User talk:Atabəy

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User Behmod

Hi, I am sorry if you felt I was being unduly against you, Atabek, that was certainly not my intention. First of all I feel that you take every edit which is against you personally. I am neither anti-Azeri nor Anti-Turk as FYI, I am half Azeri and many of my family are Azeris. Also, I have intimate Azeri or Turkish(from Turkey)friends. I just have my point of view that might necessary the same with you, Dacy and even Hajipiruz. If you feel that we need to start talking. I am open to discuss these issues, away from the tension --behmod talk 16:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...

Why are you distorting facts? I have never revert warred.

• Nagorno-Karabakh War - [1] Where is my revert warring? I do not see a single Azeri user contesting any of my edits.
• Varoujan Garabedian - This edit (which was over a month ago) was a simple (and explained) removal of an unsourced statement and a highly controversial category. My next edit (a month later) has nothing to do with my previous revert and touches upon something to which I explained as well. And what do these ASALA articles have to do with Armenia-Azerbaijan 2? Maybe you have Pan-Turkic thoughts...I don't know but I do not see a link.
• ASALA - Where do you see any edits (let alone reverts) done by me on that article, I do not know. My last edit on that article was in April and it was a revert on vandalism.

Show me other Armenia-Azerbaijan linked reverts I have done, not "and other". - Fedayee 00:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

For the removal of the "See also", it is generally the way it is done in Wikipedia. When an article is already linked in the body, you do not need to double link it in a "See also". I learned this through a Peer Review at ARF article which is the reason that article does not have a "See also" section.

I can't believe you actually linked the Agarunov edit because you, of all people, should know that the neutral term we use on Wikipedia is capture. You do not know of occupy being POV? You do not know of resistance being POV? **Raising eyebrow**

The change on NK (done by a random IP) was not contested and that NK war page has been discussed over and over and over again and you know this very well.

I have explained the two Varoujan edits... - Fedayee 00:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Then tell me, do you see the word "occupy" being used once in the NK war article in regards to Armenia-Azerbaijan? Why should we differ the use from one article to the other? Capture is an obvious compromise Atabek, you know all this, I am preaching to the choir. - Fedayee 00:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Armenian and Azerbaijani editors reached this compromise with the help of admins. Occupy to you, the UN, the media of Azerbaijan but liberated to Armenians. The middle ground is best to avoid conflicts here on Wikipedia since we have them so often. - Fedayee 01:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly where in the NK article it was discussed but there are 12 archives and it was surely discussed over and over again (I, like you, was not part of any of these discussions). Nice try on the UN security resolution, it mentions only places outside Nagorno-Karabakh, NK is excluded thus making it considered disputed. And since Shushi is in NK then it is rightful to remain as neutral as possible in that disputed territory. Besides, I did not aggressively push my POV in that article, if I had done that, you would've seen "liberation of Shushi", I suggested a simple compromise that would avoid such conflicts. Your POV and "numbers" about "ethnic cleansing" are irrelevant to me and our discussion. - Fedayee 01:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Anna Dili

Sagh Olasan ! Baghishlasoz ke manim Azeri yazmaghim yaxchi dayir (Please forgive me if my Azeri writing is not good!) . Indeed the false image that is inducted in our northern brothers is a side effect of long lasting Russian occupation. Neither prohibition nor restriction is seen in learning mother tongue Azeri in Iran. The point is that Persian language has a very long and powerful tradition of literature and writing that is not comparable to our oral language (Azeri) .That does not diminish or humiliate our mother tongue or culture: that is a technical and historical reality. As you know, not only in Safavid, Qajar or any other Turkish language Iranian dynasty but also in ordinary people, the written and official language has been Persian, in both north and south of the Arass River. More than that, in the Ottoman Empire, the official language of the royal court was also Persian: that can't be called imposing the language.... I think that's important to notice the point that Hasan bey Zardabi was fighting to use Azeri language instead of Persian, 50 years after the Russian invasion and cessation of any political Iranian influence in Caucasus : that shows the usage of Persian was not (and is not ) by force . Zardabi himself wanted to use Azeri just because he was Narodnik and Sunni and he did thought that the backwardness and poverty of Muslim Caucasians stems in conventional roots and traditions: indeed he was against every thing that was old and in Azerbaijan that meant Azeri historical and cultural heritage plus written language that was mostly Iranian. The changing of the script from Latin to Cyrillic and Arabic shows that the Turkish language still does not have stability and formal figure. Talking with my friends in Baku, I find it out in writing Azeri, the constant dilemma is to write down that is spoken! But that's never the case in Persian, because almost every word has it's own known etymology and there is no problem in writing it down . I can't understand how is it possible to know Azeri and not to know Persian?! As an example you write " hormetli Alborz, eger sozum sizi injitdise, uzr isteyirem" : "Hormat" is from "Ehteraam" , respectfulness in Persian and Arabic , "Egar" is Persian , "M" in "soz" is Persian , " Uzr " is "Pardon " in Persian and Arabic ! / "Zardabi" is Persian : and not Sari - Sue (yellow water) / Azerbaijan is also from AZAR (fire) and bijan (baygan = fortress) and so on ....
Goxma ! bizim vazi oujur dayiir ke san fikr elisan! Gina da Tashakkour ...--Alborz Fallah 09:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Söhbətinizə qarışdığım üçün bağışlayın, yəgin ki siz etiraz etməsziniz. I agree that there are many Persian loan words in Azeri language, but at the same time there are over 1000 Azeri Turkic loan words in Persian. I do not agree that Azerbaijani language had no written tradition, it exists since at least 14th century. While I agree that Persian literary culture is a lot older, it does not mean that we have no literary culture of our own. This is the point, we should care about our language and culture, and it does not mean that it is pan-Turkism or whatever, it is normal for any people to promote your own literary tradition. I regret that the relations between Azerbaijani and Iranian users came to such a point that we had to apply to arbcom, I hope for successful future cooperation in editing wiki articles. Grandmaster 10:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

San da chox xhosh galdoz ...we where talking about the unreal image of discrimination against Iranian Azeri's. I can understand that in the Azerbaijan republic, they compare the Persians to Russians and Iran to USSR because of lack of information and media biases. But that's a false image. That's impossible to consider them alike .I know that the self esteem and dignity of our Azeri counterparts suffered a lot in conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan and also in struggle for independent identity for a new country. But I'm insisting the same is not true about Iran and Iranian Azeri's. That prejudice about "torturing and jailing people for demanding language right" (as atabek says) as an on-going tragedy in Iran, is totally unreal and impossible in Iran: Iran is not and has never been a country like USSR.

About the inconvenience in arbcom , I think all of this begin when Dacy reacted in an unfriendly manner in Iranian Azerbaijan history and threatened to get it to the arbcom. Do you think is there any other choice for someone like me(Iranian Azeri)other than choosing Iran, when some one claims that "degree of integration of Azerbaijanis in Iranian society" is diminished because a mere cartoon ,by a personal opinion and not based on any text ? And what can I do when a hypersensitive person reacts a simple edit with improper response?In contrast,Grandmaster may remember my contribution in Paytakaran and willingness to support his point of view --Alborz Fallah 17:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

• For Atabek: Well, about the "Iranian Elements in Azeri grammar and vocabulary ", I can recommend [2] (section ix. Iranian Elements in Azeri Turkish ).Borrowing per se is not the important point , as French words in English and Arabic in Persian, but the point is frequency of usage and heritage of a language in the written from. As an example , the Arabic words in the Persian language have a background of a thousand years usage in the written form and the PersoArabic script was invented and used by both of Arabic and Persian in the same time. Then the Persian language has no problem in writing down , pronunciation or ethimology of a word like "Ehteram" , but in Turkish , we still have to search for a cast to write our language : if the tradition of writing Turkish has a long and applied history , then why after so much time , in resent century , it's script changed for many times ? Why there is no single script of Turkish in the tombs, mosques, coins or personal documents? What has been the reason for almost every Azeri poet to write more in Persian than Azeri or for many to write only in Persian?
  About the Atorpat , the person's name itself is derived from the Persian word and the tile of Atorpat and Alexander was mentioned in an ancient Sasanid era book that it's name is Arda viraf nameh. Still in Persian, the word Azar means fire and is the name of the 9th month of the year, and the word padegan is used as an army fortress: that does not need any sophisticated etymologyical discussion. --Alborz Fallah 18:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I would say that USSR was lot more liberal in terms of cultural autonomy that Iran ever was. While USSR was a totalitarian regime, it granted all people the right to promote their language and culture. For instance, in USSR Azerbaijani language had an official state language status along with Russian in the Azerbaijan SSR. All the official documents in Azerbaijan needed to be prepared in 2 languages, Russian and Azerbaijani. Even passports had 2 title pages, one in Russian and 1 in Azeri. There was a state run television channel in Azerbaijani language, plenty of newspapers, books, radio channels, etc. Azerbaijani language was taught in all schools, even Russian language schools had Azerbaijani language lessons. Same with universities in Azerbaijan SSR. You cannot say that Azerbaijani language has any status in Iran. The point of all this is not to make any anti-Iranian statement, I just brought this up since you mentioned USSR. In any case, I think we should refrain from confrontational approach and edit the articles in cooperation. I know that you are a good person, interested in the history of our region, and I’m sure we can improve the articles by joint efforts. Grandmaster 05:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing

