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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured), praised upon completion as the "finest church edifice on the American continent", was funded mostly by poor Irish Catholic parishioners?

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Why put this section under "terrorism"?[edit]

On December 10, 1989, ACT UP, a pressure group that advocates for AIDS awareness, led a demonstration outside the cathedral as part of their Stop the Church campaign. This campaign was mounted out of disagreement with the Roman Catholic Church's stance on birth control, sex education in the public schools, and abortion. Approximately 4500 people took part. Of these, 130 proceeded to infiltrate the church and disrupted the mass, forcing Cardinal John O'Connor to abandon his sermon. Some of the slogans they chanted included "Stop Killing Us" and "You say, Don't Fuck; we say, Fuck You!"[29] Several protestors laid down in the pews or the aisles to simulate death, while some others threw condoms around the area. One protester walked up to the altar, grabbed a communion wafer and broke it on the floor, saying "This is what I think of your God."[30]

Working Bibliography[edit]

"Terror on Sunday: The Failed Plot to Blow Up St. Patrick's Cathedral." Audio blog post. The Bowery Boys: New York City History. The Bowery Boys, 4 Mar. 2015. Web. White, Norval, and Elliot Willensky. AIA Guide to New York City. 5th ed. New York: Oxford UP, 2010. Print. Will be using these sources to make contributions to this page. Yeilingma (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Shouldn't the word Cathedral be linked?? Kevin143 08:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures[edit]

Any pictures of avaiable of the whole cathedral, that aren't cut off at the top or bottom? 64.108.222.252 18:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canada, Massachussetts, or both?[edit]

This clause doesn't flow very well: "some of the monks traveled to Canada, however, and eventually founded St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts."

Did they go to both Canada and Massachusetts, or just Massachusetts? Ejectgoose 07:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Location[edit]

Scenes from the Adam Sandler comedy films Little Nicky and Mr. Deeds were shot in the Cathedral, as was part of the climatic scene of Daredevil.

These films were not shot at St Patricks.If youve been inside st pats this becomes obvious and the ny archdiocese would never allow these films to be shot there.

Height[edit]

Please, does anybody know how high is this cathedral in metres? Thank you very much. --194.154.255.107 11:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

right, is it really largest Catholic cathedral in USA?--212.119.166.150 06:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maximum height: 330 feet / 101 meters. finded here or here--FearChild 07:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Street Location[edit]

The actual location of the main entrance is on Fifth Avenue and the Cathedral has entrances on both 50th and 51st Streets. There is no public entrance on Madison Avenue. patsw (talk) 04:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Decorated?[edit]

What does "decorated" mean in the context of the introduction? patsw (talk) 04:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1913 Catholic Encyclopedia material[edit]

Here's what the public domain Catholic Encyclopedia has about St. Patrick's, in its article on the Archdiocese of New York:

The Cathedral. St. Patrick's Cathedral, standing on the crest of New York's most magnificent thoroughfare, is the noblest temple ever dedicated, in any land, to the honour of the Apostle of Ireland. It is an edifice of which every citizen of the great metropolis is justly proud. Its style is the decorated and geometric Gothic of which the cathedrals of Reims, Amiens, and Cologne are prominent examples. It was planned in 1853 by James Renwick of New York; construction was begun in 1858, and the building was formally opened and dedicated on 25 May, 1879 (building operations having been suspended, owing to the Civil War, from 1861-66). The site of the cathedral, the block bounded by Fifth Avenue, Fiftieth Street, Fourth Avenue, and Fifty-first Street, has been in the possession of the church authorities, and used for ecclesiastical purposes, except during a very brief interval (1821-1828), since 1 March, 1810. The block on which the Cathedral stands was purchased at its then marketable value and therefore never was a gift or donation of the city, as has been said sometimes, either ignorantly or even with conscious malice. The corner-stone was laid on the afternoon of Sunday, 15 August, 1858, by Archbishop Hughes, in the presence of an assemblage estimated at one hundred thousand. The address delivered by the archbishop is regarded as one of the most eloquent and memorable ever uttered. The gathering may be considered the first public manifestation of that great Catholic New York which became the wonder and admiration of the nineteenth century, and it lent inspiration and power to the magic of his ringing words of joy and triumph.

