Talk:Marvel: Ultimate Alliance/Archive 2

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Archive 2

Archive 3

News Off the MUA VIP Forums

They have confirmed that there WILL be downloadable stuff for the game to be released in March. No word on exact contents or supported platforms though.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.27.17 (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Siryn

Siryn ought to be removed from "status unknown". She's not playable.-Oort1

She's not in the game as far as I have seen.--Dil 23:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

psp

they just reveld the last psp exclusive and its black widow not nova

ps3

I just noticed something. The MUA article lists the PS3 version as being available on November 6, when the PS3 console itself will not be available until November 11 in Japan and November 17 in the US and Canada. How can a game for a system be released 5+ days before the console itself? Is it that the release date for the PS3 version is wrong or that the game for the PS3 is being released ahead of the console itself? I'm missing something here. Vgamer101 22:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Nightcrawler

On the official website there is a poll. The poll asks for favorite playable characters. Nightcrawler is one of the choices.--Ashslayton 14:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

it says that only 3 of the 4 are playable and the others are iceman invisible woman and human torch who have been shown as playable.--Casio100 16:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooops...you are right. Fixed table. Nightcrawler is an NPC!--Ashslayton 16:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Nightcrawler is in the new wii trailer, though no in game shots, if he isn't playable/unlockable then he is the only one in this picture that is unplayable. http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6381/wiitrailerscreenshotwk3.jpg GrantRS 13:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Nightcrawler is being released as a character availible over X-Box live Marketplace

Onslaught

Am I reading it wrong again? The official website reveals Onslaught as a new character, doesn't it? I'm assuming villian...--Ashslayton 17:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

By "new character onslaught", they meant that they were revealing an onslaught of new characters (if that's what you're referring to).

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Steve (sorry, Blackberry's don't have tildes)

Ah...that makes more sense. Guess I was reading it wrong.--Ashslayton 20:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Zarathos has been confirmed as a skin for Ghost Rider

Somebody posted some pics of them on the VIP forum. So stop deleting it

Right, because "someone posted a thing in a forum" means that it's instantly true. Until it's officially announced, I don't really see a reason to keep it around.24.217.231.225 21:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to post my name after my posts, but it has been stated that each character will have 4 costumes, and all 4 of Ghost Rider's have been revealed: Modern, Classic, Phantom Rider, and Vengeance.

kalina discredited it someone made it them selves the only alternet skin for ghost rider is vengence

Nova

Nova keeps being listed as a PSP exclusive, but I haven't been able to find any evidence that this is true. There's not citation and he's not listed on any of the VIP pages. -anon

Once again, I don't know how to post my name after my posts, but this review says she's in the PSP version: http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37698

This also has Ms. Marvel's name as MS. MARVEl and not WARBIRD so I would kindly request that whoever keeps changing it back to Warbird stops.

Assuming Nova is in the game, the link doesn't specify which Nova. Nova-the New Warrior or Nova-Frankie Raye. The link used for Nova should probably be changed to reflect that. -anon

Moon Knight

Khonshu really shouldn't be listed here. They most likely meant the "Fist of Khonshu" costume Moon Knight wore, and therefore is just another costume for him and not another character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.209.216.242 (talk • contribs) 00:24, October 16, 2006

They just gave the name Khonshu, and I think they would have said "Fist of Khonshu" if that's what they ment. This will need clarification, but for now I'd say that Khonshu is an alternate skin. JQF 15:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I still say it shouldn't be there. Khonshu's never done any "heroing" and, if I'm not mistaken, has never been depicted outside of shrines, statues, and the like. I'm of the opinion that the situation is too ambiguous and it should be removed until there are pictures confirming whether or not Khonshu is indeed an extra character.

The description of the costume was simply Khonshu. Just saying "Khonshu" would refer to a person called "Khonshu", rather than a different costume. Keep it. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 16:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I've got the game and the strategy guide. It's not the god, Khonshu, it's just another Moon Knight costume, his Fist of Khonshu gear, as stated above. Please remove the listing and leave it off, as it is incorrect. 140.185.215.122Steve

I was correct. In the guide, it is definitely not the God, Khonshu. It is most definitely Moon Knight. It needs to be removed. Here is a screenshot of the costume: http://i11.tinypic.com/2cxb02g.jpg.

