Template:Did you know nominations/Atsushi Fujiwara

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Promoting again after a mistaken pull from prep. Original promotion statement was as follows:
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Atsushi Fujiwara

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Atsushi Fujiwara
Kaijin Akashi

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~~... that the photography book Poet Island by Japanese photographer Atsushi Fujiwara was inspired by a childhood visit to the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien Sanatorium?~~ Kōtarō Iizawa, 藤原敦「詩人の島」, Artscape, 15 April 2015
- ALT1:... that for his photobook Poet Island, Atsushi Fujiwara returned to the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien to depict the world of the poet Kaijin Akashi, who had lived, gone blind, and died there? Kōtarō Iizawa, 藤原敦「詩人の島」, Artscape, 15 April 2015
- ALT2:... that the 2015 photobook Poet Island by Atsushi Fujiwara depicts the ruins of leper colony Nagashima Aiseien Sanatorium, inspired by the poetry of Kaijin Akashi, who lived, wrote, and ultimately died there in 1939? Kōtarō Iizawa, 藤原敦「詩人の島」, Artscape, 15 April 2015

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Helen Appo Cook and Template:Did you know nominations/Beth Van Duyne
Comment: Before Hoary went to work, the article consisted of a single line of prose and a list. Subsequent to my now-withdrawn AfD nomination, Hoary extensively reworked it into an actual article with real prose, and I feel his work should be recognized at DYK.

5x expanded by Hoary (talk). Nominated by Premeditated Chaos (talk) at 04:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

Article now 2996 characters (479 words), was 167 characters (26 words) on August 3. Source is in Japanese, but checks out according to my Google translation. I have one comment, there are nine paragraphs in the "Life and career" section, a number of which are 1-3 sentences and just start with the subject's name. Perhaps they can be incorporated into more complex sentences and longer paragraphs, i.e. "Fujiwara was born in Okayama City in 1963, but his family soon moved..." and so on. I also wasn't sure all the Template:Ill links were working, I don't have much experience with those. Good job overall! -- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 20:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the comments, Patrickneil. I've reduced the number of paragraphs by two. I'm not sure how best to respond to your comment about the Template:Ill links. Possibly you're unused to clicking on and using them, let alone verifying them. Let me explain via the example of "Sokyu-sha [Wikidata]". Years ago we might have written something like "Sokyu-sha (see this article in Japanese Wikipedia)", which is mildly horrid in several ways. If by contrast you click on "Sokyu-sha [Wikidata]" any time before anyone creates the English-language article, you're taken to Wikidata:Q11621542; in this, you look for "Wikipedia" and under that you click on "ja 蒼穹舎" or on any alternative that might have been created. (For all we know, next month some obliging francophone may create fr:Sokyu-sha.) If somebody does create the requisite English-language article, then some bot (I forget which) will soon come around and replace "Sokyu-sha [Wikidata]" with plain (and by now blue-linked) "Sokyu-sha". I hope that this makes sense and that I haven't misunderstood you; if any of the "Ill" links seems wonky, do please say so. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I've struck the original hook. Patrickneil, sorry to hassle you - I've now managed to get Kaijin Akashi up to DYK size; could you give it a quick check to see that it holds up so I can turn this into a two-for-one hook? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:23, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Hoary, I added an ALT2 - thoughts? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:41, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Kaijin Akashi is 1692 characters (279 words) and was created 3 days ago. I think a couple of those Wikidata links, like Sokyu-sha, have "No label definined" at the top of the page, which is why I wasn't 100% they were right, but that's not an issue for these articles or for DYK. Of the two I probably prefer ALT2, but they're very similar.-- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 14:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah ... I see what you mean about "No label defined". I'd like to offer to fix these; however, my limited experience there tells me that any decent attempt to fix an entry requires work on more entries, which requires work on more entries. (An entry for John Harding required two for the book American Independents [one for the work, one for the sole edition thereof], which required one for its editor Sally Euclaire, which required one for a humdrum Chicago Tribune article "Man's limestone building blocks: Landscape for the lens" -- each stage of which had me scrabbling around in Help pages, whose content I've now quite forgotten.) This is not something I'm going to get into in a rush before leaving home. (I realize that you're not asking me to do this.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

For me, the problem with ALT2 is that it suggests that the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien Sanatorium was inspired by the poetry of Kaijin Akashi. As the reader proceeds to the end of the didjano, she realizes that this is implausible/impossible, and then has to parse it all a second time. That particular problem would be fixed by ... that the 2015 photobook ''Poet Island'' by '''[[Atsushi Fujiwara]]''' depicts the ruins of the [[leper colony]] [[Nagashima Aiseien Sanatorium]], where the poet '''[[Kaijin Akashi]]''' lived, wrote, and ultimately died in 1939? But this is poor because it fails to show any connection between (i) the book/photographer and (ii) the poet, other than the leper colony. So how about:

ALT2a ... that the depiction of the ruins of the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien Sanatorium in Atsushi Fujiwara's 2015 photobook Poet Island was inspired by the poetry of Kaijin Akashi, who lived, wrote, and ultimately died there in 1939?

((a) A machine translator might infer that Akashi lived, wrote and died within the photobook (or the poetry); but I think we can trust human readers not to make such blunders. (b) If this text is a bit long, do we need both -- or indeed either -- of "ultimately" and "in 1939"?) ¶ Three or four hours from now RL will remove me from this website, to which I shan't return for around three days. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I like ALT2a; I'll strike the others. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Review needed for second nominated article, Kaijin Akashi. Pinging Patrickneil. Yoninah (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The Atsushi Fujiwara article has been rescued from AfD and is new enough and long enough. The ALT2a hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Two QPQs have been done. I am relying on Patrickneil's review of Kaijin Akashi. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Pulled from prep: the Atsushi Fujiwara article was the one reviewed by Patrickneil, and then again by Cwmhiraeth; it is the Kaijin Akashi that was added and has yet to be reviewed. Reviewer needed for Kaijin Akashi; Cwmhiraeth, do you want to do it, or should someone else be found? BlueMoonset (talk) 23:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Patrickneil reviewed Kaijin Akashi in this diff. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Restoring Cwmhiraeth's approval and Yoninah's promotion to prep, with profound apologies to all concerned. Thanks for letting me know, PMC, that I'd made a mistake in pulling the nomination, so it could be restored promptly. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)