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Tabubil and Papua New Guinea

Thanks for the comment on my talk page and apologies for not replying earlier. I would normally reply on my talk page, but since it has been a while, I am replying here. I like Tabubil. Great job. I visited there around 1985 in the early days of Ok Tedi. I was Prof of Chemistry at UPNG and we placed our students at Ok Tedi for vacation experience. It came just at the right time after the Bougainville Mine closed.

Your resources look great, but I do not have a particular hot topic in PNG at present.

Since we are both in Melbourne (and westies too!), maybe we will meet at one of the Melbourne meetups. --Bduke 07:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! that is going back some time, mabye you might have some more info on the history of Tabubil, as I was only a small fry back then....

I would like to get to a Melbourne meetup, missed the most recent one with Jimbo sadly, but hope to attend one soon.

You're from the west? What suburb?

Aliasd 19:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tabubil. I doubt I have hard info, but some questions come to mind. While I was in PNG, the slope above the prospective retention dam slipped down into the valley and the dam was never built. The government was forced to agree to this. Is this documented in the article on the Ok Tedi article? Once a local told me that they had told the company the slope was unstable and that it obviously was as there were no gardens on the slope. The result was wide spread silting of the river for miles down stream. There were concerns about cyanide in the river, but this is readily decomposed in the hot bright and wet conditions, so it was only found for a short distance below the mine. There was also the loss of a boat load of cyanide drums in the mouth of the Fly River while I was there. Is the employment of locals in the early days documented? I think the company did a reasonably good job.

Meetups. I was at the Jimbo one. See a photo of us on my talk page. There has been one since then but I could not make it and only three people turned up. The next one is planned for the end of July. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 7. I have lived in Spotswood since late 2004. Before that I was in Darwin. --Bduke 23:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Ok Tedi Mine and Ok Tedi Environmental Disaster, Dont know about the cyanide drums, but I think I remember something like that. I wonder how the drums came loose like that, and how many. It was pretty commonly known in Tabubil that the current from the Fly goes along the east coast of Australia, I wonder if the good citizens of Cooktown had blue plastic drums appearing on the beach...

I know the employment of the locals, at least from the North Fly District is pretty well documented, if not historically. Ok Tedi Mining Limited has a "preferred area" selection criteria for workers, and since BHP gave up it's share in the mine, the new controlling PNG Sustainable Development Program has been even more rigorous in the selection of preferred area workers. The mine is now almost wholly operated by people from south Sandaun and north Western Province.

Should see you at Melb 7. Aliasd 05:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. One point not mentioned is that when the mine opened it mined gold exclusively as the cap of the mountain was extremely rich in gold. Only later did they change (on plan of course) to mine copper and obtain the gold as a very lucrative by-product. I do not have dates for this however or I would add it. The copper concentration in the cap was so low that it did not interfere with the cyanide extraction process for gold. As the concentration increased as they went done, it started ti interfere so they extracted copper and obtained the gold at the final electrolysis process to give high quality copper. --Bduke 08:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will incorporate my knowledge of this into the article, and look for some cites. Thanks. aliasd·U·T 12:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited Ok Tedi mine to reflect/clarify this. I was aware of a lot of what you talked about (except the Fly River cyanide spill. I have been meaning to clean up this article for some time. aliasd·U·T 14:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary

Good morning.

I've posted a message to Wantok's on its talk page regarding my work on revitalizing and reorganizing the Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary which I'd like to ask you to review and possibly comment upon. I believe both of those Wikis were set up with good intentions, but they have subsequently fallen into disuse because their policies and objectives were not well thought out beforehand. The originator, Caffelice listed some very good resources on its talk page, but obviously there was no follow-up to generate and sustain interest in the projects.

I've been working with the two Wikis for the last four weeks trying to figure out how they were put together and such, and determining what's missing and what has to be added and improved. As a start, I've been regularly updating the "Karen afeas" section of the TPI Wiki's front page, and since there are no articles of any significance in the Wiki, I've been adding photos to the "Dispela wik" section in place of articles.

