User:Denni/User talk:Denni/2006 November Archive

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Crash test dummy

Thanks for the message I have responded. -De Facto 19:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

The reason why I deleted and then recreated those redirects is because you did not create them in the right format. In order for them to work right there needs to be a number sign before them. I realize now I probably could have just added the number sign to the redirectt, but I didn't realize that at the time. Academic Challenger 21:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Tits Up?

at Euphemism you said "One does not go tits up, one is tits up."

USonian military usage went tits up (nowadays euphemized [!] in the phonetic alphabet: "tango uniform") means expired, defunct, or deceased. Since you are in Canada, I don't expect you to be conversant with US Army slang.

Google has plenty of "go" usage, f'rinstance, from the UK we get:

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang

go tits-up

Verb. 1. To go wrong, to fail. E.g."Nick's devious plan went tits up when his colleagues discovered the facts." 2. To fall over. E.g."I went tits up on that ice on the path."

I've not reverted your edit, but do respectfully suggest that you reconsider.

Oreb 05:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Geek Fraternities

I saw that you created the redirect of Geek Fraternities to Greek Fraternities. As a member of a Greek Letter Organization, I would consider that derogative. I understand that misspellings are often used as redirects however. I am interested in which of the two reasons you had for the creation, and if the derogative, whether derogatives should ever redirect to the group without explanation. Kike and Nigger have pages of their own where they are expressly derogative. Thank You Naraht 12:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I found the deletion page, and what was deleted before you remade it as a redirect was anti-fraternity. I have been through the "what links here" for Fraternities and Sororities and the types of redirect pages fall into a few basic categories.

• Singulars (Fraternities) (Sororities)
• Singular organizations (Fraternity and Sorority for example)
• rearrangments (sorority first w or w/o singulars)
• Greek Organizations
• Frat
• Geek Fraternities

There were no other misspellings redirects other than Greek Fraternities. I've been on Wikipedia for about a year. As far as I know RFDs on redirects work the same as normal RFDs, right?

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

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Re: Canadair CL-215

You mean this creation and revision? They're in the history of the article in the middle; the article histories appear to have been merged. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Greek Fraternities??

I read your comment on Naraht's page that Greek Fraternities are "down for the count" in an AfD discussion. Really? When? That's a lot of deletion... — vijay 13:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a redirect for Geek Fraternities to Greek Fraternities (note the missing R), it was once a very-non-NPOV page apparently and was deleted and the recreated as a redirect. While I'm not thrilled with the existance of the redirect, it is OK. Do a search on Geek Fraternity to see the Deletion discussion. Naraht 16:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Of course! sorry, oops! — vijay 20:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: metric units. I think the only hope is when India and China and, of course, Europe's combined economy makes it increasingly cheaper for industries to migrate. I'm not sure if that'll really change the produce section, though. Of course, I'm not sure how soon that'll happen. The kilometer and liter, specifically, don't bother me that much, and, to be honest, I like the added sensitivity that Fahrenheit has (180 degrees between freezing and boiling.) I guess, I'm rarely in a situation when I need to guesstimate in kilometers or liters or degrees C. But meters & centimeters, and kilos & grams would be really nice. I tried switching my thermometer over to deg C for a while... but, I don't think it helped much. Now I've got both visible. Maybe one day I'll realize I can "speak Celsius"? That's the hope anyway. Do you have metric paper sizes in Canada? That's one thing I just learned about. I definitely wish we had metric paper sizes. — vijay 20:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Annie Oakley