St. Patrick's Cathedral is the eleventh in size among the great churches of the world. Its dimensions are as follows, the Lady Chapel excluded: Exterior:--Extreme length (with Lady Chapel), 398 feet; extreme breadth, 174 feet; general breadth, 132 feet; towers at base, 32 feet; height of towers, 330 feet. Interior:--Length, 370 feet; breadth of nave and choir (including chapels), 120 feet; length of transept, 140 feet; central aisle, 48 feet wide, 112 feet high; side aisles, 24 feet wide, 54 feet high; chapels 18 feet wide, 14 feet high, 12 feet deep. the foundations are of very large blocks of gneiss, which were laid in cement mortar up to the level of the surface. Above the ground-line, the first base-course is of granite, as is also the first course under all the columns and marble works of the interior. Above this base-course the whole exterior of the building is of white marble. The cost of the building was about four million dollars. In the original plan there was an apsidal Lady Chapel, but work on this was not begun until 20 July, 1901, during the administration of Archbishop Corrigan. It was finished by Archbishop Farley in 1906. The architect was Charles T. Mathews whose design was thirteenth-century French Gothic. This chapel is 56.5 feet long by 28 feet wide and 56 feet high. The building of the Lady Chapel was started by a memorial gift for that purpose from the family of Eugene Kelly, the banker, who died in New York, 19 Dec., 1894. Eugene Kelly was born in County Tyrone, Ireland, 25 Nov., 1808, and emigrated to New York in 1834. Here he engaged in the drygoods business, and later at St. Louis, Mo., whence he went to California in 1850 during the gold excitement. As a banker and merchant there, he amassed a considerable fortune the interests of which took him back to New York to live in 1856. He was a trustee of the Cathedral for several terms and identified with the Catholic charitable, educational, and social movements of the city. In the crypt of the chapel the deceased archbishops are buried and the vault of the Kelly family is at the rear of the sacristy under the Chapel.

Perhaps some pieces of this could be quoted in the article? I'd prefer this be used like any copyrighted source, meaning quoted from only if explicit credit is given. Quotes can be longish though, as copyright fair use limitations don't apply to PD text. doncram (talk) 22:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Timeline of Saint Patrick's Cathedral[edit]

I am not sure if this is an appropriate question for the Wikipedia discussion page but, there is some information from Saint Patrick's Cathedral's website, which I find a bit confusing. On http://www.saintpatrickscathedral.org/150.html Saint Patrick's Cathedral's website, under the heading Our History: 150 Years of Inspiration and the sub-headings, Historical Timeline, 1785, it states that there were only 200 Catholics and one Priest living in New York city. This seems very unlikely, given that New York city was the USA's former capital, and to the best of my knowledge, a thriving metropolis. Does anyone know if this statement, is an accurate one? If so, can someone explain why there were so few Catholics living in NYC, in 1785? Could it be that there were ONLY 200 registered Catholics in the congregation of Catholic churches in NYC, at the time? (I believe St.Peter's was the only Catholic church in NYC, in 1785.)

--Irshgrl500 02:59, 12 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irshgrl500 (talk • contribs) --Irshgrl500 03:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)--Irshgrl500 03:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where's mention of the Opie & Anthony sex scandal? --98.232.176.109 (talk) 10:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick to become a Basilica[edit]

According to WCBS St. Patrick's Cathedral is to to become a basilica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red1530 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This Church is not a Basilica[edit]

The church that became a Basilica is St. Patrick's Old Cathedral in Little Italy (or NoLiTa, if you prefer.) Someone should move this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.202.113 (talk) 02:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. Check out the link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.210.150 (talk) 20:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is a different church. That is St. Patrick's OLD Cathedral. There are two (2) St. Patrick's Cathedrals in Manhattan. The one that has been designated as a Basilica is the OLD Cathedral. This is the article for the NEW Cathedral. The link specificall states that the church in question is the OLD cathedral. Again, that is not this church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.202.113 (talk) 22:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The above posting are correct. It was the OLD St. Patrick's that became a Basilica (see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html) The title of this page should be the Cathedral of St. Patrick's not the Basilica of St. Patrick's Boston2bronx (talk) 03:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC) Boston2bronx[reply]


