Talk:Origins of the Hermit Friars of the Order of Saint Augustine and Their True Establishment Before the Great Lateran Council

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Saint Francis of Assisi
Saint Francis of Assisi

5x expanded by Mccapra (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 01:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I crossed out the first two hooks because I don't like them anymore. SL93 (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Article was expanded greatly within the required timeframe and is exemplary, carefully referenced work in a suitably neutral and informative style. The sources look good- assuming good faith on foreign language sources. Image is in the public domain, used in the article, and looks good at thumbnail resolution. QPQ done. Hook is interesting, short enough but I have a query about sourcing. That the Origen made the claim about Francis is stated in the article with an inline citation, but the "unreliable sources" claim seems to depend on a statement later in the article, sourced to ref 4. My reading of ref 4 page 29 is that the sources being discussed would have been regarded as unreliable in the early 18th century; it leaves open whether they are now considered unreliable and hence whether Wikipedia should describe them as unreliable. Am I reading that right? MartinPoulter (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I get for threading a hook together while multi-tasking. You're right. I am going to propose -

Nomination[edit]

Can someone remove the footballer. Regards --Devokewater@ 12:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Devokewater What do you mean? If you’re referring to the DYK nomination, I can’t remove it. Editors with more than 5 DYK nominations (like myself) need to review a DYK beforehand and post proof of it in their nomination. SL93 (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SL93 (talk) see above, the reference to: Reviewed: Paul Callaghan (Gaelic footballer) it's in the wrong place. Regards --Devokewater@ 15:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Devokewater That is where the mention is supposed to go and how the DYK template is set up. Every single DYK nomination is like that. SL93 (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SL93 thanks Devokewater@ 15:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

Is it OK to ask for the two redirects to be deleted, via RfD?

Regards --Devokewater@ 12:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Devokewater I would be fine with that. SL93 (talk) 15:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I tagged the second one for speedy deletion, but I left the first one because that link is what the AfD is referring to. SL93 (talk) 15:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind. I don't think either will qualify for speedy deletion. I'm not sure how to complete a double nom RfD. SL93 (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Origins of the Hermit Brothers of the Order of Saint Augustine and Their True Establishment Before the Great Lateran Council" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Origins of the Hermit Brothers of the Order of Saint Augustine and Their True Establishment Before the Great Lateran Council. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 19#Origins of the Hermit Brothers of the Order of Saint Augustine and Their True Establishment Before the Great Lateran Council until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Devokewater@ 15:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was Saint Francis an Augustinian friar or not?[edit]

I’m not sure if I am asking this correctly or in the correct place.. The article says the 1618 work argued the controversial claim the Saint Francis of Assisi probably was an Augustinian friar. The sources of the work later were shown to lack credibility, but part of its claim (that Augustine was a hermit) was shown to be true anyway. However the claim about Saint Francis was never resolved. Was Saint Francis an Augustinian friar or not? Or is this still in dispute? Vigilfree (talk) 08:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. As the main author of this article I’m going to go with ‘no’ as the answer to that. Actually I don’t know for sure because I haven’t researched it. But I can tell you that the sources I’ve looked at in writing this article take the view that this was a bold and rather ridiculous claim made on spurious evidence in the heat of a very bad-tempered dispute, and nothing more. If you want an answer that will stand up in court you’d need to ask an expert in St Francis. All the best Mccapra (talk) 08:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I only contribute to Wikipedia occasionally. I'm guessing the article will not be changed regarding this until a more knowledgable editor steps in, if ever. So be it.Vigilfree (talk) 05:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There’s no reason to change it, other than for clarity. The article doesn’t say St Francis was an Augustinian, it says that this book claimed he was. It is factually true that the book claimed this, and the article makes clear (I hope) that there was no solid basis for the claim. Mccapra (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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