In the interest of my learning more Wiki policies and practices, why did you add a Wiki-invalid redlink for Lillian Smith to Annie Oakley? When I wrote that brief account I didn't Wikify Lillian because there was no article for her. Also since Lillian is probably remembered only because of superstar Annie, I assumed that if anyone writes a Lillian article, they or others like yourself will be quick to Wikify a valid Lillian link. Milo 20:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• By adding a red link, this invites anyone interested in writing an article on Lillian Smith to do so. It is not necessary that there be an article already in place to wikify a term or phrase - part of the wonder of Wikipedia is that we can look toward the future for yet-unwritten articles. It is not necessarily the case that someone writing a Lillian article would search for this term in the Anney Oakley article. Possibly, but not necessarily. This red link proactively does the linking. BTW, glad to have you on board. I suggest you register yourself as a contibutor. Happy sailing! Denni ☯ 20:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the Lillian Smith article, which moots this particular red link instance. More generally, I did research on intentional Wiki redlinking, and it is a rising controversy. While others agree red links have the article-writing invitation advantage that you promote, it is also perceived as a creeping visual blight on a slippery slope. There are already requests to avoid over-Wikifying articles with blue links that do exist. Without policy limits, intentional red linking to the max would create a chaos of hard-to-read visually vibrating red and blue hyperlinks. BTW, thanks for your greeting, but as far as I know I'm a registered contributor, with 120 edits total in three Wiki venues. Milo 23:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• I have been a Wikipedian for 2 1/2 years, (and coming up on 10,000 edits) and know the small controversy over linking. I'm firmly in the there-can't-be-too-many links camp - I believe that every word in Wikipedia should link somewhere, either to another wikipedia article, or to wiktionary, or to wikinews, or wherever. That's the whole point of hyperlinking, as I see it. I don't see it as a blight - I've set my wikipreferences so that linked words or phrases are in blue (or red), but not underlined. That goes hugely to negating the blight you speak of. I certainly agree with you when it comes to blindly red-linking, and it is one thing that can get an article deleted, if it contains nothing but a mess of red links. However, you will frequently run into articles with a handful of red links - no one questions the wisdom of this. I guess what I meant when I suggested you register was that you create a user page - right now, you have no user talk page, so I must reply here on my own page. Denni ☯ 00:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the concept that every non-Wiki word or phrase should hyperlink, but without special marking. Highlight any word or phrase and click to go-Wiki or search would be conceptually good. Since you agree that too many redlinks are undesirable, what are your proposed policy limits for manual redlinking? ≈ The visual blight part is that, underlined or not, the link color is a distracting red, originally indicating a broken function to attract a repair, as blood attracts efforts to staunch skin cuts. An obvious improvement would be to change the non-Wiki ("broken") link color — I'll nominate dark green. ≈ I do have a user talk page; note "discussion" is a live blue link on my non-existing user page. It was automatically created by a Longhair bot when I registered. I use it like email — it gets deleted after delivery — and it works well. I don't have a user page since it might attract social chats, which are non-encyclopedia edit time consuming, and as you know from the userboxes debate, increasingly controversial. Milo 02:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Myg0t (second)

Hi, I notice you've had a say in previous discussions about deletions/undeletions for the myg0t article, I'd just like to inform you that another such discussion is occurring now, so if you'd like to voice your opinion, for or against undeletion of the article, feel free to post your thoughts.[1] - USER-cacophony 20:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible copyvio

Got a question about a possible copyvio over at Talk:Clinical_depression#possible_copyvio. Having done some digging, it looks like the site in question may have actually taken our content rather than the other way around as the anon is claiming. Since the section in question originated in a major re-write by you, I thought I would let you know. I presume you know how to go about pointing out unauthorized use of WP content if (as seems likely) that is what is happening. --GraemeL ^(talk) 00:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Whipper Billy Watson

Cheers for creating the Whipper Billy Watson article. That has been on my to-do list a long time. :-) DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:Dwcloudstreet.jpg

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Obvious sources

This bot should be able to read tags such as {{PD-USGov-NASA}} without generating a message to the image uploader that the image may be deleted. Pain in the keester if I have to go back and state the obvious... Denni ☯ 23:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

The tag may state that the image was created by NASA, but without a source URL or a statement of what publication it's from, it's impossible to verify. With NASA, this is particularly important, since much of NASA's science is done by subcontractors, who do hold copyright to their work. --Carnildo 07:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Amanda Butler

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Amanda Butler, which you proposed for deletion, because I feel that the deletion of this article may be controversial. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Mangojuice^talk 04:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Template request

A long time ago you requested userbox templates for photoshop. The backlog of requests has now been cleared for everything except this request of yours. Do {{User:UBX/Photoshop}}, {{User:UBX/Photoshop2}}, {{User:UBX/Photoshop3}} cover what you were looking for? --CBDunkerson 00:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Roland Thompson

In regards to the article Roland Thompson, which you proposed for deletion, I have marked the article for speedy deletion, as I feel that the article meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion. In cases where it applies, speedy deletion is preferable to proposed deletion. I have left the {{prod}} tag in place, so that if speedy deletion is rejected, your proposed deletion will remain in place. Thanks! Mangojuice^talk 02:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Is "Baby Carrot" a joke?