Why do you continue to canvass every single report un-related to me with accusations against me Atabek? Because several Iranian editors are involved in editing Iran related articles this makes them all meat puppets? What about you, Dacy69 and your other pals? Dont you all edit several of the same articles? Why is that the only person throwing around accusations is you, have I ever called your friends meat puppets? If everyone on Wikipedia who edits in a certain way can be called a meat puppet, then that would make all Wikipedia's meat puppets, as every single Wikipedian has to take one side or another on an issue, because we all have our own opinions. What a ridiculous accusation to make, its completely based on "well, you edited there, and he edited there, so you guys must be meat puppets!" that makes no sense. I have told you several times to stop canvassing, but it seems that you just keep doing it more in an attempt to get me frustrated.Hajji Piruz 14:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom Injunction violation - Block

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with your revert parole Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 16:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Repeated RfC claim

I'm not sure why you keep saying that Hajji Piruz convinced me to file an RfC against you. As can clearly be seen from the history of the RfC, Piruz filed the RfC, not me. What I did, certifying the RfC, is neither filing an RfC against you nor suggesting that Piruz is right. -- tariqabjotu 04:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

My remark

• I changed it as you said. Indeed I don't want to say anything against you and my involvement is only a misunderstanding .I'm not familiar with all of these process's and I don't know how to prove I'm not all that Dacy wrote against me . All that I have done was to delete a single sentence that I thought was not sourced, and indeed that sentence about "integration of ..." was not in the original article. Anyway, I would do my best to satisfy all.--Alborz Fallah 12:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Well, As I said before, there is no real point of conflict between me and Dacy for an agreement tobe achieved ! Simply , he does not want me anything to do or anything to change!! There is a on-going conflict between he and some of the Iranian editors and I'm the innocent bystander...I not sure if his exclusion of my name will have any effects in present time or not ?
• About the image , it may not fit to the copy right codes of Wikipedia , but the other site's codes are more simple. I think you might say : "so attempts to upload it elsewhere and present again here are not quite congruent with copyright ethics ", that would be right only if that book was not an educational book! That book is published for a non-commercial , educational perpose and mentioning it anywhere may not violate it's goal of publication ; same as to copy and publish propaganda sheets of a candidate in elections. Anyway ; again I would do my best to change it to an acceptable state.The best thing that is possible for you is to have a research about this book:I think after Iranian government's protest about this book , the book has been changed , and the best answer is to show that change . After Elçibay, there have been a great improvement in Iran-Azerbijan's relations, and that can be mentioned in the article by showing the change in this minor topics.If you post me the new book-cover's image, we will change the article to a positive state.
  In the case of Great Armenia, if any map shows Iranian (or Turkey's or Azerbaijan) territory with the flag of Armenia , that is quite protestable.Historical maps of the dynasties like Safavid's is not in this category , because they (Safavids)are heritage of a group of countries (e.g : Iran , Azerbijan, Kurds and Sheia)and not only Iran.Again about that textbook , I have to mention the fact that never in Iran , there have been a border between Azeries and other Iranian people and if we where going to show the places that "Azerbaijani people have historically resided" , we also have to show the Khorasan proviance(Mostly North part of it ),Fars(qashghayi) , Mazandaran , Gorgan and Tehran itself! And if we use the term Median equal to Azerbijani , that would be impossible to depict a mere line or border any where in Iran to separate Azeris from the other Iranians.
  Thankyou again and have a nice time... --Alborz Fallah 08:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• • • Sorry for intervention, but from what I could see that book was published back in 1994. Such textbooks are not used anymore. Grandmaster 09:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote. I think all of this should be mentioned in the article:both the first and the second history text and the positive changes .Iranian government and Iranian people have very strong ties with the Azerbaijani people and the reason for the cold relations should be mentioned. Finding the roots of coldness is not only a foreign relations need , but also an internal obsession .--Alborz Fallah 23:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I would not say that the relations between the two countries are cold. I think they are good, it is just some people on both sides who make them look tense. The current article on relations between the two countries contains too much negative info and too little info on positive aspects. Grandmaster 05:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Considering the potential that exist between Iran and Azerbaijan and comparing with Turkey (that has lesser cultural ties to Azerbaijan republic), the relations between twin nations are bitter cold. There exists a point of view in Azerbaijani community (mostly north of Arass and to a lesser extent in Iran itself) that accuses Iran not to support Azerbaijan in Azeri-Armenian war as it was supposed. Then mentioning the causes and existence of this problem is useful for both Iran and Azerbaijan, for internal and external reasons. If we show the previous problems that are now solved, that's the best help for the relations of the twin countries. --Alborz Fallah 08:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty examples of successful cooperation, and while users on both sides are more concerned about digging any possible negative stuff, we should make some effort to include positive info. I will do some research, even though I’m quite busy with arbcom and other issues. But it is true, many people in Azerbaijan view Iran as an ally of Armenia. Grandmaster 09:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Anoshirawan

User:Anoshirawan is a new sockpuppet of User:Tajik, I am 100% sure, can you do a checkuser on him or report him to admins. He is going around vandalising articles and pushing his POVs as usual. Check Ahmad Shah Durrani article, where he claims was the king of Khorasan, but the encyclopedia Britannica reference clearly states he was King of Afghanistan. Tajik is also calling "Afghans" as "Afghanistanis", which is something nobody use. You may delete this message.--Rabeenaz 15:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Why are you asking me to file a checkuser? You seem to be another provocative sockpuppet, with whom I have no association. Atabek 15:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hajj Piruj

Sorry, I had not seen that - my mistake. Perspicacite 00:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

VikiProje Türkiye'ye davet / Invitation to join WikiProject Turkey

Merhaba, sizin VikiProje Türkiye'ye katılabileceğinizi düşündük. Ayrıca yalnız başınıza ya da diğer kullanıcılarla birlikte Türkiye ile ilgili maddeleri düzenleyip geliştirebilirsiniz. Eğer projemize katılmak istiyorsanız lütfen katılımcılar sayfasını ziyaret edin ve adınızı yazın ya da projenin tartışma sayfasına tıklayın. Eğer herhangi bir sorunuz varsa benimle ya da bir başka VikiProje Türkiye üyesi ile bağlantı kurabilirsiniz. Hi, I was thinking that maybe you would like to join the WikiProject Turkey. There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Turkey-related articles. If you would like to get involved, just visit the participants page and/or inquire at the project's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or other member of the WikiProject Turkey.

--Absar 11:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edits

Removing sourced content and then adding "alleged" is vandalism. Please stop. IrishGuy ^talk 22:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Iranian states

Hi,

Would you please take a look at List of Iranian states and empires. The article claims that Ottoman Empire was an Iranian state and to justify this cites some sources that only mention some cultural borrowings from Persians. But the same arguement can be made about Arabs, Greeks, etc. But nobody calls Ottomans an Arab or Greek state! I tried to fix the problem but some editors keep pushing their POV.Heja Helweda 16:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Azeri film

Check out Balaxanıda neft fontanı only a few thousand film to go! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 21:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't beleive there is only one film on wikipedia!!! There is over a thousand!! Someday I hope we will have a detailed article on each film.

I just added another film and I created

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 21:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you help with rewording the lettering into english. The titles don't have to be translated but the Azeri lettering needs to be anglicanized ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 21:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

For instance Qafqaz və Merkuri cəmiyyətinin paroxodunun limandan yola düşməsi ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 21:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes although I usually prefer to keep the original title without the Azeri lettering but the english stated in the intro ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 22:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I just started Bibiheybətde neft fontanı yanğını -thats four films started. If you could also help translate from Azeri wikipedia -it has a bit of info!! this would be of enormous benefit. Unfortunately I don't know any Azeri!! I'm off to bed now but I'm sure I can continue tomorrow ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 22:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

That perfect exactly what I meant. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 22:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. Lets get all the Azeri films onto English wikipedia huh and put imdb to shame!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 22:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You might be right actually that english works better with the titles. The Oil Fountain at ... would look Ok do you tthink? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

However I would like to keep the Azeri titles in the film lists with the english by the side ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC) I would suggest the Azeri title then a br (< >) -a BREAK with the english underneath. Good work so far!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just started Ahmed Aghdamski look good?. Azeri wikipedia has tons of info on him!!! Yes it is difficult deciding whether to translate the titles. I think English should be OK as long as the original Azeri title is also in bold in the article intro . Also if there is a cast this goes in a section with the characters they playerd -its just the actor names in the info box ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 10:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ia dded the plot to The Cloth Peddler -good work. I know about the infobox. I've brought it up at WP Films before. I would like to see columns for Art direction, Sound department, genre, casting and second unit. Maybe we could propose it again as for the earlier films these are particularly relevant. Also the column Choreographer is important for Indian films in particular ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 10:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I know - see The Cloth Peddler. The 1945 version was the most famous - google has lots of screenshots of it. I selected a general opera image to illustrate ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 10:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow thats interesting!!! I've started Aleksandr Mişon. If you could help translate from Azerbaijani wikipedia this would be great - he was the pioneer of Azeri cinema after all. Remember though to do the Azeri title redirects to the English ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 10:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Good. I'v now started Boris Svetlov. Now I will start all the films 1898-1919 ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 11:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Any idea if Uzeyir Hajibeyov was also a film score composer? I've done some more now. I'll try to add a few more later. The list from 1964-present hasn't even been listed yet ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 12:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Azeri film companies