Costume

the iron spider is one of spidermans costumes so please leave it

Iron Spider suit is one of them, but it doesn't make Spider-Man a different character, so don't list it, thanks. pho3nixflame69

Attacks

Does anyone think we should write the playable characters attacks?

I don't think so. Wikipedia isn't a game guide. RobJ1981 23:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Universe?

Is this game set in the Marvel Universe? I just saw a preview for it, and while Spider-Man himself looks and sounds regular, Captain America, Thor, and Wolverine are all in their Ultimate continuity costumes. Does this mean the game is set in the Ultimate unverse, or is it just that the character designer liked the ultimate costumes better or something? Tai112 10:19, 18 October 2006 (Eastern)

It's not in the Ultimate Marvel universe...almost none of the locations and very few of the characters mentioned as being in the game are in the Ultimate Universe yet...but the more important distinction: Nick Fury isn't the Samuel L Jackson version, which is kind of a shame. Vignettelante 04:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, then, that should probably be in the article, to avoid confusion. Tai112 12:19, 19 October 2006 (Eastern)

Alright - added it in under Locations, which makes sense cause it's located in Earth-616. Right? Eh? Eh? Vignettelante 17:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Actuallly, we don't know. I suppose you could say it takes place in Earth 616 like X-Men Legends did, but saying it takes place in Earth 616 means it's canon, which nobody has said it is. I've adjusted the bit accordingly. JQF 18:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the X-Men Legends games have their own universe distinction from Marvel.

Phantom Rider

Phantom Rider is listed as a character when it's one of Ghost Rider's Costume. Although there are some costumes on the list, why is their a disscusion on removing iron spider because it was spider man's costume.

Because Iron Spider is stupid? :) No, really, while Beta Ray Bill and Phantom Rider are classed as alternate costumes in the game, they are actually separate characters. Iron Spider is just an alternate costume, either way. Basically, Iron Spider is Spider-Man, Phantom Rider is not Ghost Rider. So we can list Phantom Rider as a separate character, whereas it doesn't make sense to do so for Iron Spider. Kelvingreen 20:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Except that in terms of the game, they're just alternate costumes, the character does not change based on the outfits.

If that character gains a level, it will still say 'Ghostrider gained a level', not Phantom Rider. I think listing the alternate costumes as 'extra' characters is excessive. It's a little bit of a lie, insinuating there are more characters available to play in the game. TotalTommyTerror 16:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but you're still playing as the character, even if it says it's just an alternate costume.

View to a Kill

Does any one know if Cyclops will be playable. I know he is seen in captured by Doom, but so is Hulk.

• • Gambit as well, however the status is unkown for all three, however they still might be unlockable! But for now they are NPC.

They are not playable. or NPCs. An "evil" cyclops is a boss battle, though.

Hulk and Cyclops are being added in the April X-Box Live Hero Pack 66.144.132.50 13:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Add Captain Marvel, confirmed

He's PSP exclusive, VIP site!

Add Ms. Marvel

On the letters page in issue #8 of Ms. Marvel released October 18th, they said Ms. Marvel would be in the game. AlexMc 02:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Damn, she wasn't listed when I posted this, then was when I looked again. :P AlexMc 02:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

She's there, I have the game

Status of Emma Frost

Does anyone know the status of Emma Frost one way or the other yet? She's been on the list of NPCs in the article for about a week and no one has removed her, yet I can literally find no mention of her anywhere official, unless she's on the VIP site.

Someone added her about a month ago as well, along with Beast and Shadowcat, but it was determined that the person who did that was lying.