Money Paid for Land[edit]

The history section states (in its first sentence), "The land on which the present cathedral sits was purchased for $1,120,000 on January 30, 1810." This is ambiguous--is that 2011 dollars or 1810 dollars? I think inflation means 1810 dollars are worth about 100 times as much as they're worth now, so that would mean that the land cost 100,000,000 dollars in today's money--which is ridiculous. So can we clarify what year of dollars we're talking about? Especially as there's no citation to back the figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.2.66 (talk) 04:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

The {{Prose}} template was added to the In popular culture section. As most IPC sections are formatted as lists, how does converting this section to prose improve this article? patsw (talk) 15:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Manhattan or NYC[edit]

Should the title location of the cathedral be New York City? Manhattan could be the city in Kansas or the beach in California but NYC is definite. The co-cathedrals of St. James and St. Joseph are listed as simply Brooklyn, not Downtown Brooklyn and Prospect Heights.Goldnpuppy (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be beneficial to list the location as Manhattan rather than simply New York City. Considering that there is no other identifying information in the infobox as to the cathedral's location (aside from the geographical coordinates that are listed below in the NRHP section), it would be best to be as specific as possible when listing the location. As for the issue of Manhattan being potentially ambiguous, it clearly lists New York State immediately following where New York City presently is (and where Manhattan would be). Since there are no other Manhattans in New York State (and the Manhattan borough of NYC being arguably the most famous of the various Manhattans around the world), there should be little potential for confusion. Ergo Sum 14:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've modified the infobox location in such a manner that I think should be agreeable to all. It reads: Manhattan,
New York, New York, which yields in plain text: Manhattan, [next line] New York, New York. Ergo Sum 14:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Zucker[edit]

Did Alfred Zucker have any role in the architecture of this building? Design of a chapel? I'm seeing his name pop up repeatedly in relation to St. Patrick's Cathedral in relation to a hotel in Buenos AIres.. Hmmm... Perhaps there is a St. patrick's Cathedral there? I will have a look. Any assistance appreciated. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently he designed St. Patrick's Catholic Church in Meridian, Mississippi. It seems that many guidebooks have misunderstood and assumed the one-time NYC architect designed the famous Cathedral. Ah well, hopefully clarification on Wikipedia will help sort all this out. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Purchase of the property -- Explain edits of 06 December 2013[edit]

1) Removed "Gay und wennn sie nicht gestorben sind dann leben sie noch heute" at the end of the section.

2) Replaced text at the beginning of the section, which had a broken ref tag.

3) Restored mention of the 'fine old house' and the chapel of St. Ignatius,

4) Changed 'fight' to 'gift' -- to match the text in the source.

-- Verwirrt (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery Creation[edit]

I created a Gallery and added it to the article today, moving 4 photos currently included in the article to the Gallery section. Any additional images added to the article should be included in this section so that they are not hanging off the page, leaving alot of white space. The appearance of the article is improved with the addition of the Gallery since several photos are not hanging in white space off the end of the article. Thanks, Daniellagreen (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Change to NRHP[edit]

Considering that St. Patrick's Cathedral is of architectural and historic significance and that it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) as well as being listed a National Historic Landmark (NHL), its infobox should reflect this status, as most NRHP and NHL sites do. The NRHP infobox can be integrated and embedded in the existing Infobox Church. I propose that this change be made to the infobox to preserve the existing infobox but embed the NRHP infobox into it. Ergo Sum (talk) 02:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I embedded the NRHP infobox into the existing infobox church and added the requisite information, citations, etc. It includes designations for National Register of Historic Places, National Historic Landmark, and New York City Landmark. Ergo Sum (talk) 01:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Restoration[edit]

Conservation of the building fabric was overseen by Building Conservation Associates, Inc.[1] 74.64.168.150 (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC) am[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Hello! I'll be reviewing this article as part of the July 2021 good article nominations backlog drive! Any section that I've marked with a  Working tag means that I haven't finished leaving comments there, but you're free to begin making changes as soon as you see them! Kncny11 (shoot) 19:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox and lede[edit]

