Talk:Transformational Christianity

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Jesus Camp?[edit]

I'm a little unclear why Jesus Camp is linked to this article. From what I can tell, the focus is on old-line Pentecostal/Evangelical/Fundamentalist issues, and doesn't provide any useful context about "Transformationalism" per se. Could JohnMarkH perhaps explain why we should keep it here?Drernie 17:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms[edit]

I am glad to see someone providing critiques of Transformationalism in the article, but they don't seem very NPOV (at least to me). Is there someone "neutral" who can help clean them up? Is it worth having a separate "criticism" section, or is it best to have the contrary opinion expressed alongside the positive one? Drernie (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the criticism is making the article neutral: reporting what others think who disagree is not of itself lacking in neutrality... Hyper3 (talk) 19:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the main problem is that the criticisms were added directly to the article, rather than being references to existing external criticism. I reluctantly removed them (except for the introductory comments) while updating the article to match Wikipedia's citation guidelines. If anyone still cares, hopefully they can find appropriate sources. Drernie (talk) 11:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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This article is informative, but biased. It should be written without reference to whether the author agrees with Christian Transformationalist thought.

Statements such as "it is an unusual spirituality" and "based on an unusual reading of the Scriptures" seem slanted and serve only to denigrate the subject's positions in favor of the author's.

Some statements in this article are plainly opinions: "In fact, denominations can be seen in the Bible, where Paul had direct influence in some churches (Ephesus, Thessalonica) and not in others (Rome, Jerusalem)." --Such as remark, posed as "fact," is extremely speculative and, again, biased.

Statements linking Transformationalism with other movements or individuals is not helpful (for the purpose of this article) without direct historical reference or careful wording, at least. Otherwise, it is easy to make connections appear where there are none. These connections may in fact be valid, but the reader will not be able to tell. Thus, to the reader, the making of such comparisons, without references, seems either speculative or stretched.

An example of this error within the article in question: "Transformationalism is a more secular version of the Manifest Sons of God doctrine that emerged from the Latter Rain Movement." If kept at all, the wording should be changed to something less connective, until such time as proper references can be made. A more appropriate wording: "Transformationalism bears some resemblance to the Manifest Sons of God doctrine that emerged from the Latter Rain Movement."--although any statement like this is strange without some elucidation of how the two entities can be compared at all. Potentially, a reader will have to read the entire "Latter Rain Movement" article ("Manifest Sons of God" forwards to "Latter Rain Movement") and then surmise how the comparison can be made, just because the comparison was made without explanation or reference.

Additionally, in this particular case--I have not looked into the other comparisons made in the article--, upon reading the "Latter Rain Movement" wiki, I don't see how the "Manifestation of the Sons of God" doctrine bears any noteworthy similarity to Christian Transformationalism at all.

For these issues primarily, I am disappointed in the quality of this article. An encyclopedia is not intended to be composed of essays.

Thebootwillruletheworld (talk) 04:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 22:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)