Is that happening again? 66.191.228.218 08:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Onslaught

What happened to Onslaught listed as a villian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.161.224.10 (talk • contribs) 11:24, October 23, 2006

He was never confirmed, the term was just used to refer to the revelation of a bunch of new NPCs. JQF

The new table for characters

I simply hate it, is there a good reason it's there? The old method was much better and neater. I see no notes whatsoever here about it, so someone just felt it should be changed without discussing it here first? I think a general discussion about the table should be made, before it's changed to a new format. RobJ1981 18:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Hense why I changed it back... for the 3rd time in the past hour! (P.S. since this is the place to discuss new table lay-outs then I thought it would be a good idea to create a seperate list detailing each characters alternate costumes-this would also help put a stop to the Iron Spidey argument!) LloydyJr

The old table is messy, uninformative and unprofessional. There are misaligned sections and large white spaces. The boxes were illogically divided. The new table is much more informative and neat. What defense is there for the old system? --Jamdav86 20:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The table being discussed

Playable characters

Name	Alternate Character	Unlocked?	Sixth Generation	Seventh Generation	PSP
Blade	None	Y	Y	Y	Y
Black Panther	None	Y	Y	Y	Y
Black Widow	Unknown	N	N	N	Y
Captain America	U.S. Agent	N	Y	Y	Y
Captain Marvel	Unknown	N	N	N	Y
Colossus	None	N	N	Y	N
Daredevil	Unknown	Y	Y	Y	Y
Deadpool	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Dr. Strange	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Elektra	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Ghost Rider	Vengeance Phantom Rider	N	Y	Y	Y
Hawkeye	Unknown	N	N	N	Y
Human Torch	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Iceman	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Invisible Woman	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Iron Man	War Machine	N	Y	Y	Y
Luke Cage	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Ms. Marvel	Sharon Ventura	N	Y	Y	Y
Mister Fantastic	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Moon Knight	Khonshu	N	N	Y	N
Nick Fury	Unknown	N	Y	Y	Y
Ronin	Unknown	N	Y	N	Y
Silver Surfer	None	Y	Y	Y	Y
Spider-Man	Scarlet Spider	N	Y	Y	Y
Spider-Woman	Arachne Spider-Girl	N	Y	Y	Y
Storm	None	N	Y	Y	Y
The Thing	None	N	Y	Y	Y
Thor	Beta Ray Bill	N	Y	Y	Y
Wolverine	None	N	Y	Y	Y

--Jamdav86 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The old table was fine. Why do we need such a long table? The original table was neat, and not just a long list of characters. Considering there is only a handful of exclusives, unlockables and so on... the old table works just fine. RobJ1981 22:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The old table makes no sense. A high school student could tell you that it is not a proper table. A cell should contain one piece of information only. The old table has four cells, each containing various pieces of information, and two more tables just below it that contain similar pieces of information split off for a minor difference. My table is a proper table that makes sense. The old one is a jumble, a mess. --Jamdav86 09:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that, ultimately, Jamdav86's one is more encyclopedic than the previous one. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 12:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, just to add to my last comment; now the game is out, everything under the table in Characters isn't needed, so no more or less space will actually be used, should the new table be added. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 12:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The old table is the norm for these kinds of things. If you look at other games of this nature (X-Men: Legends for example) they have the same system. As for it being a "proper table", it is because it's not a matter of how much information is in it, so long as it is organized in a proper manner. While your new table does look nice, it is very redundant. It takes up a lot more space to convey the same information that the old table did. I'd also like to ask what you would do with the NPC and villain sections, because by your standards, something would have to be done with those sections as well. And yes, now that the game is out, the info under the table can be removed, although that will have to wait until the page protection is removed, which was implemented because of the edit war going on over this table. I think that the best solution will be to have the unlockable, PSP and Next-Gen columns be moved to the same row as the playables, and more columns be added to the NPC and Villain rows, since there are suppose to be many more of them to be revealed. JQF 13:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it should just be a list like WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth, WWE SmackDown! Here Comes The Pain etc.. --Jamdav86 14:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

That's just a straight up list, and since every character shown is playable in those games, and it's only for one system, it works for them. However, with the NPCs, Villians and exclusives, we need something more complex that a straight up list. JQF 18:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the old list should stand. It seems fine. Also, why is it necessary to list each and every NPC? I realize the game features many characters, but I don't think it's that important to list every character. X-Men Legends for example: features more than what is it listed, but certainly we can't list each and every NPC or random villain. There is a difference between a list, and a cluttered list. The game is out now (for several systems). Someone that's played the game, should certainly go through the NPC list and only list the notable names. I noticed on the X-Men Legends 2 page, there is a section for people "briefly in cutscene". That's not very important, in my opinion. A brief appearance doesn't make a huge impact on the game, it's not worth mentioning. I can somehow bet the NPC's in the game won't all be shown alot, there will be brief appearances as well. Is it really that necessary to list brief appearances? Encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little thing. RobJ1981 18:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think every NPC or Villian will end up being listed, what with there being ~140 of them. As far as I know, everyone listed so far plays an important role in the game, to one degree or another. JQF 19:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's the characters in list form. This is a lot better than the tables that are currently up.