Hi I need you to check this. Can you see Ağ-Qara Filmlər and Qısametrajlı Sənədli Filmlər. Is one a producer or one a distributor?. I need you to distinguish between them and whether the info is correct first before I add any more films ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 08:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi can you add the translated titles to List of Azerbaijani films: 1920s when you have spare moment cheers ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 14:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Progess may be slow though as I am doing a lot of work on France and American at present which are perhaps the two largest. Check out French films of the 1920s compared the French films of 1940 and you'll see I've begun!!! Hey Garry Kasparov is from Baku isn't he? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 18:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I always associate countries like Hungary, Bulgaria, Russia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia as having some of the worlds geniuses at chess -there seem so many from these countries in the profesion. The Polgar girls are from Hungary and the current world champion is Bulgarian I think. Kasparov reportedly has an IQ of around 190! Incredible genius. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 18:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

With the Azeri films the best thing I think you can do is gradually ensure all the titles have the english wikified ready for starting. Note though I only got as far as 1964 adding the titles. I think it more important to complete the tables first with direcor and cast details also than starting the articles at present. This way we have a firm basis to add all the pages from. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 18:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Youtube

I don't know of a specific policy, but considering he put it in multiple articles, without formatting, without summary, I figured it was POV spam. I could be wrong. --Golbez 04:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Azerbaijani handball players

Hi, my name is Martin and I am currently working on the Olympic handball tournaments. Now I have created three articles about Azerbaijani handball players and I would like to ask you for some help as I have seen, that you have done already a lot of contributions to biographies. The players are: Larisa Savkina, Rafiga Shabanova and Lyudmila Shubina. Mainly it would be great if you can add their names in Azerbaijani language and to have a look, if their names were transliterated correctly into English. Many thanks in advance and :) Doma-w 23:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Khojali

I've added it to the footer template, that should be sufficient. --Golbez 01:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Closed

The case in which you were involved in was closed. According to the records, you were placed on revert parole (now called revert limitations), and as such, you are affected by this remedy, which places you on supervised editing. You may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should you fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in your interactions with another editor concerning disputes which may arise.

You may view the full decision at the case page here.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 00:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Mamuka Kikaleishvili

Hi Atabek. Thanks for the article. I'll work on it. Cheers, --Kober^Talk 04:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Vakhtang Kikabidze

Done it. Will add more details later. Best, --Kober^Talk 07:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Reverts by Hetoum I

I believe that I'm at fault in this case, I was not entirely clear in the warning I gave. I have clarified it, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your images

Hi, I've had to tag several of your recent image uploads for deletion. Please make sure you understand our image copyright policies, especially WP:NFCC, before uploading more images. Thank you, Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let's see, about those images:

• All images: need reference to the exact, original source. In the case of screenshots, that's the name of the movie or programme it's ultimately taken from, plus any website that contained the photo (in case you didn't make the screenshot yourself).
• Image:Rustam Ibrahimbeyov.jpg - no way this could be saved, because it's a living person so it's replaceable with a free photo somebody might make some day.
• Image:The Scoundrel (1988 film).jpg - needs source info explaining who made that weird montage of the three heads cut together in different sizes. Plus, needs an explanation of what you actually intend to show with it: does it show something characteristic about the characters of the movie, about its artistic style, about what? Plus, the article itself should actually refer to this. Remember, "fair use" is all about doing "critical commentary or analysis", so there should actually be some analysis of what the image shows, in the text.
• Image:Anecdote (1989 film) 1.jpg - same as above. Plus, it needs to be removed from Rasim Balayev, because as a portrait of the actor it's replaceable.
• Image:Mirzaagha Aliyev.JPG - you might want to check if this is public domain by now (being published more than 70 years ago, there's a chance it might be, depending on the laws of the country.) If it is, you're fine; if not, the same rules apply as for those above.
• Image:Mamuka Kikaleishvili.jpg - since he's now dead and no new free images can be produced, we generally tend to tolerate non-free images a bit more liberally. Again, you need to specifiy the exact source, and give an explanation of why you need the image - is it a particularly well-known role of his? a particularly important stage in his career? a characteristic pose or style of appearance?

HTH, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, those two look good now. Just go ahead with the others; I'll take another look at them some time later and remove the tags (or some other reviewing admin will.) As I said, only the Ibrahimbeyov one will probably have to be deleted anyway. --Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Interest

Azer gardash, this will interest you [3]. Yiyim. Iberieli 15:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Atabek. Sure, i'll try to find Azeri brother, no problem. How are things in beautiful Baku? Gurcustan + Azerbaican = gardash :) yiyim. Iberieli 03:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Azeri brother, thanks a lot. I will email you. You should also resolve the Khojaly massacre photo issue. Its under attack. Thanks. Iberieli 17:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Warning Ban related to ArbCom remedy

Atabek, comments like "I am not an expert on spiritual or moral matters, but what's your opinion on deliberate removal of evidence, link or reference to blinding, maiming and brutal murder of a 3-4-year old child by as you would call it "heroes", "liberators" or "fedayins", relating to the topic of this article. Is this also WP:SOAP?" [4] are unacceptable. That's an incivil implication that an editor was removing a video for motives other than copyright concerns. "Or perhaps, the attempt is to prove further that no Azeri soul resided in this city built by Azeri Panah-khan?" [5] is similar, and is covered by this ArbCom remedy. Stirring up the pot like this is not helpful and if there are future incivil comments like these I will ban you from the relevant articles or block you for one week.--Chaser - T 19:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I missed something. I am enacting a ban under that remedy. The ban applies for four days to the articles liberally included in the remedy. The comment I take issue with is: "But the most important question is, what's your moral stance on supporting the recognition of Armenian massacres as genocide, while removing images or videos of Khojaly Massacre? Do you think the extreme savagery, with which those innocent children on pictures or videos were murdered, should not be made public because those children were Azeri?" [6] for reasons explained above (this is continuing the same insinuations and mixing the issues). This ban will be enforced by block if necessary and extended if a ban violation involves any further incivility.--Chaser - T 20:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC) If it wasn't clear from the previous remarks, this applies to the articles' talk pages, as well.--Chaser - T 03:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Chaser, please, explain why you were first warning above at 19:53, 2 September 2007 and then enacting a ban at 03:42, 3 September 2007, when I never signed in or edited Wikipedia between the two dates of warning and a ban? Also, please, explain in detail on how this comment [7], is supposed to be incivil? Thanks. Atabek 21:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

There are three time stamps in my comments above, two in the second paragraph. The third time stamp was an afterthought from yesterday evening. The first two were much earlier. I've explained why it's uncivil above, as well. In the meantime, please don't edit articles or talk pages and then self-revert. You're welcome to make work copies of those articles in your userspace until the ban expires, which will be 6 September, 20:09. Thank you for your cooperation.--Chaser - T 23:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Chaser, I am aware of the stamps. However, ArbCom remedy here clearly says: "The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them.". Given the explanation in second remedy for the procedure in first remedy, I don't quite understand why first rule was chosen for me without second, while in case of User:Hetoum I, it was the second rule only. As I said, I never signed in to Wikipedia between your warning and the ban, and I believe second would be consequence of not following the warning per ArbCom remedy. Also for consistency, I expect some form of response on this [8], after all, ArbCom decisions should apply equally to all edits with incivilities. Thanks. Atabek 06:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The point is the warning above was a mistake. The warning should have been a ban to begin with. No prior warning is required. Remedy one applies to everyone who was in the prior case. Remedy two applies to everyone else. They're separate.--Chaser - T 07:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the second remedy here says: "...shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility.". I don't see how "any editor" would exclude those in first ArbCom, or somehow treat User:Hetoum I different from myself. Moreover, no supervised editing or civility paroles were explicitly spelled out in remedies to the first ArbCom to begin with. Atabek 07:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, do you disagree that the first remedy applies to you?--Chaser - T 07:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I have an issue with selective application of the remedies, especially because:

• ArbCom Remedy 1 says: "Hajji Piruz and the other users placed on revert limitation in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Remedies are subject to supervised editing. They may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should they fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in their interactions with one another concerning disputes which may arise."
• ArbCom Remedy 2 says: "The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them."

