User:Timmy12/

This way placed by meon User:JzG's page (with addition from Hanuman Das:

Maybe you can help

The same group of people are starting to harass me again, now that I have become active once more.

I removed reference price lists from the body of perhaps 10 articles in situations where there were already multiple links to the same site. There are hundreds of articles that reference that same outside site multiple times. I received the note displayed below from a third party (one that was involved with the users who made the sockpuppet accusation against me previously for essentially the same behavior on my part.)

Please stop removing references to rosencomet.com. It is not a personal website, but a website of the organization that the articles are about. Thanks. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(I replied that the links I removed were price lists for events.)

No, they weren't. Please leave Rosencomet and his articles alone. You are engaging in harassment. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(I replied by asking him if he thought price lists were O.K. -- some of the links weren't price lists and I did not remove those. )

They are not simply price lists. They are lists of performers who performed at each event, and serve as documentation of the performance. Removing references is not proper Wikipedia behavior. I assume you will be back tomorrow adding "fact" tags. Your behavior disgusts me. Phew! Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(I asked if he had ownership issues about articles and suggested we consult an authoritive third party. And I added some unnecessary provocative and unwise statements about someone pulling his strings.)

yawn... Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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Now I know what will happen next, as this is a replay of before. The "yawn" indicates that the two big guns will be after me soon. As I recall, the person who settled the previous accusations by and large agreed with the tags I had added.

Is there a way or a place to go to handle this? A small group of people basically scare off anyone who starts to look at the maze of interconnected Wikipedia articles that involved Rosencomet and the various festivals he is promoting.

Now, I can just back off and consider them sacred if that is the wisest thing to do -- and I know it is. However, my respect for Wikipedia continues to plummet accordingly. It is so against my understanding of what (I originally thought) Wikipedia stood for. Timmy12 19:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Looking at my contribution history, it looks like I removed 3 Rosencomet links. Timmy12 19:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

We seem to have around 75 links to rosencomet.com, which is a commercial website. Many of these are of no obvious rleevance to the subject and appear to promote the website or Starwood. I am not one of the admins noted for tolerance of linkspam... Guy 20:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

What you don't understand is that those links are there because other editors insisted that the person's performance at the festival be documented. That page is the documentation of who performed in what year. In particular, looking at the edit histories, it seems to have been Mattisse and confirmed sockpuppets of Mattise who insisted that the appearances be documented in the first place. I also notice on User_talk:Timmy12, that this is the same user that Timmy12 was accused of being a sockpuppet of. Strange, that. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 20:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Frankly I don't care about the personalities. I am not persuaded they should be there, and I will be researching the issue. Guy 21:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You should care about the "personalities:" Timmy12 is clearly a sockpuppet of Mattisse, who has tried to get admins involved in her irrational vendetta against Rosencomet before ([1]), and then when that didn't yield the desired results, created half-a-dozen sockpuppets specifically to harass Rosencomet. I've researched it myself and the Starwood Festival is probably the largest as well as most long running pagan festival in the US. Many, if not most, of the speakers and performers are notable in the pagan community, even if they are not well-known in the mainstream. Of course, this is the case with all religious sub-cultures, and such behaviour would not be tolerated if it was obscure Hindu or Hasidic personalities, but apparently it is okay to bash pagans on WP, at least according to Mattisse and her three-dozen + 1 sockpuppets. —Hanuman Das 10:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

You assert this as fact, but CheckUser suggests otherwise. Guy 10:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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It is starting to intensify. This message was sent to Ekajati by Hanuman Das publically labelled "Timmy12" in the edit summary, after Ekajati and Hanuman Das had already left essentially the same message on your talk page, part of a strategy to smear my name again. The next step is the actual sockpuppet accusation.

Ekajati, I see you are having trouble with Timmy12. You should be aware that this user is most likely a sockpuppet of Mattisse, who previously went on a vendetta either against Rosencomet or maybe pagan authors and performers in general. She likes to tag pagans with "importance" tags, even when they have 20 or more books or albums credited to their name and listed in the article. Refuses to do the least amount of research or even a Google search before tagging. Refuses to discuss issues on the talk pages of the articles. Won't acknowledge the comments or opinions of other editors more knowledgeable in the field. I'd advise against posting on her talk page - she gets emotional and then will harass you on your talk page - at least she did this to me.... A real piece of work, this one... Sees conspiracies everywhere - I see she's accused you of being Rosencomet. That's pretty typical... —Hanuman Das 10:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Meanwhile, in the last 12 hours or so Ekajaki, Hanuman Das, and User:999 are using reverts to remove anything I do on Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart, a Rosencomet-related page. I have looked for help on various Wiki help pages/forums on how to deal with this but no one can direct me to a place that addresses my concern. I have been advised that when this type of thing happens (and I gather it is common) the best thing to do is back down. (I admit I have a stubborn streak and perhaps need to let go and admit that these people do effectively own the Rosencomet pages.)

If I am in the wrong, or if you think I should back down, I will follow whatever advice you give me. Hanuman Das stalked me on Chuck Berry a few hours ago and I am getting scared to do anymore editing. Timmy12 13:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Timmy12 and checkuser

Please link to the checkuser result. I checked WP:RFCU and didn't see a request. Also, if you are going to warn me about "following" Timmy12 around, maybe you should warn her about stalking others. She's been stalking Rosencomet for some time, and I note from her contributions that she went out of her normal set of article to edit Michael Roach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), an article that both Ekajati and I worked with to resolve WP:BLP issues. —Hanuman Das 15:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hate to bother you more

I asked a Policy question at the Village Pump:

A third party just wrote me: Please leave Rosencomet and his articles alone. Can this third party enforce this, especially given that the person in question, Rosencomet, has edited hundreds of articles, perhaps more? Any articles involving certain themes are being considered his, even if he did not originate them.

If this is not the right forum to ask this question, please point me in the right direction. Thanks! Timmy12 18:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

This is, as you guessed, the wrong forum for this question. Try Wikipedia:Help desk or Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) or Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance). --cesarb 03:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions above. I tried them but none are appropriate for my problem which is becoming more critical. I need actual help and protection. I need access to a source that can give me some real information. A pattern of harassment is being repeated toward me that started a few weeks after I got an account at Wikipedia a month or so ago. That resulted in me being accused of being a sockpuppet. The charge was ruled false but it was a horrible ordeal for me. The same people have started again. Can you direct me to a source, place, or person before something bad happens. Timmy12 12:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't let "Timmy" fool you, take a look at "his" contributions. He didn't try your suggestions at all. Also, talk a look at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse, especially the note about posting on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) for help, and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (2nd) for why Timmy perceives this as happening "again". —Hanuman Das 13:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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I don't get what is going on or why these people are after me so. What I am being accuse of, exactly? I can't believe that the edits I have made warrant this type of aggression toward me, even if they don't agree with my edits. Yet this is an exact repeat of the previous sockpuppet accusation. I looked at the Timmy12 and checkuser above with the Michael Roach Michael Roach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and but I am not understanding what that is supposed to prove.

I will not edit again until I hear from you that it is safe to do so. Timmy12 18:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)