Playable Characters

Black Panther (unlockable) Black Widow (PSP exclusive) Blade Captain America[1] U.S. Agent Captain Marvel (PSP exclusive) Colossus (7th Generation exclusive) Daredevil (unlockable) Deadpool Dr. Strange[2]

Elektra Ghost Rider Vengeance Phantom Rider Hawkeye (PSP exclusive) Human Torch Iceman Invisible Woman Iron Man War Machine

Luke Cage Moon Knight (7th Generation exclusive) Khonshu Ms. Marvel Sharon Ventura Mr. Fantastic Nick Fury (unlockable) Ronin (PSP exclusive) Silver Surfer (unlockable) Spider-Man[3] Scarlet Spider

Spider-Woman Arachne Spider-Girl Storm[4] The Thing Thor[5] Beta Ray Bill Wolverine[6]

NPCs

Balder Black Bolt Black Widow Corsair Clea Crystal Cyclops Dum Dum Dugan Emma Frost Edwin Jarvis Gambit

Gorgon Hank Pym Heimdall Hermod Jean Grey Karnak Lilandra Lockjaw Namor Namorita Nightcrawler

Odin Professor Xavier Sif Triton Tyr Uatu the Watcher Valkyrie Vision Volla Wong Wyatt Wingfoot

Villains

Abomination Arcade Attuma Baron Mordo Blackheart Bullseye Crimson Dynamo Dark Phoenix Deathbird Dragon Man

Doctor Doom Dormammu Empress S'ybll Enchantress Executioner Fin Fang Foom Galactus Gladiator Grey Gargoyle The Kraken

Kurse Loki Mandarin Mysterio Mephisto M.O.D.O.K. Radioactive Man Rhino Scorpion Shocker

Skrull Queen Super-Skrull Tiger Shark Titannus Ulik Ultimo Ultron Winter Soldier The Wrecking Crew Ymir

Heroes (Playable Status Unknown)

Siryn

--Jamdav86 11:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's better. It's basically table with fewer columns, no border and bigger headers. Maybe if you incresed the number of columns it would be on par. JQF 14:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The border's the bit that makes me want to puke on the existing list. If you need the border, do a proper table, if not, do the above.

You can have as many or as little in each column as you like. I have no preference. --Jamdav86 14:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The old table is still better. Also, in my opinion...a spoiler note needs to be put above characters. Not everyone wants to know every character in the game. Some people actually like to be surprised, when it comes to games. RobJ1981 18:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, Siryn needs to be moved to NPCs. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 18:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The spoiler warning must have removed during the edit war, and I didn't see it before the page got protected. Well, if it seems that most people want the old table to stay, so I'll go ask the page to be brought out of protection. JQF 18:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm ready to unprotect, but I just want to be sure, everyone's agreed on what version to use? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I prefer the second table personally, but I resent referring to the 360 and PS3 consoles as '7th generation'. That isn't a broadly used term, in fact I've never heard the new/next gen consoles referred as such. And it should read '360/PS3 only'. TotalTommyTerror 16:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

What the hell happened to Ronin

Somebody removed Ronin from the list.... AlexMc

Causualty of an edit war, but it's been fixed. JQF 14:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

In Development? O RLY?

Because I have a store-bought copy right here. Doesn't seem to be 'in Development' any longer. Can someone please ditch the tag?

