that True Blue has a shot at being a FA? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Well done.--SabreBD (talk) 17:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Book for the overview. :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Sly and The Family Stone

Hi Bookkeeper; there is very little needed at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Sly & the Family Stone/archive2; are you able to peek in at what's left? It's mostly one non-reliable source that needs to be replaced, and the article needs review by music people. If you know anyone else who might help, would you mind pinging them? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I've got

Tickets for this on December 1st. Are you coming by any chance? :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No. I got's no monies with which to buy tickets. :( The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 11:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

He he he. Even I almost fell out too!! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Gwen Stefani

Why do you insist on removing sourced information? "WP:LEAD as long as info is in the body of the article the lead/infobox does not require citations. discuss on the talk page first," this was your last edit summary. There is no musical style section discussing Stefani's genres regardless, so to me, this just seems like a case of not being satisfied with how a reliable source lists genres. I don't see the point in discussion for removing unsourced genres, when several could be added that do have a reliable source. The behavior you are exhibiting goes against WP:OWN and WP:NOR. Please stop. Chase wc⁹¹ 04:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gwen Stefani. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. NW (Talk) 22:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Alicia Keys personal life

Hi there Bookkeeper, long time no talk. I was wondering if you could give Alicia Keys a look. There's a user insisting to add personal life section based on rumors and speculation with no word directly from Keys (who, naturally, isn't open about her personal life). I'm up to other things on the wiki and can't really get around to it; I wondering if you could give a whack at it. Regards. — ξ^xplicit 02:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

examiner.com

I just got an error message when I tried to undo the entire preceding edit. I don't know anything about the reason.—Kww(talk) 02:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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chiding revert to music genres.....

I have noticed you dispute many Black articles with musicians that record Pop especially with artists such as Michael Jackson and Rihanna who are more notable for recording dance music. To be more candor, It seems that you always revert people's edits with music genres. How come? Please give me a clear explanation. MoneyIsEverything (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Would you

Be interested to join THIS? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Book. Means a lot coming from you since I look upto you regarding the BLP articles. And yeah definitely I would help. I'll start by adding the chord progression and stuff. Watch me zoooooooooooom. By the way the Gaga Wikiproject is up. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Blah, even with so much focus im still not able to promote Madonna's albums or the BLP to FA status. The only one I was able to promote was 4 Minutes. Im so engrossed with GAs now. By the way "Doesn't Really Matter" doesnot have sheet music. i have to look something else for it. Pity, its my favourite Janet song. Also what was that Janet song where she jumps around teh world heritage buildings? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok. I thought it was called Around the World. Are you checking the sheet music's that Im adding? black Cat and That's the way I have to search again as didnot find anything. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I know, its so frustrating in times like these. Even Google books are also failing to provide any info regarding the composition of Doesnt Really Matter. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

For the others I think you need to download the Sibelius file and then view the sheet music, Im afraid I won't be able to download it now as Im in office. Will do later from home. I hope its fine. Funny thing is google books is not returning anything regarding the music structure of the songs. Chart performance, Scholarly analysis, everything are present except the composition. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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Rated R

Hi Booky,
can I interest you (or any of your talk page stalkers) for the thankless task of providing much desired input for the hugely important issue of what to fill into the genre field of the infobox on Rated R (Rihanna album)? :)
It would put a rather lame edit war to rest, hopefully, and I'd feel very much in your debt.
Kind regards, Amalthea 02:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Since the article states: "Primarily an R&B/Pop album..." I'd say leave it at that in the infobox. The rest of the article can discuss other genres in prose. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I've proposed just that. There's apparently one review at IGN calling it a hip hop album, but he seems to be alone with that opinion, from what I can tell. Cheers, Amalthea 09:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Book

How are you? Well since the Confessions era of Madonna is done, I was wondering can you help me find some reviews for the Ray of Light era singles of Madonna like "Frozen", "Ray of Light", "Drowned World/Substitute for Love", "The Power of Good-bye" and "Nothing Really Matters"? You are kinda magic when it comes to finding information :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll look into it. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Wonderful

Thanks for the above. However, can you chime in at Talk:Paparazzi (Lady Gaga song)/GA1? A deeply biased reviewer is basically stating that the article is a pile load of shit becuase it is full of critical reviews and receptions by other people. Can you help? I'm basically in deep coma after seeing the level of biasness from this reviewer and his absurd demands like contacting the record company of Gaga for their certification of the article. :-o --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a ton sweety :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Gaga edit