  • Good

History[edit]

Early site history[edit]

Planning[edit]

  • Pipe "Irish" to Irish Catholics
    • Done.
  • That being said, I'm confused by the connection between Irish-American Catholics and needing additional dioceses in NYS
    • I've rephrased it. The need for additional dioceses came from the growth of the Catholic population, not the fact that most Catholics were Irish. Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • A chapel "for" the Blessed Virgin sounds not quite right (violent flashbacks to Catholic school and being told we do not worship Mary, we venerate her). "Dedicated to" is more accurate
    • Done. Not being Catholic myself, I knew something like this might come up. Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The plans" → "Plans for the cathedral"
    • Done.

Construction[edit]

  • "though the precise location of the cornerstone remains unclear"
    • Removed.

Opening and late 19th century[edit]

20th century[edit]

  • "intending to consecrate it in 1908, after all debts were paid off" → "with the intention of consecrating it after all the debts were paid off in 1908"
    • Done.
  • Comma after "12 female saints"
    • Done.
  • The New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) considered designating St. Patrick's Cathedral as a New York City landmark in early 1966.[170] Later that year, the LPC designated the cathedral as a New York City Landmark. Currently repetitive, but I'm not sure the best way to reduce said repetition

21st century[edit]

  • "Retoration" and "renovation" are used interchangeably here. In my mind, those aren't exact synonyms, but you are probably more of an expert than I
    • This particular renovation was mostly a restoration. but I reworded anyway. Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe include something from this article about how COVID restrictions impacted the church?
    • Done. This is actually a duplicate of the NYT article already on the page. Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Main structure[edit]

Location and dimensions[edit]

  • "Heat and cool air is pumped" → "Heat and cool air are pumped"
    • Done.

Western facade[edit]

  • "patron of the church" → "patron of the Church" (lowercase church is a building, uppercase is a denomination)
    • Done.
  • WL archangel
    • Done.

Nave[edit]

  • Four of the first five sentences of this section all begin with "The nave"; should be broken up/reworded
    • Done.
  • Double period at the end of the section for Tiffany & Co.
    • Done.

Transepts[edit]

Sanctuary[edit]

Crypt[edit]

  • Is there a date for when the stone slab was removed?
    • I haven't found an exact date, but more recent coverage doesn't mention the slab at all. Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cathedral close[edit]

  • More dates throughout the Lady chapel section would be nice -- when the rear wall of the apse was removed, when it became part of Our Lady of Lourdes, etc.
  • "The original altar, dedicated to the Virgin Mary,"
    • Done.
  • "vicar-general" is lowercase and hyphenated here, but title case and not hyphenated above
    • Fixed.
  • "it covers a lot measuring 54 by 47 ft"
    • Done.
  • The part about the Fitzgeralds' wedding segues awkwardly into the main topic of that paragraph; it would almost be better off on its own as a third, one-line paragraph
    • Done - perhaps I can find a few more notable weddings to round this out. Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Staff[edit]

  • This would be better served in prose form, I believe (i.e. "Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan has served as the Archbishop of New York since 2009, and as a cardinal since 2012. Other priests at the cathedral include Rev. Donald Haggerty, etc."). Also, King, Haggerty, Golino, and Dougherty should be prefaced with the honorific Rev.

Bells[edit]

  • Link to the appropriate saints in the table
    • Done.

Organs[edit]

  • I think that a list of every organist and music director, including assistant organists, borders on trivia. Maybe just include prose on the notable ones and what they contributed?
    • @Kncny11: I just trimmed this to just the main organists. I'll probably write up some prose tomorrow. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Funeral Masses[edit]

  • In its current state, this reads as trivia. Is there more background that can be given as to the history/importance of funerals at the cathedral? (I know what I'm asking is vague)
    • I will look into adding a little context to this. Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Strangely, I couldn't find too much context about this in my research. A similar thing occurred when I was considering whether to add marriages, notable speeches, etc. to the article - it was just a bunch of one-off incidents. Therefore I've hidden this section for now. Epicgenius (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes and terrorism[edit]

  • "the northwest corner of St. Patrick's Cathedral" → "the northwest corner of the cathedral"
    • Done.
  • "but there was only one victim" → "One casualty was reported" (with new sentence there)
    • I did this, but instead of "casualty" (which may be confused for a death), I added "injury". Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "anti-police graffiti" → "the acronym A.C.A.B., or "All Cops Are Bastards""
    • Done.
      • On further thought, Ergo Sum brought up a good point that the refs don't specifically mention ACAB. Epicgenius (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  • In [7], chicagotribune.com should be replaced with Chicago Tribune
    • Done.
  • There's an awkward space in the author name of [9] (Pitts, Carolyn)
    • Done.