I'm pretty sure all versions aren't out yet, so the tag should remain. RobJ1981 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The tag should be modified. I don't know I what state the Wii, PS3 and DS version are in, but the tag can be changed to "Most version have been released", or something like that. JQF 19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is a tag like that. I don't see much point in anyone making a tag like that, since release dates for different versions are usually not that far apart. RobJ1981 22:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

unlockables

some of the characters listed as playable are actually unlockables, like Blade, Ghost Rider, and Doctor Strange. Onua10004 02:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

See above - We're not counting characters unlocked by normal play; just those that require specific conditions (I.E. Completion, collecting figures)Goldenboy|talk|contribs 16:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then you should put Silver Surfer in the characters box, he's unlocked by defeating galactus.

And you should put Blade into the unlockable section - unless I am mistaken, he is unlocked by playing a mini-game in the Murderworld section and easily overlooked. Nik 11:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

A known vandal using the IP 72.10.121.233 has constantly been moving the unlockable characters Blade, Dr. Strange, and Ghost Rider every time they are put in the right place. Any further edits by this person should be immediately reverted.Neoyamaneko 05:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Weasel

Weasel is in the game. Trust me I have played it. I beleive he is the guy that makes Deadpool's gadgets. I couldnt edit the page but will someone edit it for me

I know! they need to list him on NPC's . It is hilarious that he hits on Valkerie, LOL

It says there is some sort of dialogue btween Weasel and Black Widow. Does anyone know what it said (yes i did finish the game)

More Characters

We need to update the list. Weasel,Beast,Psylocke,Namorita,and others need to be on it. Also take Syrin out. She is nowhere to be found in the game.

Lizard,Senator Kelly,Weasel, and Paibok

They need to add these characters on the chart.

6th/7th generation?

I know that technically Wii is a 7th gen console, but given that it's not as powerful as the other 7th gen machines, how does that difference apply in games such as this? Will the Wii version of MUA have the 7th gen graphical features, characters, etc? Kelvingreen 17:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

7th Generation means the 7th generation of consoles - not the processing power, graphics, etc of the consoles themselfs.

Yes, I understand that. However, Wii is considerably less powerful than the other 7th gen consoles. My question is whether the features exclusive to the 7th gen MUA build are exclusive because only 7th gen machines have the power to make them work, or for another reason. For example, at a guess, I'd say that the graphical embellishments on the PS3/XBOX360 versions won't be present on Wii, but I don't see why the 7th gen exclusive characters shouldn't be available on Wii, as their inclusion isn't down to processing power, presumably. In other words, are the 7th gen exclusive features available on all 7th gen consoles, or just the ones powerful enough to handle them? Kelvingreen 11:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

7th Generation = X-Box 360, PS3 & Wii. The Wii will have the same characters as the 360 and PS3, so yes, the Wii will have both Colossus and Moon Knight/Khonshu as characters. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 15:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

And the graphical embellishments? (and yes, I do know Wii is 7th gen ;)) Kelvingreen 10:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering that you just said you know the Wii is less powerful than the PS3 and 360, that question is rather unnecessary and you already pretty much answered your own question before asking it. Being as it less powerful but still 7th gen indicates that it may have all the same characters, but lesser graphics. This is just speculation though since as of now, the Wii has not been released. I don't think any of us really know what the real info is. I guess we'll have to wait. Vgamer101 20:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I got another question. What about the PC version of the game? It doesn't really count as either 6th or 7th gen content since it is an open-ended platform, so what contents in terms of characters does it have? Vgamer101 05:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The Imperial Guard

Warstar,Neutron,Hussar, and Starbolt need to be added as bosses. Take Abomination off to I beat the game and he isnt in.

Is it not possible that (1) you missd him by taking another path through the game, or (2) that he's not in your version of the game? Kelvingreen 10:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Negative. I've got the guide and the game, Abomination is not in the game in any way, shape, or form. ~~Steve

S'byll and Mysterio

Empress S'byll and Skrull Queen...one of these should go, since she IS the Skrull Queen.

Also, Mysterio needs to be added to Villains. Thanos6 13:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The game is out now, so...

Do we really have to cite sources and include all these bulleted facts regarding characters in a game that is now out and availible to the general public? The page would look a lot better without all the text between the cast chart and "Voice Actors" section. Just thought I'd bring it up here first instead of going ahead and editing it myself, in case anyone felt there were any legitimate objection to this kind of thing. 68.227.95.2 16:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No, none of that has to be there anymore. JQF 16:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, delete all of the citations. We dont need them

Dark Fantastic Four

Someone put the Dark Fantastic Four also include Senator Kelly,Paibok, and anyone else forgotten

The Dark versions of playable charactetrs don't need including.