Sorry! I must not have been thinking correctly when I changed that. I was thinking this year and had totally forgotten about the '08 nod. Thanks for correcting my mistake. Chase wc⁹¹ 05:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you

Take a look at this. Comment on what are your thoughts about how I edit and the article "Paparazzi". Be frank, if you think what I do is crap, say it. I'm really hurt by such allegations that what I do for Wikipedia is fancruft. :( --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Gay icon

Hi, I'm not sure who may have added it but I removed a rather soapboxy bit that seemed out of place. -- Banjeboi 18:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I added that ages ago, to give an alternative perspective on the subject. There was one other objector at the time, but I don't find it soapbox-ish... just amusing. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we could find a way to use it if it was trimmed down. The article does seem fine without and Joseph Nicolosi does not strike as a credible source in this area. Is there something that is missing that we could find from more RS? -- Banjeboi 03:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

A little help for ce

Hi Book. Can you help me out by copy-editing the article Sticky & Sweet Tour? Thanks in advance. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually pretty bad with copy-editing work. You'd probably want to ask someone who's involved with the guild of copyeditors. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Concerning sourcing for Empress of Soul title (your original source replaced with an insulting less reliable source.

EMPRESS OF SOUL

• Below is the original source and posting by Bookkeeperoftheoccult 14 March 2009 of Gladys Knight and Empress of Soul title.

He refers to the eyewitness account of Kleopatra Girl's Ringside Report at the Ella Awards when the Society of Singers officially designated Gladys Knight as The Empress of Soul(called that as earlier as the 60's). The insulting source you prefer relies upon this original source and in fact, without justification, replaced it.

• I'm leaving this on Bookkeeperoftheoccult's talk page as well.

|Empress of Soul||Gladys Knight || U.S. || Comprendo (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Invitation

Madonna Queen of Pop

A user added the title to the article's legacy. Do you think its fine to have it in teh legacy and omit it from the lead? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I think that's fine. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Well what do you think of the updated version of the article? FA class? I think its about time Madonna got her due. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Very good. It might be good just to put it through FA once. I like the improvements to the musical style and legacy. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

James Robert Baker

Hi! I'm completing the translation of the article about James Robert Baker to es:wiki, I see that you are actively involved in it and I have a doubt about the meaning of a phrase: "While financially successful, he was frustrated that his work was not being produced." It's as a novelist or as screenwriter that "his work was not being produced"? How can he be financially successful if his screenplays were not produced? Thanks for your answer, Wikisilki (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

MAdonna in trouble

Hello Book, your input is strongly required at Talk:Madonna (entertainer), where an editor wants to split the personal life section apart like previous versions. Please comment on the issue. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, the article is FA now. Thanks for all that you did for Madonna. A True blue kiss for you :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814

Hello, I just wanted to ask for your help in nominating Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 for a Featured article. I'm not exactly sure on how to begin it, and I wanted to make sure I do it correctly, and seeing that you have a lot of experience would like to have your help. Thanks. Ga Be 19 04:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Since I'm the primary editor based on edit count, I would have to co-nominate with you (which I have no problem doing). I was meaning to do it right after Control was promoted but went on wiki break. There are a few things I want to improve before it goes to FAC, which I'll get to shortly (its Thursday so at least by Sunday). FAC shouldn't prove too hard though, the article is pretty strong. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

sounds like a plan, Rhythm Nation is a strong page, and I've tried to make it better along with her other albums. Hopefully I'll be able to do the same with The Velvet Rope which I want to focus on for now. Ga Be 19 19:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 archived at FAC

I am sorry that my attempt to breathe life into the above nom came a little too late. If you care to bring the article to peer review, I'll be happy to look at it again there. Brianboulton (talk) 00:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Poetic Justice Photo

Hey, I don't see the problem if listing the photo. There about as much info about Poetic Justice in the paragraph as there is about the Rolling Stone cover. Ga Be 19 22:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

The Rolling Stone cover was text specific: the hands of her then-secret-husband covering her breasts, the name of the photographer, the image used as the cover of the Janet album, and (most importantly) the social commentary on impact of the photograph itself. The Poetic Justice image has none of that: What scene in the film was that image taken from? Why is that scene significant to the film? Is there any critical commentary on the performance given by her and Tupac in that scene particular scene? Is there any commentary on costuming, lighting or any other aspects of the production of that scene? These are questions that were already posed during the GA review and required me to remove the original Poetic Justice photo I uploaded since it failed Wikipedia:NFCC#8. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 04:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Janet Discography

Hello, Bookkeeperoftheoccult seeing that you are apart of the Janet Jackson WikiProject, I just wanted your input on this discussion, Thanks! Ga Be 19 04:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:Flyer22#Whitney Houston

Care to weigh in, as it partly has to do with you? Flyer22 (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez

Please explain this [3]. Is there a valid reason why this file was removed?