I don't see how highlighted text above does not apply to me, while it somehow applies to User:Hetoum I, especially given the fact that both of us were applied the supervised editing and civility parole in ArbCom 2 first time. In fact, I also have an issue with some second ArbCom participants getting just strict 1RR restriction, and other, not less disruptive group, just getting a conditional 1RR based on civility. Did this lessen the disruptive revert warring by those "supervised" editors in any way? From past week, I don't see how. Atabek 07:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The first remedy applies instead of the second because ArbCom has already handled two cases with editors included in the first remedy. After two ArbCom cases no one should need any more warnings. Let me spell it out. We waste a lot of community time disciplining editors who edit this site disruptively in various ways. ArbCom is the last step of dispute resolution. It means that about a dozen hard-working people who were elected by the community at large took a long time to look into a matter and craft a resolution. If, after going through this process twice, editors are still doing the same thing, we don't have much more tolerance for it, and the regime of warnings before topical bans is over and finished. They used to call this probation, but decided to change the name to get away from legal metaphors. If thinking of it terms of probation helps you understand it, then I don't really care if someone considers it politically incorrect.--Chaser - T 07:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Chaser, thanks, I am well versed in English to understand what "probation" means, and I don't ask you to repeal my ban. However, I was only seeking consistency and explanation in application of remedies/probations/supervised editing, whatever they're termed as to all editors. And yes, it means that if User:VartanM says that I am a member of User:AdilBaguirov's team, it's the same assumption of bad faith and incivility as me questioning moral stance for removing an image of slaughtered children from the relevant massacre website. ArbCom 2 principle clearly spells out that good faith must be assumed. The remedies for ArbCom 2 are worded clearly, in text which I highlighted above. And I think the remedies and principles of ArbCom, especially when they clearly state "any editor" apply to everyone not just to those who went through previous ArbCom. Atabek 08:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

And to add to that another assumption of bad faith by User:TigranTheGreat - here. Atabek 08:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Remedies v. principles

What you mention here is a principle in that case, not a remedy. Remedies are the enforceable parts of Arbcom decisions. However, I will leave a message to VartanM as a third party.--Chaser - T 18:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But I would like to still ask for another independent review of the material. I understand that it's a principle, but so it was in my case, when it was simply branded as incivility. And I would like to remind you here, what WP:CIVIL states: "Petty examples that contribute to an uncivil environment: -- Lies". Without proofs that User:AdilBaguirov has a team, and another claim that "I am a member of that team", such statements are a lie and disrupt the article edits, hence it's a clear violation of WP:CIVIL as well. So please, don't archive it, until the violation has been fully addressed. Atabek 18:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Fine.--Chaser - T 18:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I've closed the thread. An arbitrator has now weighed in. We don't have time for endless due process and 28 appeals. The issue is closed.--Chaser - T 01:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment removals

Just out of curiosity, may I ask why you removed your comments: [9], [10]?Hajji Piruz 19:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. I am making the effort, and I hope that you also make the effort. Thanks.Hajji Piruz 22:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Second talk page request, please remember to assume good faith regarding all users, whether parties to the arbcom or not.Hajji Piruz 05:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Request

Before I engage further, I'll have to review the issue. My revert was merely to eliminate the redundant phrasing but not proved, which has the same meaning as 'alleged'. I came across it while on anti-vandal patrol. The other issue looks to be part of a larger dispute that I would really have to look into. I can't look into it right away, but I'll try tomorrow. Dreadstar † 09:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to do a little research on the motivations and reasons why Garabedian was killing Turkish citizens, but there don't seem to be many sources. Are there books or other news reports which descirbe his motivations or reasons? I'm looking at this from a verifiability and original research perspective. Dreadstar † 16:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:The Scoundrel (1988 film).jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:The Scoundrel (1988 film).jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 16:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC) Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 16:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello - regarding this image, my issue is not with the fair use rationale, which is fine. My issue is that the image itself is not encyclopedic since it is a "home made" chop of different images. I would rather use an official image from the film or no image at all. Feel free to comment on the deletion page linked in my comment to you - if you make a good argument against deleting it I'm sure it will remain. Thanks! --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 20:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong you Pan-Turksists?

You and all your buddies are trying really hard to ban Persian or Persian origin people from Wiki with your false "sock puppet" allegations. You managed to ban Tajik on your FALSE allegation of him being Tajik-Professor. You knew they weren't the same person but you saw it as an opportunity to get rid of him. And now you and your friends are at it again trying to ban others. Cut it out. -- Behnam 02:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Image on user page

Hi there, please remove Image:Khojaly003.jpg from your user page. Per item #9 of our non-free content policy, fair use images are only allowed in articles. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 21:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I see that now. I removed the deletion notice since the image is being debated. It still shouldn't be on your user page - a better approach would be just to place a notice on the image Talk page that its use is the subject of a debate. Hopefully, no one will delete it until you can decide whether it will go in the article. The bigger question is that the image itself has a questionable copyright status; it may need to be deleted just for that reason. I will do a little research on the matter. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 21:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hm, it seems that copyright status is satisfactory for now. I wouldn't worry about pursuing permissions unless you want to e-mail them and ask them to release the photo under the GFDL. There are instructions for doing so at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission if you are interesting in pursuing the matter. As to the other question: the image simply cannot be anywhere outside of an article unless you get the copyright holders to release it under the GFDL. That includes sandboxes and so on. I won't get involved in the debate over including the image in the article, but it is my job to make sure policies are followed. Thanks! --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 22:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Regarding your comment

And Azerbaijan did the same thing by expelling all Armenians from Azerbaijan. It attacked Artsakh first and not the other way around, who knows what it would've done to the Armenians of Artsakh if it had managed to occupy it (See Sumgait, Kirovabad, Maraghar). And our churches are violated and continue to be violated today in Turkey, exactly the way you have shown me in those forum pictures but there is one difference; our churches are in ruins or being converted to ridiculous and insulting museums in Turkey while Armenians have preserved the mosque and Muslim cemetary and it's actually re-building damaged mosques with the help of Persians. Not to mention that Azerbaijan targeted our churches during the war...

I'm sorry if the Azerbaijani government, instead of spewing hate and arming itself to its teeth with the huge oil revenues, does not decide to spend a little percentage of that wealth on the well-being of the Azeri refugees who unfortunately live in railcars.

Also, if you claim to not "compare" massacres, or numbers of dead or anything, then what's this? Your choice of words in that link are fascinating too; dead for Armenians, butchered for Azerbaijanis.

BTW Atabek, gotta mind WP:SOAP #2; Wikipedia is not forum. - Fedayee 23:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, yes. Evil Armenians were the first to expel Azerbaidjanians while Armenians just... "left" Azerbaijan. I'm surprised they supposedly stayed that long regarding the multiple pogroms in the late 80s in Azerbaijan, including in Baku where women were raped and people killed in the middle of the street.

I'm guessing you have never heard that Armenians used to live in an area called Western Armenia, which is much further than European watched Constantinople (aka Istanbul), where the vast majority of non-forcefully converted Armenians live. Our churches in the occupied Western Armenian homelands are in the exact same shape, no wait, even worse than the picture you have shown me on that forum. Turkish army used it as target practise, it was used as stables, as museums, hell people actually ripped apart the Khachkars and used them as stairs! Why can't Armenians go to service in Akhtamar? The Blue Mosque in Yerevan is still standing without it being a stable, without grafitis, even being re-built. Same thing can be said for that Baku church you name, no Armenians pray in it because there are no Armenians left. Same goes for Western Armenia. And let's not start about the Khachkar destruction which happened a decade after the ceasefire...

Okay, so the government of Azerbaijan will let its people live in railcars, won't help them at least temporarily to live more comfortable lives all in the dream that they will "return" one day to their "homelands"? Sure, I guess they can return to the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and become citizens.

Point remains that you indeed did compare between people and numbers and viewed 25 killed Armenians inferior to the supposed 600+ dead in Khojaly. - Fedayee 03:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You are correct Atabek, people who scalp children are inhumane but that should be said to the OMON who scalped their own people as the scalping was done after the corridor was open and a journalist had already seen that no bodies had scalping deaths. I wonder where were the Armenian prisoners who were kept in Khojaly and who until now are missing. They were probably killed by the OMON and scalped so that there is no possibility of identification and eventually passed as yet another "Azeri killed" by Armenians. It's a pity that i've been dragged into this soapboxing despite my warning... I rest my case. - Fedayee 00:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Salam

Salam Atabəy. Azərbaycan kinosu məqalələrini ingiliscəyə tərcümə etdiyin üçün TƏŞƏKKÜR edirəm. Təəssüf ki, bu sahə ilə maraqlanan azdır. Ancaq hər məqaləyə şəkil də yükləsən əla olar license olaraq Screenshots-u qoya bilərsən. Müəllif olaraq da məni göstər. Mənim az vikidə işim başımdan aşdığı üçün tərcüməyə vaxt ayıra bilmirəm. Ona görə səndən xahiş edirəm bu işə başqalarını cəlb etsən daha effektiv olar. Ancaq sənin də əməyin təqdirəlayiqdir. Uğrurlar!

