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August 2016

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Please don't mark all your edits as minor (this is just below the edit window).
When referencing news articles, please use the actual title of the news articles. I noticed on the Miki Zohar article that you added incorrect titles including "New Holiday Yom HaAliyah" (actual title "Israel approves holiday to celebrate contribution of immigrants") and "Aliyah Day becomes official holiday" (actual title "Israel approves holiday to celebrate contribution of immigrants").
When formatting dates, do not use ordinals (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc) – dates must be written as 1 June or June 1.

If you have any questions about editing, I'll do my best to answers. Cheers, Number 5 7 21:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

September 2016

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Hineni. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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Good faith reversion

I reverted your good faith edits to Jewish holidays and Template:Jewish and Israeli holidays. You invited a discussion on these subjects, and I began such a discussion. So until there is consensus to your point of view (or mine or anyone else's), please leave things alone.

I left intact your edits at Public holidays in Israel, because I do think they are proper.

Shabbat Shalom. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also: Please sign your contributions on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question Steven, how long to wait on the topic of the template before we determine that you and I are the only ones opining on it all, and we take action? Also, I am newish to Wikipedia and would love to speak with you on it. Whats yours email? Shavua Tov from Tel Aviv Ir HaKodesh. Alanadrubin (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It depends. In this case, there are actually a couple of people I think might show up, so I'd probably let it sit a week before taking action. Also ... You don't need to keep changing חסר Hebrew spellings to מלא spellings (and arguably shouldn't). There's no direct policy on that in the English Wikipedia Manual of Style, but the policy on American vs. British spelling is that spelling conventions aren't changed once in place. FWIW, I think that חסר spellings are often more familiar in חו״ל. ... You can email me by going to my user page and then clicking "email this user". Finally ... "תל־אביב עיר הקודש"? That's a new one! (smile) StevenJ81 (talk) 22:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alana, I'm not quite ready to move on this yet publicly. But if you'd like to mosey over to User:StevenJ81/sandbox/Public holidays in Israel, feel free to edit that as you see fit. This way, it will be ready to roll into place. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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TonyBallioni (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to general edit around Israeli holidays, nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to let you know that areas related to the Arab-Israeli conflict are under arbitration committee restrictions, and accounts that are less than 30 days old and have less than 500 edits cannot edit in this area. Rabin Day seems to be related to it given the history of Rabin, so I thought it best to let you know. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @TonyBallioni and Ad Orientem: I can appreciate the notice and the protection laid on this article. But you've now got the relatively strange situation that Alana created the page, but now can no longer edit it, because someone decided it should come under ARBPIA. Given that the text of the article is an entirely dry recital of the fact that the memorial day exists, I don't think that was a bit necessary. I think in respect to Alana's work on Israeli holiday pages, you might have chosen (a) not to protect the page at all, until and unless an editing disagreement related to ARBPIA developed, or (b) to protect the page at standard semiprotection, as a nod to ARBPIA issues, but not actually set it at extended-confirmed protection until and unless an issue arose. I'm inclined to offer to Alana that I will make any reasonable edit she wishes on that page, because I think you are out of line here. But I'd rather that you reconsider this reflexive action for the time being. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

StevenJ81, I just came across the page on NPP and was conflicted on it. I ultimately decided to request protection because I don't think it is possible to separate things Rabin related from the fact that he was assinated relatively recently and had such a central role in Oslo. A holiday commemorating him seems intrinsically linked to his assisination and thus the conflict. I also noticed the Ben Guran holiday created and was/am also considering requesting it. The goal of the 500/30 protection is to prevent disruption, and ultimately I suspect a Rabin relate article would attract a fair amount of trolling. I think EC protection is justified here, but I'll defer to Ad who was the admin who protected. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:00, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think StevenJ81 has made some fair points. Nobody has acted improperly here, but this is an unusual situation and one where I think commonsense would suggest that an editor should not be barred from editing an article they just created. If we encounter some serious disruptive editing we can always slap protection back on the article. But for now I think I am going to remove it. Protection is authorized for these articles but I believe this is within the realm of administrator's discretion. And I think there is a strong argument for an exception here. If anyone sees problematic editing just drop me a line. Thanks Steve for pinging me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've downgraded the protection to semi-PP since Tony is concerned about it attracting trolls. I think this is adequate and should not interfere with Alana's ability to edit the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ad Orientem and TonyBallioni: Thank you both for your prompt responses. Ad Orientem, thank you for your openness to my points. I do agree that the article probably comes within the range of authorization for protection, but also within the realm of administrators' discretion. I will also watch the page, and will contact you promptly if I see problems arise.