Pop queen Jennifer Lopez:

1. http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/tv/2011/02/25/simon-cowell-leaving-american-idol-has-made-the-show-better-says-rival-simon-fuller-115875-22947361/

2. http://choosen.tv/jennifer-lopez-join-american-idol-judges

3. http://www.filmyfriday.com/hollywood-news/jennifer-lopez-to-join-the-american-idol-judges

4. http://auditions-auditions.blogspot.com/2010/07/jennifer-lopez-to-join-american-idol.html

5. http://www.style.com/beauty/beautycounter/2010/01/glow-team-jennifer-lopez-celebrates-her-famous-face-painter/

Queen of Pop: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/54179975.html

Queen of Latin:

1. http://blog.singersroom.com/celebs/index.php/2010/09/24/jennifer-lopez-and-american-idol-bully-ex-hubby-ojani-noa

2. http://www.focus.de/fotos/latina-pop-queen-jennifer-lopez-mag-nicht-nur-karibische-sonne_mid_94453.html

3. http://www.pocketsongs.com/product_info.php?products_id=7390

4. http://www.karaokeoutlet.com/index.php/store?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=2471&category_id=45

5. http://www.5starkaraoke.com/products/Three-Latin-Queens-5235.html?cPath=283_394_395 —alptns90 (talk) 07:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi

How are you Book? Its been long time I saw you around. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

So far so good. I saw Lady Gaga in concert the other night. Spectacular! The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you likedc it. Here's to the day when you come back fully in Wiki. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

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Chris Brown (American entertainer)

I take it you dropped this article from your watchlist? Even so, it would be good to again have some backup on the following issue: Talk:Chris Brown (American entertainer)#Personal Issues & Character: we need a section on this. Flyer22 (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Update: Your expertise in designing/editing musical articles is now definitely needed on what should be done with this section. The main discussion about it has changed to Talk:Chris Brown (American singer)#section 1.4 needs to be reWritten : 2008–09: Graffiti album and domestic violence case. Please weigh in when you get a chance. Flyer22 (talk) 05:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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"Irresistible (Jessica Simpson song)"

Hi Bookkeeperoftheoccult! I've nominated the above song article for an FA. If you're free, could you go through it? Your comments are always welcome. Thank you. Novice7 (talk) 10:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the invite, but to be honest, I'm terrible at critiquing other people's work in a formal reviews (even at college) and I'm not really comfortable doing so, especially at FA. I don't see any major problems with the article though, so good luck at FA! The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope it passes this time. Novice7 (talk) 03:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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Janet (album)

LOL, I guess we both think alike or something! Both of us decide to add Slant Magazine's ranking at the same time, and I received the 'edit conflict' message, I guess your fingers are faster than mine!! :) — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 00:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol. At least there's an accolade box there now. Trying to find sources for janet. online are ridiculously hard because of the album's odd punctuation. Takes forever to search for it on any "best of" lists. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

True, and great job on the expansion of the article! Is this next on your FA nomination?? I want to contribute more to these articles but I just find it so frustrating finding good sources and selecting the correct wording. — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 01:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather revisit Rhythm Nation for FA first, but we'll see. It depends on how far I get. I tend to jump from article to article. I really want to develop The Velvet Rope too, cause that article is a mess. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Rhythm Nation shouldn't be too hard to get to FA, with the way it looked during the last FA discussion and the recent additions you added. The Velvet Rope is one of her better album articles but it does need work, I think it would be great if all of her articles were shaped the same, the same sections and such. I'll see if i can add some constructive information but you seem to be the one that has all of the great information, and more experience at this than I do. :) — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 02:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Pink

Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem, but keep an eye out - that same user/IP seems to always change it to 36 albums + 66 million singles without a proper source. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 22:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed they did. Drmies (talk) 05:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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Miss You Much