Bir şeyi də ssoruşmaq istəyirəm. Yaramaz üçün yüklədiyin şəkli niyə sildilər. Əsas olaraq nəyi göstərdilər. Axı şəkil kollajı heç də qanunauyğun deyil. Deməli mənim azəri vikidə yerləşdiriim şəkilləri də gələcəkdə Vikimedia siləcək? Buna görə çox narahat oldum. Əgər bir məlumatın varsa mənə yaz. Axı bu iş əziyyətli işdir. Yoxsa kimsə rahatca bunu silsə mənə çox pis təsir edər. Cavabını gözləyirəm.şş —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.69.48.196 (talk) 03:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hörmətlə Vüsal Ağayev —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.69.48.196 (talk) 03:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Your template

Hi Atabek I saw your templace on Nasimi. I like your template but it needs several corrections in my opinion. Fizuli, as well as Bakikhanov, Akhundov and Sabir wrote in Persian as well. Actually Fizuli wrote much more in Persian than Arabic. Bakhikhanov I believe wrote most of his work in persian where-as Sabir and Akhundov have had a less of an output in Persian. Fizuli's Persian output is extensive. His Persian output is either first or seconds (judging from his Encyclopedia of Islam article). On the name "Literature of Azerbaijan", I think there should be some note for some of the famous poets: "also part of the literature of Persia" or "overlaps also with the literature of Iran". Mainly the classical guys. I am going to add two other writes in the classical sections. Thanks for the template. --alidoostzadeh 18:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

User page

I don't know if anyone's ever said anything about this to you, but your user page really isn't the place to parade around your ideological biases.. you condemning a massacre as a crime against humanity is totally unrelated to wikipedia (and may land you in a dispute if you try to clean up the related article, even if you're totally neutral-POV), and it seems like you're just using your user page to spread your beliefs.. --froth^t 02:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Raffi Kojian

Thanks for your nice swipe at me. You apparently either do not know how to click on a link to see what the linked to page says, or you do not know English. I don't know which is the case, but anyone can see that the page that somebody linked to on Armeniapedia merely shows that the name of Fizuli has been changed by the Karabakh government to Varanda. That is a fact, whether you accept it or not, and your insulting me will neither get you back Fizuli, Varanda, nor your self respect. --RaffiKojian 17:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Well if what you wrote about me was not an attack, what I wrote here is much less. The link to Armeniapedia, which I did not add, was merely referencing that the de-facto independent state of Karabakh, which controls Fizuli, has renamed it. This is a simple fact. Your personal attack on me and my site (yes, I consider it an attack) was completely uncalled for. Just because I am Armenian does not mean I cannot be NPOV. Again, you can go on and on about official recognition and all the rest of that business, but this is an encyclopedia, and the Armenians who control Fizuli have renamed it and that is a fact which needs to be reflected on Wikipedia, and that is all that was taken from my site, and you need to deal with that, rather than insult me and then try to explain to me that it officially belongs to Azerbaijan. --RaffiKojian 04:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Administrators' Noticeboard notice

Hello Atabəy. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you.

Davnel03 13:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Golbez and mediation... You could possibly request an additional mediator from MedCab, or start an RfC on the article topic. If there is truly a conduct issue, you could initiate a user conduct RfC (it requires two involved editors to certify) and see where that leads you. Unfortunately, articles involving nationalist tensions are the most difficult to edit throughout Wikipedia. In most controversial subjects, tendentious editors typically remain only as long as there is a controversy to argue. You may find that if you let it lie for awhile and come back, the situation will have resolved itself to some extent. Again though, with nationalism, this is sometimes less likely. I should point out, however, that in my view the national origin of editors should be irrelevant - the object is to provide a neutral explanation of facts without any identifiable point of view. Perhaps if you focused your editing on non-controversial facts (demographics, geography, non-conflict related historical events etc.) you might be able to establish a pattern of cooperation with the other editors on the article that would allow you to solve the more controversial issues in time. Wikipedia has no time limit, and aside from legal issues there is no real urgency to develop content. It is preferable to remove obviously biased material so as not to mislead readers, but in most cases its easier to leave some controversial pieces of information out entirely if an agreement on its treatment can not be reached. Hope my two cents help. Some references: WP:3O, WP:DR and WP:WQA. These may be of some use. WP:AN/I is really for specific incidents where the buttons of an administrator can be put to use, administrator opinions really have no additional weight in pure content disputes. Avruch talk 03:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Advice and Support needed

Hello, Atabek. I posted an argument about NK article. I want the article to be split, so that it is not manipulative. Please let me know what you think and support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh Thank you.--12insan 03:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Independent Khanates

Salaam!
As I was previously interested in this topic (look at [11]), I have gathered some documents about this topic as evidence. I thought we can discuss them between ourselves (and perhaps Grandmaster) and make them fit to the Khanates articles. If you are interested, I will post the scans of the documents for you.I think let's improve that articles by joint efforts (Biz grah ozumoz bir natijeye yetirragh! )--Alborz Fallah 19:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to post them here or do I have to post them via e-mail ? ( then what's the add.?)--Alborz Fallah 20:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• This is the image of the letter that Javad Khan , Khan of Ganja , wrote to Tsitsianov.

Javad Khan's letter to Tsitsianov-Page 1

Javad Khan's letter to Tsitsianov-Page2

Javad Khan's letter to Tsitsianov-Page3

Javad Khan's handwritten letter(or his Secretary)to Tsitsianov has clear sentences about his relation with the Qajar kings and his dependency to Iran.
In page one , Javad khan clearly talks about Ganja as "one of the provinces ( VELAYAT ) of Iran ..." ( line 12 )
In page two ( line 6 , 7 and 8 ) , he says : " In that time (6 years ago (alborz)) that we became under the Russian role , the Iranian king was in Khorasan , and we couldn't reach him , and because the russian king was also a great man , we agree to do as he wished , but now , thanks to Allah ,he (shah) is near us and his servant general is coming this way and his army is approaching"
In page three ( line 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 & 8) , he says : " If you want to fight , we are ready to fight . If you want to brag about your cannons and artillery , thanks to god , our cannon is not weaker than yours and if your cannon is one Gaz (94 to 104 cm (alborz)) , ours is 3 to four Gaz , and the god's well is in our side , and who knows you are more brave than the Qizilbash ?(In that time that meant Iranian or who was in Iranian side : I can prove that by means of the other letters such as the Mostafa khan e Shirvani to Gudovich and etc.) You have seen your fight and you have not seen Qizilbash's way of fight .... --Alborz Fallah 12:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• You asked:"And what's the purpose of this material on the page about khanates? Does it establish some kind of a fact?"
  I think the word "Independent" can be modified by a more neuter word, or at least we can avoid that word in the title of a main section. There are some other documents (letters) available for other khanates like Mohammad Hasan Khan (ruler of Shaki),Mohammad Hasan Khan (Erivan khanate), Slim khan shaki (next ruler of shaki),Shaykh Ali Khan (Quba Khanate?),Sarkhay khan-i- Lezgi and Mehdi Qulu Khan Javanshir (Karabakh khanate).Plus some pages of the books like Abd-Al-Razagh Dumbuli's Maaser Sultaniyen and Abbasgulu Bakikhanov's Golestan-i Iram.--Alborz Fallah 21:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Full translation :
The letter of "Javad Khan" to "Tsitsianov" (1218.AH) (1182 AP / 1803 A.D)

At this time, the letter that you sent has been received. And you wrote:" In the era of yore, the land of Dedeh-faal of Ganja was subordinate to Georgia. No one has ever heard of such words. But know that our ancestors like Abbas Qoli Khan and others were rulers of Georgia and if you do not believe this, then question the old folks of Georgia with regards to the Abbas Qoli Khan and ask them if he was the ruler or not.[As a sign of this proof,] currently his mosque and market place are in Georgia. And the kingly clothes bestowed upon his servants as well as his letters/documents are with the people of Georgia or not. From the days of the Erekli Khan's father and our father, the borders between Ganja and Georgia were clearly defined. And we do not need to mention these facts, because if we say that our ancestors were the sovereigns of Georgia, no one on your side will believe it and they will not bestow Georgia upon us.

You also wrote, six years ago, I gave away the fort of Ganja to the ruler of Russia. This is true, at that time, your ruler wrote letters to all the provinces of Iran and also to us and we accepted the letter and gave the fort. Whenever the king[of Russia] wrote us a decree with regards to Ganja, then make that decree clear so that we may observe that decree and apply it. And you wrote to us “We were a client of Georgia”, then know it that right now the letter of your king [the king of Russia] in is our hands and in that letter, you can see that our title was Beglarbegi (governor) of ganja and not a client of Georgia and thus your words are in contradiction with your [own] decree. And the other thing that when we get under the role of the Russian king, the Iranian king were to Khorasan and we could not reach him, and due to that [fact] the king of Russia is also great, we accepted his obedience, but now, thanks to god, the Iranian king is near and his servant general has come to us and also his army, and more of them will come [to help us].

You also wrote that “Georgia belongs to the king [of Russia] and you [- Javad Khan-] obtain fees from the merchants”. This is correct, but the first day that you entered Georgia, we wrote to you and sent men and made it clear that the Nasib is our servant and he has became rebellious and he had sealed from the merchants under our command and we thought that you were the servant of the [Russian] king and you would do as justice and take back the belongings of our merchants and hand us Nasib and other Shamss al-dinlu's that had became rebellious to us ,but you did nothing .And you can see yourself –and don't relay on the saying of the others – that the goods that we took , was from the Shamkori servants that are from Ganja and not from the Georgians.

