Template talk:National members of the International Golf Federation

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The International Golf Federation (IGF) is the international governing body for golf. Its national member federations are noted here, each of which is noted in the order of its country by the “Select National Member” drop down box, and by its country on the map provided. My attempts to show the IGF national members on this template as listed by that organisation – i.e. per WP:NPOV – have been reverted, with the erroneous edit summary that the IGF “is an Olympic Sports Federation of an Olympic Sport”. The IGF's governance and organisation is shown here. You will see that although the IGF is recognised by the IOC, it is not governed by it. They are separate organisations. No NPOV reason exists to list the IGF national members on this template in a way other than that given by the organisation itself. Daicaregos (talk) 12:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

What we are specifically talking about is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The IGF admits that it has more members than countries for this reason so the initial layout seems fair. My preference would be to leave the list as it is until 2015 when we will know whether GBR will compete as in most sports, or whether British Golf and therefore unfortunately Golfer's will sadly follow football example and choose generally not to compete. (2012 being a exception) Certainly the IGF doesn't have the rights to invite none recognized "countries" to compete at the games. I think the IGF are undergoing lots of reforms looking at it new membership categories for the PGA etc. so lets just wait and see. Yachty4000 (talk) 13:20, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing this. Btw, you are mistaken in thinking that Northern Ireland has a member federation in the IGF. It has not. Northern Ireland is represented by the Golfing Union of Ireland and the Irish Ladies' Golf Union. However, none of the points made above have been addressed. This template is for national members of the International Golf Federation. The Olympics movement has nothing to do with the IGF, nor the way in which it is governed. The IGF alone is responsible for how it lists its national member federations. You will note that the IGF list England Golf, Scottish Golf Union, Scottish Ladies' Golfing Association Limited, and Golf Union of Wales in alphabetical order by their country's name, which is how they should be shown on this template. Individual editor POV has no place here. What may or may not happen in the Olympics at some point in the future is unknown and should not be subject of editor speculation - see WP:CRYSTAL. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. Please reinstate the NPOV edits you reverted. Daicaregos (talk) 16:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

As the creator of the template, and of almost all the equivalent templates for other federations. I have been consistent in using only IOC country codes which is GBR this is what athlete will have to qualify and compete under for the games. Grouping these nations doesn't seem unreasonable and is not an editors point of view more a reflection of Nationality. The template acknowledges that GBR is made up of more than one federation. I don't want to rant here but the federation has to follow the IOC charter and will be getting substantial funding from the IOC. Olympic involvement will only help golf with access to the IOC development program and funding. If the IGF wants to change the template they can do they have a user wikipedia user account and I will not edit it. I notice lots of factual information has been removed from the IGF page about governance of the sport rules. Yachty4000 (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

All credit to you for creating this, and other, templates. However, I am concerned you do not recognise that listing the IGF's national member federations differently from the IGF is, self-evidently, not NPOV, which states: “All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia”. If you have any reliable sources that list the IGF's national member federations in this way, please provide them. Otherwise, please self-revert to the neutral point of view. Many thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Should no substantive response be made here within the next two days, the NPOV list, as noted by the IGF, will be re-instated. Daicaregos (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)