General comments[edit]

  • Stability and neutrality both look good
  • All of the pictures check out, as expected
  • While no pictures are "irrelevant", the placement of the facade detail image seems out of place within the article itself
  • Earwig copyvio score sits at 36.7%, a little higher than I've seen from you, but it looks like it's all proper nouns
    • Yeah. A few of these instances were unfortunately very hard to avoid without making them read awkwardly. Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a strong way not just towards GA, but FA! One of the reasons I picked this review is because I am Catholic, and being part of the Church of Rules means knowing all of the hyper-specific terminology and capitalization. Plus, I actually got to go to Mass at St. Patrick's a few years ago! Was visiting a friend in Manhattan and had to pop in real quick for an Assumption Mass. Kncny11 (shoot) 20:59, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kncny11: Thanks for the detailed review, especially the pointers about the terminology. I'm glad you seemed to enjoy the article. I've responded or addressed most of the issues and will address the rest over the next few days. Epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kncny11, sorry, it is taking a little longer than I expected to clean up the organists and funeral masses sections. These were mostly from the preexisting article before I expanded it. Epicgenius (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kncny11: I've resolved all of the outstanding issues now. Thanks again for your review. I really enjoyed it, particularly the errors you pointed out from your own knowledge as a Catholic. Epicgenius (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Epicgenius Thank you for taking the time to make those revisions, particularly some of the prose conversions! Looks great, and I'll be passing! — GhostRiver 21:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.architectmagazine.com/project-gallery/st-patricks-cathedral-conservation-renovation-and-systems-upgrade_o

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Patrick's Cathedral
St. Patrick's Cathedral
  • ... that New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured), designed with a marble roof, instead received a "temporary" plaster and wood roof that was never replaced? Source: Thompson, Ginger (November 24, 1996). "`An awesome place to pray'; Church: St. Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue has drawn visitors through the century, from the pope from Rome to city dwellers right across the street". The Sun. Baltimore. p. 2A.
    • ALT0a:... that New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured), designed with a marble ceiling, instead received a "temporary" plaster and wood ceiling that was never replaced?
    • ALT1:... that New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured), praised upon completion as the "finest church edifice on the American continent", was funded mostly by poor Irish Catholic parishioners? Source: Thompson 1996; Stern, Robert A. M.; Mellins, Thomas; Fishman, David (1999). New York 1880: Architecture and Urbanism in the Gilded Age. Monacelli Press. p. 317
    • ALT2:... that no one knows where the cornerstone for New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured) is located? Source: Roberts, Sam (October 13, 2011). "At St. Patrick's, a Cornerstone That Has Long Eluded Searchers". The New York Times
    • ALT3:... that New York City's St. Patrick's Cathedral (pictured) took 20 years to build and another 30 years to consecrate? Source: "Mgr. Farley Officiates at the Consecration: Princes and Prelates of Church Gather at St. Patrick's in Honor of Occasion". New-York Tribune. October 6, 1910.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Very nicely improved article. Significant overlap with a website that appears to be a WP mirror, per Earwig. AGF on some of the hook sources. Just awaiting QPQ. Ergo Sum 19:41, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ergo Sum: Thanks for the compliment and for the review. I have done a QPQ now. Epicgenius (talk) 16:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go. Ergo Sum 18:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substituted ALT0a for ALT0 after consultation with Epicgenius. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can I recommend ALT1 with an image slot Kingsif (talk) 18:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To T:DYK/P3 Z1720 (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vital status[edit]

FYI Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5#Remove St. Patrick's Cathedral (Midtown Manhattan) czar 08:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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