And whenever you seek for a battle, know that we are ready for battle and if you boast about your cannon and guns, thanks to mercy God, our cannon and guns is no less than yours. And if your canons are one gaz [meter] know that our canons are three/four gazs [meters] and victory is [only] due to God. And how do you know if you are braver than the Qizilbash [Iranian army], you have seen yourself fighting but have not seen the fighting of Qizilbash. And you have written that to us to be ready for battle. From the time that you came to Shamss al-Dinlu and brought our people under your command, we have been preparing and we are ready for the day of battle if you want to fight. And when you wrote:" If you do not accept our words in this letter than misfortunate will strike”, we know such thoughts have brought you here. Fate has brought you from St. Petersburg to that misfortune here. With the will of God, the highest, may your misfortune become apparent.--Alborz Fallah 11:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Tajik

Atabek, you have already been exposed as an editor who is just hear to spread his Pan-Turkist POV's and get users who might be against your POVs BANNED! I've spoken to several admins, and they AGREE that user: Tajik is NOT user: Tajik-Professor, and ofcoarse they would agree since I know both of them personally and I invited Tajik-Professor to Wikipedia! Stop spreading your lies and manipulations around! You're not an Admin, just stay out of. -- Behnam (talk) 11:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser has already proven that user: Tajik-Professor was not him. They checked his IP and I know them both. See here, the Admin confirms it and see here also. Please stop insisting that he was Tajik-Professor. He might have been German-Orientalist, I don't know. But the Checkuser has not proven it see here. They just said "likely". So for sure, please stop claiming he's Tajik professor. -- Behnam (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Translation

Could you translate the following page?

• Karaaslan

KARAASLAN AİLESİ KAREV VAKFININ KURUCUSU OLAN AİLE MALATYA'NIN TANINMIŞ VE SEVİLEN AİLELERİNDENDİR.

This is a new page and we want to know if it makes any sense. Thank you.  Andreas  ^(T) 02:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Turkics in Armenia -- Cat ^chi? 23:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Deleted article

Hey, That looks fine, feel free to recreate United_States-Azerbaijan_relations from that version you showed!

—Reedy Boy 19:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Iranian bastards

We need to set up an orginzed group to encounter these Iranian bastards. They vandalize and falsify all Turks-related articles. Thank you for your comments on the Safavid page. You should ask admins for help against these Iranians! -85.176.73.68 (talk) 13:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I do not subscribe to such provocative conduct, please, do not post on my talk page. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Ehud

I summarized my responses to baseless accusations against Ehud here: [12] Feel free to update it as you deem necessary. --Grandmaster (talk) 18:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom

Considering your active participation in the defense of Ehud Lesar alongside Grandmaster, I think your participation in the new ArbCom would be quite relevant. So I have added you to the list of participants. This shall serve as your notice. [13]. Thanks! - Fedayee (talk) 00:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have re-added you to the case. You have joined Grandmaster in defending Adil/Ehud and accusing Fedayee. If you think you're innocent, ArbCom will clear you and you have nothing to worry about. I was added to the case against my will, but I believe once there is a broader case on the topic, behavior of all concerned parties shall be discussed and proper decisions be made. Thanks. VartanM (talk) 01:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Atabek, I have replied to you in the talk page of the requests for arbitration. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 02:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Topic ban at Shusha pogrom

Under the terms of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, the following sanctions are enacted.

1. For persistent edit-warring over the Waal source, Andranikpasha is banned from editing Shusha pogrom for two weeks. He may make suggestions on the talk page.
2. For persistent edit-warring over the Waal source and for failing to actually read either their own edits or Meowy's talk page comments about the duplicated paragraphs, Atabek and Grandmaster are banned from editing Shusha pogrom for 3 weeks and banned from commenting on the talk page for one week. (Since they won't actually take the time to read and comprehend others' comments, their own privilege to comment is temporarily suspended.
3. Andranikpasha, Grandmaster and Atabek are reminded that during their bans they are not to instruct other editors to edit on their behalf, called proxy editing. Evidence of proxy editing will result in blocking for both the editor directing the edits and the proxy making them.

For more information see [14]. Thatcher 02:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

• Ban extended to 4 weeks. [15] Thatcher 14:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I;d been given rollback yet. My apologies. KC109 (talk) 00:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Ehud_Lesar/Workshop#WP:POINT and reverting edits. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Respond to Atabek

No problem; I immediately removed the warning that I had placed on your Talk page after realizing that your Talk page isn't typical of a vandal. Gary King (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Osroene

Oops! Sorry. I hope it's OK now. Regards, Cplakidas (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I have also brought it into attention at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎. Perhaps you can make your case there. Chaldean (talk) 17:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Note

I've had multiple complaints come in about your conduct at Osroene. Looking over the matter, I agree with them. You are therefore banned from Osroene, Talk:Osroene and all pages and talk pages closely related to the dispute in question for 2 months. Moreschi (talk) 20:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Just Hi

Hello brother, nacilcin Azeri gardash? haven't seen you for a while :) I was just wondering how you were. Thanks a lot for considering our wine as best :) I like also California wines :) All the best Atabek, keep up with great contributions. Iberieli (talk) 01:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

KurtCobain27

I would like to bring to your attention that KurtCobain27 (contribs) (or 89.242.93.126 (contribs)) has been created for vandalizing an article about Azerbaijani passport. -Thanks --Gulmammad (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Trying to popularize a Userbox

You're welcome to use the following Userboxes in your user page:

• User:Arsenic99/Userboxes/antiterror
• User:Arsenic99/Userboxes/antipkk

— ^talk § _Arsenic99_ 00:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Referred

Atabek I referred you here: [[16]]. If you stop the reference to the nationality/background of users and insted discuss the content, then that is fine and I will remove it. So "few Iranian users" which leads to a battle ground mentality is in violation of the atmoshphere of Wikipedia. You can remove it and I will remove my complaint. Else you can respond to the above link. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 21:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• After a brief break , I just returned to Wikipedia and see a conflict is ongoing here.Dear Atabek , I know you may have the prejudice that I'm one of those assimilated Azeris "questioning Azerbaijani Turkic identity" and participant in "linguistic and cultural ethnocide of Azerbaijanis in Iran", but believe me that is not the truth.Don't know if you have ever visited the Azeri parts of Iran , or talked with a non-political , non-asylum seeker Iranian Azeri in the USA ; but the portrait that the activists show is not the truth . Indeed all of it began after international conflicts of Iran foreign policy,and the real condition is not as they say.Don't be negative : that's better than you think !--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

"loss of linguistic identity via assimilation is a loss to Iranian culture in first place" .That's right! But the changes in linguistic issues are not done by bad intentions in Iran.Globalization and broader education of Iranian nation may have some negative side effects on local cultures (as it has on national culture of Iran as well ) , but take care not to believe all things that opposition party says against Iranian state. This especial person (Ms. Zamani) is unreliable.She works with a group that includes known persons who don't care about neither Iran nor Azerbaijan republic:a [former] officer in Israeli intelligence service plus officers responsible in Iranian desk of CIA and etc. That is sad that every former enemy of the western countries is facing ethnic clashes promoted by western media , versus unification of western countries in communities like EU ....Do you think ethnic problems in Iraq , Yugoslavia and USSR (including Qarabagh conflict) have internal or external provoking elements?
Anyway , I think many editors from Azerbaijan republic wrongly compare Iran with USSR and Iranian Azerbaijan with Azerbaijan republic ! The relation between Iranian Azeris and non-Azeri Iranians is never like Russians and Azeris . No one can count Azeris in Iran as "minority":indeed the idea of grouping people by their language is unknown in Iran .The "minorities" is only considered in religious matters, and not in language(or race - if there is any difference between races). --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not get it. what is the problem?

I do not get it. what is the problem? Can you explain me what is the problem? You complain about harassment, while I was very nice to you. I do not have any problems with you, and most of the time even support your edits. It is not sportive to complain about me for alleged harassment.And I cannot remember we ever have exchanged any emails. I was very nice to you.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Please consider taking the AGF Challenge

I would like to invite you to consider taking part in the AGF Challenge which has been proposed for use in the RfA process [17] by User: Kim Bruning. You can answer in multiple choice format, or using essay answers, or anonymously. You can of course skip any parts of the Challenge you find objectionable or inadvisable.--Filll (talk) 20:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

your edits on the Iranian pages

please refrain from pushing your personal POV. Do not politicize things which are cultural. Azerbaijani language in Iran does not use the alphabet which is enforced in the republic of Azerbaijani and has its own alphabet--Babakexorramdin (talk) 11:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Language transliteration

I am sorry, but this has nothing to do with "personal POV". Official Azerbaijani language has a Latin script, in fact Azeri Wikipedia is in 2 scripts, with Latin being the main one. So don't see what's controversial here. Atabek (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I TAKE BACK MY COMMENTS AND LET ATABEK DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS. HAVE A GOOD TIME. I AM LEAVING WIKIPEDIA. BYE--Babakexorramdin (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Goygol