In mulling over the "target audience" so to speak for the encyclopedia, it seems to me that the revitalized Wiki needs some firm policies and guidelines as to what types of articles should be included, and what types of articles should be excluded. I do not believe that the TPI Wikipedia should be a "universal" encyclopedia, a clone of the English encyclopedia if you will. Instead, I very firmly believe that the revitalized TPI Wikipedia should be focused and oriented primarily on Melanesia and the surrounding regions, secondly on Oceania in general, and then thirdly on the Pacific Rim countries. My reasoning here is that anyone in Melanesia that has a need for the type of content that's in the English Wikipedia can get that content by going directly to the EN Wikipedia, as English would be the default language of the region for anyone having and using computers there.

I'd like to get a discussion group together that will help put together (and monitor, at least initially) ground rules, policies and guidelines for both Wikis. As a start in this direction, one of the things I've done is test the concept of a bilingual Wikipedia and a bilingual Wiktionary. See the TPI Wikipedia articles "Papua Niugini" and "Papua Niugini/English" for the the bilingual concept test there, and the TPI Wiktionary entries for "wanbel" and "agreement" for the bilingual dictionary concept in that document. &nbspIn my comments on "Wantok"'s talk page I proferred an idea of adding a Tok Pisin subpage to the WikiProject Melanesia page.

This comment has become longer than I intended, so I leave it here with a request hoping that you and "Wantok" will be so kind as to comment on my ideas for revitalizing the two Wikis.

Thanks/very best regards, K. Kellogg-Smith 13:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will post a more lengthy reply to this when I have the time and have thought it over more, although I can say right now, if Wantok is not already an administrator of tpi.wikipedia, he should be made one immediately. I will probably suggest forming a WikiProject on tpi. to facilitate the introduction of policy, also a lot of work needs to be put into translating the underlying engine of the 'pedia, and possibly creating a Tok Pisin "word" for "Wikipedia" and renaming the thing.

I will be glad to help. aliasd·U·T 14:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've now copied our discussion to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Melanesia/Tok_Pisin ... let's continue the discussion there. Wantok (toktok) 06:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Districts

Hey Aliasd you might be interested in this. It was sent to me from a friend in PNG who got it (as he says) from:

"a member of staff at the Department for Community Development who works in the area of Social Mapping. He extracted this info from the most recent census in PNG as it was based on districts. I can't vouch for its 100% accuracy, but the schedule has been distributed as part of a policy document in the DFCD and no one has identified any errors. If nothing else, it will be a very good starting point."

This should be good for the little on going project. Nomadtales 05:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, this info does not conflict with my existing, incomplete information. saved. thanks again! aliasd·U·T 10:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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single login

Heya, just letting you know that I've created new accounts on Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary with username Wantok (and won't be using the old Mattandrews accounts any more). Partly for simplicity/consistency but mainly as preparation for the upcoming single login for Wikimedia. You might want to register your most preferred user name on other Wikimedia projects, just in case, to avoid conflicts later on... Wantok (toktok) 00:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for the heads-up! aliasd·U·T 00:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redcliffe suburb NASA Landsat montage

Hello. You have provided NASA Landsat montages for all Redcliffe City suburbs bar the suburb of Redcliffe (it currently shows a pulled-back image of the peninsula which itself is better covered with Image:RedMap-Fullsize.png). Would you like to create one showing the Redcliffe suburb?

Also an idea I think might work well, when showing suburbs in an area, it might work better by darkening surrounding suburbs with a tint (not a 100% blackout), leaving the suburb in question clear. Either that, or using, say, a white outline to show the suburb with black lines for the other suburb boundaries. In any case, blacking-out the suburb being demonstrated is less effective than what I am suggesting. If you would like me to assist you in this with advice, I'd be very happy to help! Seo75 01:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will reconstruct all these maps, My mapping skills are a lot better than that! aliasd·U·T 05:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Waiheke

Hi Aliasd, while I think your addition to Waiheke island may well be true, I don#t think it can be referenced. As it is only an additional extension of the sentence about differing social levels, I think it can be removed again without too much loss. If you could reference it though, that would be great (such as from an article in the Waiheke newspaper or somewhere?). Ingolfson 14:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, only know this information from my own experience of being on the island. aliasd·U·T 10:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]