Someone fix the character table

It looks terrible

Villain list

It's getting way too long. In my opinion, every villain in the game doesn't need to be listed. Many of the names on the list are only villains in a small training level: that's certainly not that important to list. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a game guide to every villain that makes a small appearance in the game. RobJ1981 01:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. Only villains who play an important role in the game should be on the list. JQF 15:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I must respectuflly disagree. It's important to list all the Marvel Characters that appear in the game, as it's touted as having the most comic characters ever. Having the game myself, I must say there are a great many who should be noted.

As I said before, this is an encyclopedia: NOT a game guide. It's not important to list each and every character. If someone appears briefly in the game: doesn't need to be listed. If someone briefly appears in a comic mission (training level: not a huge part of the game): doesn't need to be listed. RobJ1981 03:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It is precisely for the reason that this site is in fact an encyclopedia that we should list all the characters. This is a site taht gives you all the info. Which characters you can play/meet is important to many people in reference to a game that claims its got the most comic book characters ever!

Rob name ONE villian that you see in a training mission that you don't in the game and I will prove you wrong.

Moon Knight

Khonshu is NOT an alternate character. It is still Moon Knight. Here is a screenshot of the costume: http://i11.tinypic.com/2cxb02g.jpg.

Thanks for that. Still a shame though. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 18:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Empress S'ybll and Dark Phoenix

So, umm, I just beat the game and I never encountered Dark Phoenix (I fought a mind-controlled Jean Grey, but she was labeled as Jean Grey) or Empress Syb'll (Though their was a character somewhat anonymously labeled as a Skrull Empress). Did I miss something or are these assumptions based on to events in the game. Sevenzeroone says: Poopy is not fun! 13:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I beat the game earlier and there's that montage at the end which tells you about what happened in the future based on what you decided to do in-game. If you chose to save Nightcrawler instead of Jean Grey, then Uatu forecasts that she will return and seek revenge on those who did not save her, with a screen of her as the Dark Phoenix, all pulsing with the flames of vengeance and whatnot.Blindblue

Yeah, but that's not in the game. I mean, Mystique and Surtur are mentioned in the destiny video, and they don't belong on the list either. Sevenzeroone says: Poopy is not fun! 13:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Jean's in her Dark Phoenix costume, but that's about it. She's obviously not actually the Dark Phoenix entity, as she's on Galactus' power level in that state. Sy'bil is the Skrull Empress. 140.185.215.122 13:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)Steve

I realize in regular continuity Sy'bll is the Skrull Empress, but in the game the character is just called Skrull Empress, we can't assume this one is Sy'bll. Sevenzeroone says: Poopy is not fun! 22:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Villain and NPC sections need alot of cleanup

It's not important to list each and every Villain or NPC (non player character). If someone appears very briefly as a NPC, it shouldn't be listed. Same goes for lesser villains of the game, as well as people that only appear briefly in a cutscene movie. Just because the game features over 100 characters, doesn't mean a good percent should be listed. Remember: Wikipedia isn't a game guide. RobJ1981 23:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Rob you already said it.And everybody still doesn't agree with you.

ROB, as the game claims to have the biggest Superhero cast ever and this is a site were people come for info, then it is important to list all the characters. If it pleases people could we not start a new page listing all the characters? We have this for Final Fantasy 7. CrazyFoolMrT 14:45, 13 December 2006

Except the afforementioned pages for the Final Fantasy games also have information about the characters, as many of them appear in just the one game - Remember, only FFVII, FFX & FFXIII have sequels or spin-offs. Considering many -if not all - all the characters in Ultimate Alliance have their own pages, it's not neccesary, as the page would just contain a list.

Playable and Unlockable?