I'm recommending deletion unless there are some sources... "baby carrots" are grown all over the world, were not invented in 1990, and aren't always peeled.

Was this an April fools joke perhaps :)? SB Johnny 16:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I checked the link :). But "just because it's in the paper...", etc.

Sorry if I came off a bit grumpy, it just looked like it might be an article written by the farmer/marketer or something. (I'm a farmer too, and we grew carrots to the "baby" stage when I was just a 'lil guy, which was quite a few days before 1990 ;). SB Johnny 17:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Response to your edit (we seem to be realtime here)... not all baby carrots look like that, but the trade names (mentioned in that article) probably do. Hopefully the article can be rewritten to get both meanings in.

What do you think of the merge proposal then? SB Johnny 17:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I'll alter the comment. I somewhat revised the article as well. (Actually, in this neck of the woods what is packaged as "baby carrots" are usually called "carrot sticks", but closer to the city (and further from farms) I think they do call them babies (I feel badly for them sometimes :-)). SB Johnny 17:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on it too, going to have to look at seed packs and such to try to get a good proportion of growing days for "baby" harvest. Lets continue this on the article's talk page. SB Johnny 18:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Any hey Denni, this is fun! If you have any other crop-related articles you'd like a partner to work on with, let me know! SB Johnny 19:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations...

Have my orchard as a present :).

...on getting your 10,000th edit. Kudos. :). NOTE: At this point, I would start singing some Cliff Richard, but I'm not quite that sad. --Celestianpower ^háblame 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

<Insert gloating here>. I love the UK.... --Celestianpower ^háblame 22:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I should be horribly offended at this point. Live in the USA? No thanks :). --Celestianpower ^háblame 22:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

File:Esperanza.Party.gif

Esperanza congratulates you!

Though I can't really compete with a garden, congratulations on such a landmark! -- Natalya 02:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Lalala

Haha Wiki be great, matey! Arr, I be findin' way marr stuffs than yer c'n e-majin! Gr't webbysyte, matey! Now swab tha deckeroos!

Congrats

I saw in the Coffee Lounge that you got 10,000 edits, good job! I remember when got Ten thousand edits, January 22 of this year. Lol, now its June and I'm up to 20,000. ;-) Anyways, congrats on reaching a new milestone. -- from The King of Kings 21:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome! Ahh.. a job with little to do, now that's heaven, now if they only paid you for going on Wikipedia. :-) I'm glad that your going to be active more. Cheers! -- from The King of Kings 23:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, that sounds like hell, sorry you have to endure that. "The Office Spy", that sounds so horrible, if I had a job like that, I wouldn't be able to take it. At least Wikipedia passes the time sometimes, right? *Thats when the Office Spy logs onto Wikipedia and screams AH HA!!!* -- from The King of Kings 00:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Denni. Once I ge a few good days worth of sleep and things are resolved, I should be back. Cheers! — The King of Kings 22:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, could you do me a favor and look out User:203.45.248.72 when I'm gone. He comes off his week long block on Thursday (when I'm gone). This is an IP of a blocked/banned puppetmaster and if he starts up again, please notify the proper people (Mostly Essjay since he helped me with him). Thanks! — The King of Kings 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you sir

Thank you for the kindness you displayed at the deletion review. I was wondering if you would like for your user page to be designed? We have a lot of good designers, and I would be happy to sign you up. Thetruthbelow 03:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Well they now how the wikiproject up for mfd here. You thoughts would be appreciated. Thetruthbelow 04:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

An AfD

When you have time, could you please complete this nomination: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/18th (CTA). If you want the subpage deleted, let me know. (Liberatore, 2006). 12:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have decided to retire