That said, I think I will leave the "discretionary sanctions" notice here all the same. If nothing else, Alana is getting close to the line, and I do want her to understand what the rules are on the other side of that line. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Ad Orientem, I have a lot of respect for you, so I will defer to you here, but I think the assisination bit makes a strong case for it being connected to the Arab-Israeli conflict under the arb case and thus EC. Technically the creation wasn't allowed, but I don't think anyone wants deletion here. I'd be more than willing to accept any good faith edit requests if it was EC protected. My concern is that with Rabin the violent nature of his death would only attract disruption. Again, I'm willing to defer to you on this and don't plan to take it past this talk page, but I think this one is tricky. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I agree that there are aspects of this situation that seem to be dancing on or slightly over a few lines. But I am not seeing anything here that causes me to question either good faith or competency so I'm prepared to give a bit of latitude. We can file this under IAR. I honestly don't think the project will benefit from Alana not being able to edit the article and I see very little risk in allowing it. But on the off chance that something goes wrong, one of the nice things about Wikipedia is there are very very few things that can't be fixed with a few clicks on a mouse. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@StevenJ81 and Ad Orientem: fair enough. I certainly don't see any signs from Alana that she intends to become a POV warrior over holidays, the Rabin thing was what worried me, but I'll watchlist it and ping if it becomes an issue. Ad, would you also mind semi-protecting Ben-Gurion Day? It was the one that I was going back and forth on re: EC, but think it definitely qualifies for semi under similar logic. As for the DS notification, I actually mean what the template says when I post it: it doesn't imply misconduct. I do a fair amount of work in new pages and anytime there is something connected to the Arab-Israeli conflict that is created, I typically give it to the article creator simply because it is such a controversial area. I stay well away from it, but I think it is important that anyone who goes near it knows the administrative situation.

Alana, sorry for the drama on your talk page. I know how overwhelming the Wikpediea-ese can be. Keep up the good work on Israeli holidays, just be careful about things near the conflict :) TonyBallioni (talk) 04:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WOW, Thank you to everyone for taking this so seriously and caring so much about protecting the integrity of Wikipeida. Know that I only want dry facts on these pages, and will fight along aside you all to ensure all is "kosher". Alanadrubin (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Templates

Hi, Alana. Why don't you have one more look at User:StevenJ81/sandbox/Public holidays in Israel and make sure you think it is substantially complete. After that, I think we need to open a discussion at Template talk:Jewish and Israeli holidays to determine how we should make use of the parallel templates. Here's what I'm thinking:

Current Template:Jewish and Israeli holidays possibly is renamed to just "Jewish holidays", and the "Israeli" part is taken out of its top title bar. This works, to a great extent, because there will be a lot of pages where both templates appear together.
Agree

Otherwise, I think it remains unchanged, except possibly for removing Yom Ha'Aliyah. I'm of two minds on that one. On one hand, its status in Israel is equivalent to the other four, which you can't say about any of the other "observances". On the other, it's the only one of the five that gets almost no traction in Diaspora communities.
Strongly disagree because it is the the most recent addition, from June 2016, and thus it takes time to trickle to Galut. The need to "get the word out" doesn't make it less of a Jewish holiday (which many believe it constitutes since the State of Israel made it into a major national holiday). If we took into account what most Jews in the Diaspora do, we would have to delete almost the entire template.

Let me also add: some people will almost certainly try to remove the "State of Israel" section from the original template entirely, now that we will run parallel templates. My strongest argument against will be that those days are also reasonably widely observed by Jewish communities in the Diaspora. But I may have to concede Yom Ha'Aliyah on that point.
Otherwise, each template appears on every page having a link. (VE Day doesn't, yet. Can you add some content to that page, thereby justifying a link? Otherwise, we should remove from the new template.) That means that many pages will have both templates. The main pages that will not will be those in the "Knesset observances" section, on the one hand, and the more detailed listing of holidays and fasts on the other.

Thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on creating a Wiki page for VE day Victory in Europe Day (Israel) which only became a Knesset day of commemoration in July 2017.Alanadrubin (talk) 06:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Yom HaAliyah in See also sections

Please stop adding Yom HaAliyah to the "See also" sections of multiple articles. It is not relevant from the vast majority of them. Please review WP:SEEALSO for more information. Jayjg ^(talk) 12:47, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jayjg The "purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics." How can Israel's newest national holiday created in part to honor Joshua leading the Israelies across the Jordan River at Gilgal while carrying the Ark of the Covenant not be "see also" relevant to pages about the Israelites, Joshua, Gilgal etc... --Alanadrubin (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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