By the way, there were two separate articles, one for Khanlar Rayon and one for Khanlar city. --Bejnar (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Salam Atabey, men sizin gorduyunuz isleri cox yuksek qiymetlendirirem, saq olun, var olun. men azerbaycan yazicilar birliyindi isleyirem. sairem. xaricde ve olkemizde saysiz kitablarim ve eserlerim cap olunub. isteyirem ve xahis edirem menim size gonderdiyim haqimda ingilis dilinde melumati size gonderirem. xahis edirem onun saytda yerlesdiresiniz. men ozum yerlesdire bilmedim. menim seirlerim fransiz, ingilis, holland, turkiye turkcesi, ozbek ve basqa dillere tercume olunub ve hemin olkelerde cap olunub. isteyirem bu dillerde sehifelerim olsun. meslehet verin mene komek edin.cavab gozleyirem. seklimi size nece gondere bilerem? derin hormetle qeshem necefzade 050-524-44-91 email [email protected]

---

         Gasham Najafzadeh
Azerbaijani poet 

  Life

Najafov Gasham Mirza oglu, an Azerbaijani poet, was born on the April 1, 1959 in Imishli, Azerbaijan Republic. He graduated from the Literature Department of the Pedagogical University in 1981. He has been working as a high category teacher of literature at secondary schools and Universities for years. At present he is the Head of the poetry section of “Azerbaijan” magazine issued by the Azerbaijan Writers Unity, as well as the chairperson of the children’s section at the Writers Unity and head teacher at “Tafakkur” University. His poems are regularly published by both Azerbaijani and in foreign newspapers. His works have been translated into Turkish, Russian, Georgian, English, German, Polish, Uzbek and other languages. Up to now 13 books of poems, a book of stories, and a scientific and publicist book have been published. The poet was awarded with the Tofig Mahmudov Prize by Azerbaijan Writers Union for his poems written for children. Critics refer his creative work to the realistic style. Recent works of the poet also include epic, modern and metaphysical poems. G.Najafzade took part in the 38th International Poetry Festival organized in Europe in 2007 and was invited to participate in the 18th International Poetry Festival to be held in Medellin, Colombia. This year the poet was awarded the International R.Rza prize.

His works include the followings:

• “Don’t tell me the end of love” (poems) Baku, Yazichi, 1990 • “The Picture of the Sleeping Sea” (poems) Baku, Ganjlik, 1991 • “ A Bride by the Wave” (poems) Baku, Goyturk, 1994 • “The Fate of My Poem” (poems) Baku, Goyturk, 1995 • “ A Smiling Tree” (stories) Baku, Goyturk, 1995 • “I Want to Love Again”(poems) Baku, Goyturk, 1996 • “When I Remember You”(poems) Baku, Azerbaijan State Publishing House, 1997 • “Before the Farewell was born” (poems) Baku, Ozan 1997 • “Towards Myself” (poems) Azerbaijan State Publishing House, 1998 • “Correction in My Life Book” (poems)Azerbaijan State Publishing House, 2003 • ”And so on “ (poems) Baku, Nurlan, 2004 • “Huseynbala Miralamov’s Literary Realities” (poems) Baku, Yazichi, 2005 • “The Death of the Woman” (poems) Baku, Vector, 2007 • “Evening stories” (in English) 2007 • “Modification” (in Russian) 2007

                  Vebsait: www.qeshemnecefzade.net

Ganja

Greetings Atabəy, I added a brief info on the 1920 anti-Bolshevik uprising in the Ganja, Azerbaijan article. Kazemzadeh’s book seems to contain a more detailed account of the uprising. Could you expand Wikipedia’s coverage of the event when you have time? I know that the Menshevik government of Georgia came under harsh criticism from opposition for refusing to come to the rebels’ aid but I don’t have much information on the topic. Best regards, --Kober^Talk 07:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Good Evening, please, can you translate in Azerbaijani the article Martin Weinek and Kaspar Capparoni? Thanks in advance!

Good evening to you and regards from Campora San Giovanni. I write you regarding the articles of a note police television series: Inspector Rex. For better saying some principal actors of the international series. Martin Weinek (pronunced Vaynek) and Kaspar Capparoni. Weinek is the veteran of the Austrian series, now real member of the series international, as well as excellent agricultural and theatrical entrepreneur and an experienced wine-grower. Capparoni is the new entry of the series, but he has already worked and he works for international productions and with famous directors, I quote among everybody: Dario Argento. I think that the series will arrive within the winter 2008 thanks also to Rai International, that will be transmitted in 150 countries and in more than 70 languages, among which the Azerbaijani. Naturally if you will help me in this, me rechanged really the favor translating a biography or a geographical article in Italian and Sicilian. In fact on the Italian edition they are biographer and geographer. In attends him of one certain answer of yours I thank you in advance and I greet you from Campora San Giovanni, my village native. Thanks still for the patience and the understanding.--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 20:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Note

Per [18] I am banning you indefinitely from Principality of Khachen, its talkpage, and Sahl Smbatean + its talkpage. Moreschi (talk) 19:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Instead

Instead getting on my nerves on the Safavids, come and deffend your cultural heritage at Ätashgah of Baku". Indian Hindus say that it is theirs. This is a country , of which the name is Azerbaijan, the land of Azer= the holy fire. See I was the first one who deffended the truth and justice about it. I even have added the Latin Alphabet to it !!!!! Where were and where are the patriots from the republic of Azerbaijan? Just think about it! --Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Kaynak Yardımı

Sevgili Atabey ben türk' üm ve türkvikipedi azerbaycan maddeleri ve sözde pogromlar ve soykırımlar konularını düzenlemeye çalışıyorum fakat rusça bilmediğimden ve azeri kaynaklarının internetteki yetersizliğinden gerekli kaynaklara tam anlamıyla ulaşamıyorum, kaynak olarak isteğim bazı şeyler var eğer yardımcı olabilirsen çok sevinirim. iyi çalışmalar Sefers (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yardım

Merhaba sözde Dersim soykırımın[19] silinecek maddeler listesine ekledim.acaba yardım edebilirmisiniz.Teşekürler.Abbatai (talk) 08:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire/archive1

Hi, Atabəy! Sorry to disturb you, but I saw from this category that you are a member of WikiProject Turkey, and the List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire is currently a featured list candidate. If you could take some of your time and review it on its nomination page, I would be very grateful. Regards. --BomBom (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Support for deleting the Category:Anti-Armenianism

Will you support my arguement for the deletion of the Category:Anti-Armenianism that I put forward on May 1, 2009?

It is very subjective and even racist as it puts every person who questions the Armenian genocide, such as prominent academicians, who are not racist or personally against Armenian people or Armenia as an entity, along with assasins and militants.

Thank you

81.214.147.154 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.147.154 (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Türk wikipedyasındaki milli ayıplar

• http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermeni_Soyk%C4%B1r%C4%B1m%C4%B1n%C4%B1_Anma_G%C3%BCn%C3%BC
• http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsitsernakaberd

Umarım bu maddeleri dikkatli okursunuz.Olmayan bir soykırım artık varmış gibi rahatlıkla yazılabiliyor.Türkiyeden Ermeniler tarafından kaybedilen topraklar vs diye dile getirile biliyor.Bu ayıplara artık bir son verin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Alphabet issue

Atabak. I advise you do not make another useless edit war. You have had already suffered from it. You should be consistent. In English wiki the consensus is Latin alfabet for cities and persons from the republic of Azerbaijan and Perso-Arabic for those from the Iranian Azerbaijan. In the Russian wiki you insist that the Azerbaijani language has two alhabets. If that is your argument you should be ok with the idea of adding an Iranian-Azeri Perso-Arabic written version next to those in Latin, in articles about cities and people from the republic of Azerbaijan. No double standard please!--Babakexorramdin (talk) 01:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Azerbaijan–Spain relations

Can you help find references for Azerbaijan–Spain relations? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Latin Spelling of Azerbaijani Language

Thanks for adding ISO-recognized Latin spelling of Azerbaijani language to Tabriz page.Yasha Azar 12:47, 13 June 2009

It is better for Atabay not helping the banned vandals pushing their POV.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 13:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Transcaucasus Military District

Please be careful of accuracy when you make edits to articles. The 366th Motor Rifle Regiment was part of the 23rd Motor Rifle Division, and not a full division of its own. Buckshot06(prof) 23:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Seferberlik çağrısı

Deyerli arkadasim sözde Ermeni soykirimi makalesinde Armenian Genocide tarihi gercekler silinmiştir, soykırımı iddialarına ve yalanlarına cevap vermek için hep birlikte bir seferberliğe ihtiyaç vardir. Armenian Genocide tarihi tartışması umarim ilginizi ceker.

Saygilar, Hittit (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Haft Sin in Azerbaijan republic.