We have characters that are unlocked at one point in the game, like Ghost Rider, and characters that are optional unlocks, like Blade, in separate sections. They should probably be merged. Anyone have any say on this?--Agent Aquamarine 13:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC) read this"unlockables

some of the characters listed as playable are actually unlockables, like Blade, Ghost Rider, and Doctor Strange. Onua10004 02:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

See above - We're not counting characters unlocked by normal play; just those that require specific conditions (I.E. Completion, collecting figures)Goldenboy|talk|contribs 16:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then you should put Silver Surfer in the characters box, he's unlocked by defeating galactus.

Negative... Silver Surfer is unlocked by completing all the simulator disc missions. This has been confirmed by the VIP site and by people who have actually unlocked him in the game (such as myself) and people who haven't after beating Galactus. 140.185.215.122 14:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)Steve

And you should put Blade into the unlockable section - unless I am mistaken, he is unlocked by playing a mini-game in the Murderworld section and easily overlooked. Nik 11:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)"

He's unlocked during gameplay. You don't have to complete the game to unlock him.

You can unlock Black Panther and Daredevil as early as act 3 as well, so that's an invalid argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.187.212.128 (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Luke Cage (Powerman)

Right, uh.. This guy is a playable character, on all versions. And he's not in the main list. So i'm going to go ahead and fix that if I can, and if I can't, someone'll have to fix that for everyone. Just letting you guys know.

Uh, okay. Apparently he is there, just out of order. I skipped over him cause I was looking in 'L' for Luke Cage and 'P' for Powerman.

Venom?

Venom is listed in the villains list. Does he actually appear in the game, because I've never seen him. I'm playing the PS2 version though, so IF he isn't in that version of the game, which version is he in? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.28.60 (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Hate to say it, but Venom is not featured in this game. One of Spiderman's skins is the symbiot costume, but other than that he's not inclued. There is always hope for the sequal.

Venom will be available in the Xbox 360 Villians Pack... which we could update the article with, if it wasnt locked. TehPhil 13:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Story section

Does it really need to be so long, detailing every single aspect of the game? It was fine before, when it was just a brief synopsis. The same goes for the features section, the second & third paragraphs are unneccesary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.16.10 (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

Cleanup required in Playable Characters

I hadn't played this game but I found the following characters listed and none of them feel right:

• Michael Scott

• Dwight K. Schrute

• Green Lantern

• Batman

• Fidel Castro

Somebody obviously has a good sense of humor, but remember that Wikipedia is supposed to be a serious site. If you want to be funny, please go to Uncyclopedia and send your work there. ----(Self-Cannibal)

Dark Shadowcat???

I heard here on Wikipedia that on some consoles they have Shadowcat as a boss like Cyclops and Psylocke and like them, she is called Dark Shadowcat. Can some one varify this for me and others. Thanks pho3nixflame69

It's a lie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.31.76 (talk) 21:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Continuity Removal

Removed the continuity section because it is ridiculous and I'll explain why.

In the cutscene prior to the final attack on Doom's castle, Cyclops is depicted wearing his Astonishing X-Men costume. However, when the player fights him, he is wearing his Ultimate X-Men costume.

Because people can't change their clothes? Nobody at work tells me there's a problem with my continuity when I come in wearing different clothes than I was wearing the previous day.

During the ending seen if the player allows Nightcrawler to die, Nightcrawler is clearly visible as alive.

Nightcrawler is a teleporter, and won't die anyways. It's a flashback scene, and has no bearing on narration.

In the cutscene prior to the final mission, it is shown that the Hulk, Magneto and a squad of X-Men consisting of Professor Xavier, Shadowcat, Gambit, Colossus, Emma Frost and Cyclops had attempted a failed assault on Doom. This leads to a plot-hole on the next-gen versions of the game, as Colossus is a playable character in those versions of the game but he remains in the cinematic.

He's only playable on the Next gen systems anyways. And he may have been a last minute change after the CG was finished.

In the final cutscene Doom says "Odin you can't be free!!" evan if the player chooses not to free Odin.

Because nobody else (including himself) could free him?

