Template:Did you know nominations/Ignaz Kirchner

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Ignaz Kirchner

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Ignaz Kirchner acting in 2015

... that the actors Ignaz Kirchner (pictured) and Gert Voss often performed together at the Vienna Burgtheater, such as Shakespeare's Antonius and Shylock, and George Tabori's Goldberg and Mr. Jay? Source: several

Reviewed: Maya Krishna Roa
Comment: recent death, please handle soon

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Gerda Arendt: I'm not sure the proposed hook is interesting. Catrìona (talk) 02:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

We have only 200 chars. They played more pairs (Jago and Othelle, and those in Waiting for Godot), and they won a prize for doing so, twice. (I don't know if any other male couple did, even once.) Perhaps we should first have an article on the Tabori play in which he is crucified? [1] But I would hesitate to bring that wording to the Main page, same as for "sadomasochistisches Männerpaar". - We could say that his speaking role became the sensation in an opera at the Salzburg Festival, but it's so far off what he normally does. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Catrìona, to get this moving again, I'd like to suggest a hook that makes use of that twice-awarded prize, though the article would need to be amended so it specifies the plays that Kirchner and Voss won the awards for (the information is in the already cited wein.orf.at source, FN9):

ALT1: ... that Ignaz Kirchner (pictured) and Gert Voss were twice awarded Actor Duo of the Year, for performances of George Tabori's Die Goldberg-Variationen and Samuel Beckett's Endgame?

There are probably ways to modify this, if it isn't sufficiently interesting: Shakespeare and Neil Simon (who also recently died) could be used to establish range and give touchstones, though Beckett seems pretty strong to me. We're already at 183 characters, so there isn't much room for change without losing something else. (I don't think we need to give the name of the actual award in German, "Schauspielerpaar des Jahres", and I don't think a link to the magazine that awards it is useful, since the article makes no mention of the award and when I clicked on it from the article I was puzzled as to why I was even sent to that page. Also, there's no room for it.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, fine with me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Review needed of ALT1 hook, since the original hook was the only issue raised in the original review. Note that Gerda Arendt still needs to modify the article so it specifies which plays won the award. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I specified the plays in the awards section, and added the 1998 award to the prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

ALT1 does seem to be interesting and cited inline. However, to conform with the rules, I'd suggest moving the reference to the end of the sentence, as right now it's in the middle without any punctuation mark. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:17, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Done. When you see me making silly mistakes like that, feel free to correct yourself ;) - e will hopefully get to an article about the play before it appears. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 17:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I really don't see what's wrong with ALT0; it goes well with the image, too. I would just shorten it this way:
ALT0a: ... that Ignaz Kirchner (pictured) and Gert Voss often played opposite each other at the Vienna Burgtheater, such as Shakespeare's Antonio and Shylock, and Tabori's Goldberg and Mr. Jay? Yoninah (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)