Hello Denni. I just wanted to come here and thank you for everything before I retire from wikipedia. I have decided not to stay for various reasons, mostly from the past. I have seen what this place has done to people, and I have decided to not let it happen to me. I don't know if I will come back, but regardless I wanted to thank you. You were always nice to me, and for that I am forever greatful. Thank you my friend for everything. Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 04:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

List of oxymorons

I noticed you reverted my edit to list of oxymorons. I thought this was in the same vein as "mournful optimist." If "enthusiastic pessimist" does not qualify, shouldn't that one be deleted too? MrMurph101 00:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Denni. I noticed your theory on deletionism. You reverted my contribution to the list of oxymorons, please see the on-going discussion about "unborn baby" on the talk page. Also, please note that the article is still asking for contributions. And when you delete someone's contribution, please give a reason for it. Most of us appreciate that. Thank you. Phyesalis 23:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Anti Catholic bias

Dear Denni, I am reaching out to three administraitors I picked randomly to help me with an editing probelm. I was trying to edit the John Littlechild entry who was the first head cop of the British Irish Branch. I mentioned some unpopular facts about him including how the founding of the Special Irish Branch was opressive to Irish Catholics and that Littlejohn was a homophobe for helping with the trial of Oscar Wilde after J.L. left the police.

These editions were removed by an editor named Necrothesp whose user ID says he is a British cop! The other fellow who removed the listing seems to be his sockpuppet is Ben W. Bell whose user ID claims he is from Northern Ireland, UK (The fact that he used the term UK and not Ireland shows he is Protestant.) These men repeatedly removed my edits claiming that I was not neutral!

Now, I left the article in its original form until I got some third party help. Please take a look at the entry history and edits. I will not edit until others have assessed the situation. Thanks. 617USA 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Alberta flora

Sorry about that; I didn't intend to revert your edit, but just get rid of the "butt munch" thing. I think what happened was that I noticed the vandalism, then I was distracted for about half an hour, during which time you did your editing. When I got back to my computer, I did a revert without using the "show changes" button (which I usually use), thus making me look like a complete ass. Apologies. Indefatigable 02:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

PSC talk page

That argument had nothing to do with you, so keep your little nose out of it. People like you are always trying to get into other people's business. Don't make me get started on you, either. Understand, tough guy?

Personal Attacks on Talk Pages

Please refrain from personal attacks on Wikipedia talk or user talk pages (like the petty and cruel attack that you left on my talk page). It is official Wikipedia policy that personal attacks are not allowed (see WP:ATTACK). --MeteorMan2 22:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

(taken from MeteorMan2's talk page) You seem to have had a very inadequate upbringing. Have you considered counselling for anger management? Just trying to be helpful. (PS - Please sign your posts.) Denni ☯ 22:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC) You're not really one to speak of civility after a malicious comment such as this, you inconsiderate, condescending, pompous celibate.--MeteorMan2 22:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Groom of the Stool

Dear Denni, You're not right about the Groom of the Stool. The role changed between Henry VII's reign and the early years of Henry VIII's in the way i suggested. It's quite a mainstream view, I think, but try David Starkey, The Reign of Henry VIII: personalities and politics pp 14-15. Yours OhNoPeedyPeebles 21:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Regen Tate Peterson

Hi Cattlegirl. You tagged the above page as CSD G1. I would disagree. While it is definitely a candidate for speedy deletion, my guess is that it is an autobiography by a twelve year old, and not the ramblings of a lunatic. Because it might be quite an ego deflater for this kid to see his article dismissed as nonsense, and because this really is just a vanity page, I'd have tagged it A7 (Unremarkable people, etc). I left a welcome and an explanation of notability on his(?) talk page. Cheers, Denni ^talk 02:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'll definitely keep it in mind- CattleGirl ^{talk | e@ | review me!} 02:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ignacy Żagiell

Hello, could you check Ignacy Żagiell article now? I think copyedit tag is not necessary anymore, but I can be wrong. Cheers. Visor 17:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• I was looking for these dates in the Internet and some Polish paper encyclopedias, but I only found beginning years. Thanks for copyedit. Visor 18:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Transreal number line

Article has now been recreated with a real title if you want to re-nominate it for deletion. It's Greek to me, so I have no idea if it's remotely valid or not. Fan-1967 20:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)