I am going to make a new article about Haft sin in the Azerbaijan republic. I appreciate it when you help by bringing in naive sources.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 13:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 04:55, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes

Hi Atabəy.Please join debate. And tell your opinion.--Earth Defender (talk) 11:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Founder

Hi Atabey,

Please see my note on the talk page of Ak Koyunlu regarding your edit on the article on 29 Jan 2008. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Khojaly

I'm really disappointed with the way you are discussing this issue, you are trying to ignore the confessions of your compatriot witness. At least show some respect to other point of views which do not agree with the Azerbaijani agenda, rather than turning Wikipedia into an editing battlefield. Kevorkmail (talk) (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC) 04:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

March days

Hi. First of all, Suny's Armenian descent is not the matter here [20]. This is Wikipedia and chauvinism is not allowed. So try to be more correct in your edit sums. Then, if an author supports a version, it never means, that this is a main version per WP:WEIGHT and must be included in the lead. And third, I didnt find any text where this Suny says Dashnaks were involved directly, its your POV, he just says some Dashnaks helped Bolsheviks. Go to talk and made a consensus for the first pls. Andranikpasha (talk) 06:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I want to inform you on user Kentronhayastan and his contributions. He was been violating the regulations: [21], [22], [23]. Neftchi (talk) 12:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Afshin

Hi, Please take a look at the talkpage. Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 03:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Massacre articles

Hi Atabey. I've just received your message but I see you're on wikibreak. When you return please do feel free to get in touch. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 22:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You'll see I've just responded to User:Tuscumbia who raised the same question. The problem appears to be that allegations are treated as fact. User:MarshallBagramyan created the FA-standard NK War article, so I am reasonably convinced of his trustworthness in regard to these type of articles. Because I've had relatively little interaction with you, I have not gained the same perception. If you like, I'd be happy for you to try drafting some sections of text on the incidents as a whole, treating allegations where there are allegations and eyewitnesses where there are eyewitnesses. Use my talkpage if you like. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Please check the discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Buckshot06.--CenkX (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Given what has already happened, and the BLP issues, the proper place for the discussion now is probably DRV, rather than undeleting a shaky article. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Notification of violating AA2

You have been notified.[24] --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

NYT

Selam. Burada hangi katliamdan bahsettiklerini anlayamadim. Susha, Venjali ve Agdam'dan bahsediyor. Bir bakarsaniz sevinirim. Bir de bu kitap faydali olabilir diye dusunuyorum. Iyi calismalar.--CenkX (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Evet haklısınız. Ama aşağıda 8. paragrafta: Near Agdam on the outskirts of Nagorno-Karabakh, a Reuters photographer, Frederique Lengaigne, said she had seen two trucks filled with Azerbaijani bodies. demiş. Dediğiniz gibi Hocalı'yı kastetmiş olmalı. İkincisi için de, savaşın medyada Muslim Azerbaijan-Christian Armenia çatışması şeklinde yansıtıldığı anlatılıyor. Karabağ konusunda uzman değiller herhalde, ama haber kaynakları konusunda faydalı olabilir diye düşünmüştüm.--CenkX (talk) 01:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

re

I stand by my assessment. I react to horrible, bad faith arguments with the appropriate insult. If you've improved in the last three years, then great, I welcome you to the brotherhood of quality editors. (Though if you think your argument wasn't worthy of derision, then perhaps you haven't changed...) --Golbez (talk) 20:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

No, every opinion is not worthy of protection. Horrible, bad faith opinions like "Nagorno-Karabakh isn't even notable!" are not precious snowflakes, they can and rightly should be called out for the nonsense they are. You are defending your three-year-ago self so much that it seems you have not improved, which is very much a shame. --Golbez (talk) 04:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Having reread your post on my page, I see you were talking about the opinion you recently expressed, rather than the one from three years ago. Then again, you opened that door, and I stepped through. I did not attack you for your opinions made on the Heyvali talk page; I attacked you for the opinion you expressed three years ago, just as you did me, and expressed hope you had changed. There are so few editors in this worthless fight that operate in good faith, it would have been nice to see another. Alas. --Golbez (talk) 04:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The map on Democratic Republic of Armenia doesn't pretend that Armenians controlled all of what it claimed. It attributes the territories Azerbaijan claimed and controlled to Azerbaijan. However, the Azerbaijani map doesn't. The Azerbaijani map pretends that all of what the "D.R. Azerbaijan" claimed was safely under Azerbaijani control. Please be fair. Remember, Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijan governments were recognized, but the borders we're still being discussed and warred over when the Soviet Union absorbed the South Caucasus. For this reason, we mustn't be biased and portray maps that fancy our political agenda, but rather, portray the political/territorial situation of the time. Please understand this.Kentronhayastan (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

AE noticeboard

Please see the following notice regarding your wiki-behaviour: [25] --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Three month ban from Iranian topics, including the Safavids, and indefinite 1RR/week

Hello Atabəy. Please see the result of the complaint about your edits that was filed at WP:AE. You are banned for three months from anything to do with Iran, including the Safavids, with the ban including talk pages. You're also limited to one revert per article per week indefinitely. You can appeal this ban to me, as the closing admin, or at WP:Arbitration enforcement. For that purpose you may use Template:Arbitration enforcement appeal. If not satisfied with the response at AE, you can appeal to Arbcom. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

March Days

You may wish to review the latest edits of an anon IP[26]. I am not sure of the specifics, but the IP appears to be doing massive changes to the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem. The IP appears to be originating from the same area of other IPs that I encountered while trying to place a reference in the Orontid dynasty article[27]. Phoenicians8 and Aryamahasattva also seemed to be "closely related" to these IPs. The same IPs appear to post on User:Moosh88's talk page asking for reverts.[28] --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

This report concerns you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Arbcomm

You have been mentioned here as a party [29] --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Enforcement

I am notifying you about the arbritration request enforcement [30] --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Architecture and Construction University

I did not revert your edit, but it totally lacked sources, so I'm sure you agree it can't remain there for long. Could you please add the required sources? Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 17:45, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Azarbaijani Kurds for deletion

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José Eduardo dos Santos

Hello Atabey: does the source you added say JES earned a degree in engeneering as well as in telecommunications in Baku? Sources available until now suggested his Baku degree was just in petroleum engeneering, and that his course in telecommunication was taken elsewhere, possibly in Brazzaville. -- Aflis (talk) 12:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello again: thank you for your quick answer, and for the access to the source you had found. Unfortunately, the text there does not specify the place where JEC took his course in telecommunications, not stating explicitly that is was Baku. My best guess is that it must have been Baku, because there were no appropriate facilities in Brazzaville at that stage. But it is a pity the point is not made clear, ending thus a heated controversy. Another problem is that the source you cite is a kind of a handbook; hence my question: do the authors indicate from where they got their information. -- Aflis (talk) 17:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that's clearer. However, my doubt still remains: where did the source (= handbook) get its information from? Let me explain: in the Angolan context, historical information given by sources linked to political parties (in power or in the opposition) has always to be checked. The rule is: "In Angola even the past is unforseeable". Maybe things are not totally different in your country... -- Aflis (talk) 12:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Could other users check User:MarshallBagramyan expropriation of the entire Kars article.

Could other users check User:MarshallBagramyan expropriation of the entire Kars article. This user constantly erases the other versions of the name of the city Kars in other languages (Armenian: Կարս Kars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars, Azerbaijani: Qars, Georgian: ყარსი Kars, Kurdish: Qers, Russian: Карс Kars) , and only lets the Armenian version of the name to stay (Armenian: Կարս Kars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars). Unfortunately this user's ethnocentric POV pushing by ignoring the history of the city, after the Armenian era, is still allowed to stay. He even defends it in the city article talk page. Could you follow the Kars article and prevent the constant nationalist POV reversals and editions of User:MarshallBagramyan. Thank you.

Could all Azeri users check User:Yerevanci's and User:Nocturnal781's relentless POV additions, lately in the Ermenikend article.

Could all Azeri users check User:Yerevanci's and User:Nocturnal781's relentless POV additions, lately in the Ermenikend article.

These users constantly change the correct article name of Ermenikend into the incorrect name of "Armenikend". Could all Azeri users prevent the taking over of articles about Azerbaijan by Armenian users with their biased nationalistic POV agenda. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.158.240 (talk) 12:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Atabey, you are invited!

--Comparativist1 (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Dear Atabey, you should correct the vandalization of Safavid article

If you look at the Safavid article, now alongside Azerbaijani (Turkish), it says "Old Azari" among the court, military etc...language of Safavids. And that is done without any single source, however how can one find a source for something non-existent in first place, right?

Even when you click on the sources, its only about Azerbaijani Turkish and not "Old Azari". So who lets such a mistake?

Anyway, I hope you correct it, since it seems you have the means to do so.

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Help. Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar

On the page Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar was mentioned that he is form Qajar tribe. However nothing about that Qajar is a turckic tribe. I info about this, but someone delete it. If you can, please, put more sources that prove Qajars are turks.

Yomagrey (talk) 09:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)Yomagrey

Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Turkey)

Hi. I was wondering if you'd be interested in setting up Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Turkey), based on Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). Now it's not a contest in itself, it's designed to motivate people to inspire others to improve content and build something which demonstrates the hard work going into the country which is visible. The focus is more on quality improvements but new articles are welcome too. Eventually a Turkish National Contest could be created to fuel it, like Wikipedia:Awaken the Dragon, in which contestants can choose to keep the Amazon vouchers themselves to buy their own books for more articles or put them into book fund to help editors further improve Turkish-related topics by giving them the books they want. It will begin though as purely an improvement drive. If interested, or you think anybody else might be interested, alert them and sign up on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey talk page at the bottom. Thank you. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Asian 10,000 Challenge invite

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:16, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Engagement Ring

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Fully unsourced, obviously fails GNG and NFILM, no indication of notability.

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