Hey, Bookkeeperoftheoccult ! I invite you to help me in my sandbox if you want. Pixelyoshi (discuter) 21:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks good so far. I'll try to add to it when I can. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi there. Although I can't remember where exactly I know you from, your username seems familiar. Maybe it's through our mutual edits of "Mariah Carey", or something. Anyway, I digress. The reason for my visit is that I've seen you edit an article that's close to my heart. First, I'd like to thank you for your edits to it, but also ask if it was possible for you to do a copy edit (not all of it; I know it's rather long). You can also drop any comments on the talk page (you'll find a few such comments from others). I was planning to take it to FAC in a few months, and would love any help I can get. There's absolutely no rush; whenever you can find the time. Please and thanks :). Orane (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I tend to edit a lot of "Diva" articles, Janet Jackson primarily, followed by Madonna, Annie Lennox, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Lady Gaga, etc. Plus a wide variety of Comic book articles. I'm usually bad at reviewing/copy editing, but I always make small corrections when I see them. 21 so far is well written, I think. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Yep, that's where I remember you from. Anyway, thanks for the comment on the article (it being well-written), and feel free to correct anytime you want. Take care. Orane (talk) 07:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Madonna (born 1958) is an American singer, songwriter, actress and entrepreneur. Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's top-selling female recording artist of all time by the Guinness World Records. Considered to be one of the "25 Most Powerful Women of the Past Century" by Time for being an influential figure in contemporary music, Madonna is known for continuously reinventing both her music and image, and for retaining a standard of autonomy within the recording industry. Critics have praised Madonna for her diverse musical productions which have also served as a lightning rod for religious controversy. Throughout her career, many of her songs have hit number one on the record charts, including "Like a Virgin", "Papa Don't Preach", "Like a Prayer", "Vogue", "Frozen", "Music", "Hung Up", and "4 Minutes". According to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), she is the best-selling female rock artist of the 20th century and the second top-selling female artist in the United States, with 64 million certified albums. In 2008, Billboard magazine ranked Madonna at number two, behind only The Beatles, on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time Top Artists, making her the most successful solo artist in the history of the chart. She was also inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the same year. (more...)

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Janet Jackson

I was just wondering if you were planning on working on some articles concerning Janet. I want to complete her discography and split into both still and try to promote to feature status. Thoughts? — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 15:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd love to but I've run dry on sources. For whatever reason there isn't a whole lot of books on Janet and I don't have a paid membership to billboard biz or other papers to look through her complete discography for sales and certification and such. If you're planning on doing it you can go ahead and I'll help with what I can. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 02:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I started on it a year ago, but haven't completely finished it, i'll try to start on it soon and hopefully things go in the right direction. — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 03:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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My sister

Mr. Bookkeeperoftheoccult, will you pass a message on to my sister's (Flyer22's) talk page under her Arbcom review? Mr. User:PhilKnight and others know that in my sister's absence, I have been taking care of the articles she worked on. Unfortunately, I cannot take care of her talk page because it is semi-protected. This is what I told Mr. PhilKnight, and there are no details in it that are too personal, so don't worry.

This is what I asked him: Can you send me details of what went into deciding my sister's case? Or send them to my sister? I wasn't asking for her to be unblocked. I was asking for her name to be cleared. But why was the decision to keep her blocked made? Is it because you believe my sister's lying? That I'm my sister? Is it because I've continued to edit articles she looked after since her block? I explained why I'm doing that, and now that she's doing better, editing articles she didn't is a form of relief. How can ArbCom have adequately reviewed her case without letting me provide them with other behind-the-scene details of how I socked, or my sister's medical records to show that what I said happened to her after her block did happen? Why do you think I'm lying or that my sister would be so sadistic as to pose as me, any sibling, and make something up like this? Nothing in her contribution history shows her as the kind of person to lie like this, to sockpuppet (especially when it's not beneficial), and to be so heinous. This isn't a "good account, bad account" case. I was never bad, most of the time. If you all had just allowed me to give you my phone number, you could have confirmed with my mother or my sister's doctors that I'm telling the truth. My sister is now receiving the help she needs, and I don't know if she'll be back to edit Wikipedia later this month. All I requested of you was to let me clear my sister's name. If that meant unblocking her with the edit summary "Mistaken sockpuppet, sorry" or something similar, then so be it, but I doubt she would have started editing again so soon after her unblock. You didn't even broach the topic of if I'm allowed to edit Wikipedia as an IP or under a different account if my sister returns to editing there, or that I can't because I'd be tempted to support her in discussions or because you'll think it's my sister with a double account and will block her again. Thanks for your time, I guess. 108.60.139.114 (talk) 08:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)