Template:Did you know nominations/Alfred Fischer Hall
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
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Alfred Fischer Hall
Performers receiving ovations, 10 July 2021
- ... that the Alfred Fischer Hall, built as the machinery hall for a 1912 coal mine by architect Alfred Fischer, was the venue for Beethoven's Fidelio in 2021 (pictured)? Source: several
- Reviewed: Church Missions House
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The fact that it was built as a machinery hall for a coal mine needs to have its relevant reference duplicated after the sentence. Personally I think its past as a machinery hall is more interesting than it being the site of a premiere, and as such I'd suggest that the hook focus solely on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- When it was the machinery hall it wasn't yet an Alfred Fischer Hall. The name is the name of the present-day event venue, and the best way of saying what kind of venue seems to name a prominent performance held there, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's all correct, but could still mean a much lower scale, such as poetry readings and meetings of rabbit-raisers clubs. The grandeur of the place is better pictured than described vaguely, and the image needs to connect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pleading: that the event could be held as part of a festival in 2021 was extraordinary. "Der Mut in Hamm ist fast einzigartig" Courage in Hamm is almost unique. Why not this latest uplifting news on top of the historic architecture? DYK ... that soprano Irma Beilke appeared as Marzelline in Beethoven's Fidelio on 4 September 1945 in the first opera performance in Berlin after World War II? (22 December 2019) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Review
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Looks good to me, hook is fascinating, sources for hook: [1], and [2]. Article was nominated within 7 days of creation. Please be patient if I have made a mistake, this is only the second DYK review I've ever done. Netherzone (talk) 23:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Promoter's comment @Netherzone: your review looks great, everything checks out! I've only few comments, but I promise you still did well.
- If the source is foreign language, you might want to put AGF instead of y, even if you have Google Translate—it's just good practice (I'm assuming you can't speak German, do correct me if I'm wrong).
- It looks like your review got placed below the set of
}}at the bottom of the page. There's no way you could've caught that without combing through the source/trying to close the nomination, but it's something to keep an eye on in general. - The most important one is that I think that if you wanted to move this nomination along, you should have pinged the reviewer first, and if they don't respond in a few days, then you can take the review. It doesn't look like their previous discussion was quite wrapped up. I'm going to ping the previous reviewer here as a courtesy; if they have an objection to me promoting ALT0, we'll take it up at WT:DYK.
- Despite all that, I agree with your assessment of the article, and that's really what matters. I'm going to take ALT0. Nicely done! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)