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St Paul's Cathedral[edit]

Please don't stuff around with that carefully formatted article. The pics are arranged right/left so a to fit the relevant paragraphs. It doesn't look the same on every screen, so care is taken that it will look OK on both wide and narrow formats.

With regards to the paragraphing, you divided material into so many small bites that continuity was lost. For example, when talking about the series of plans, it is important that the details of each are kept together rather than spreading plan a over three two-line paragraphs, and plan B over another three two-line paragraphs when the info holds together and is more readable as two six-line paragraphs.

There are a great number of very poor articles that need work, so it is general better to start on a very poor article, or a short stub, than sail into a major article that reads well and is carefully laid out.

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Amandajm (talk) 14:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Grammar[edit]

I have been through the article and returned the links that you made and returned the new section heading. But I can't find the edit that you labelled as "grammar". In the course of searching, I did find two words that were the wrong way round. But I still don't know where the grammatical error is. Amandajm (talk) 15:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beaglepack, you are invited to the Teahouse[edit]

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kevin Rudd behavioural and personality related controversies is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the message. Everything on the page is referenced, and openly discussed in Australian politic discourse and the Australian print & news media, including the publicly funded news source, the ABC.

Its understandable that there might some who want to suppress talk of Kevin Rudd's faults out of bitterness, given that Kevin Rudd just lost the ALP a federal election in Australia 3 days ago. It is a desperate time for those souls, and they have my sympathies.

However, I am concerned that the main wiki page about Kevin Rudd is currently missing a large piece of the puzzle that everyone on the ground here in Australia is aware of - Kevin Rudd's controversial personality. If someone overseas read the Kevin Rudd main wiki page, they might be left scratching their heads about the dynamics of Kevin Rudd's political career, and Australian politics over the last few years.

Thank you. Beaglepack (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have just posted a message at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#AfD needing a WP:SNOW closure asking that an administrator close this discussion and delete the article given the clear consensus that it should be speedy deleted. Nick-D (talk) 02:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 2013[edit]

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Your recent editing history at Kevin Rudd shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. —MelbourneStartalk 04:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi MelbourneStar. How was your Saturday night? Beaglepack (talk) 05:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Beaglepack, it was wonderful indeed . Ps, I would kindly suggest you take a good long read of point of view editing. It may just make your time here on Wikipedia, more enjoyable. —MelbourneStartalk 05:07, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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