I honestly didn't want to argue this, but I felt that I should in case somebody thought this sillyness had a place in the article. TotalTommyTerror 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, personally, i could care less. I just made up that section because I was cleaning out and removing a trivia section and didn't want to step on anyone's toes by deleting something. I honestly agree that it doesn't make sense to ahve it on ehre, as this is not imdb. Kudos on the decision to remove.TheGreenFaerae 07:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody plz put a list of all the characters taken out in the doomsday sequence because i cant see half of them but i swear i saw Kitty's dragon Lockheed - malleuslord

Voice actors for Mandarin and Swordsman?

Any luck? Ominae 01:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It almost sounds like James Sie is voicing Mandarin. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Negative, it's Steven Rattazzi. My brother and I were lol'in' all over the place when we recognized the voice of Dr. Orpheus from Venture Bros. in a role as an evil wizard. TotalTommyTerror 14:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Nick Fury's different Model Imprortance

First of all, it should be made clear that marvel Ultimate Alliance, and the preceding similar X-Men Legends games do not take place in either Ultimate or Classic continuity. Having said that, Ultimate Alliance was, unarguably, built upon Legends technology and arguably Legend's story. In fact, the games really would link up well, as, if you are playing the Current gen versions; the models are virtually the same. The only thing that does not line the two series up is Nick fury's model. In the Legends games, Fury was depicted Ultimate style, i.e. a Sam Jackson Look-alike. In Ultimate Alliance, he is depicted classic style, i.e., an old white guy. The Difference in the model used for storyline is significant because this difference is what makes the two games clearly distinct. Without this difference, it could be said that Ultimate Alliance was a story sequel to the Legends games. Now, TTT said this was not significant because Ultimate alliance takes place in the ultimate Universe, putting aside this incorrect statement for the moment, the Ultimate Fury model is not used in any cutscene. The cutscene Furies are different. That is what is significant.TheGreenFaerae 01:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources other than personal observation to which your claims can be referenced? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There is as reliable a source as there is for the levels section, or the storyline section. That is, the details are unarguable and clear. Their importance is debatable, but their existance cannot be disputed, and the games code and cutscenes act as source enough.TheGreenFaerae 01:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Also it answers this question that was put forth in the locations section; "Also, there is no word that it definitively takes place in the Earth-616 universe or the X-Men Legends universe." The completely different models obviously rule out that it could take place in the Legends universe.TheGreenFaerae 01:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

So no, you don't. Please refrain from putting your personal interpretation in the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's nto my personal itnerpreation in this case, ti is fact. It is two different mdoels. It is clearly two diffrent models. Why is proof jeeded to say two things are different in thsi case?TheGreenFaerae 01:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Fien I removed the following sentence: " It can, however, be inferred to take place outside of the Legends universe, as there are many differences between the Marvel universe as depicted between the two series, such as costume choices and the use of Classic Nick Fury as opposed to ultimate Nick Fury." I still feel you are askign the unreasonable, but since you're going to be so obstinate about it, now there is no speculation. It will return when ti can be sourced.TheGreenFaerae 01:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Protected

Due to the edit war over the past few days, I've full protected the article. Please come up with a consensus. Once it's reached report back to WP:RFPP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiLeon (talk • contribs) 02:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you for your quick response. Okay, here's my statemenet on the amtter. A Man in Black, originally upset with a statement that, in the itnerests of compromise, later deleted. Apparantly this set him off ont he article, however, and he began deleting massive amounts of the article, basically everything he felt needed to be cited, which, in his eyes, is every singel statement. I believe he is holding the apge up to yto strict fo a stanbdard, but in the tinerests of community consensus, i asked him to elave it up to the community, tio which he summarily refused, saying it was a vioaltion of wikipedia policy to put verifibaibility up to what eh felt was essentially a popular vote. I reverted all changes both of us made to the last uncontroversial edit before the page was protected, so please, let's gather a wide consensus than just the two of us. Also, I am in a rush, so i do not have time to throughly spell check, so, if someone gets a chance before i get home, pelase do spellcheck this for m,e. Thank you.TheGreenFaerae 02:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I started in fixing the awful grammar and spelling in this article, as well as the largely advertising tone, and started in on converting the big, ugly bulleted lists into encyclopedic prose, and ditching the uncited speculation about continuity. This is what cleanup means on Wikipedia. TheGreenFarae is inexplicably attached to a speculative claim about what comic continuity this does or does not fit into, and rather than provide any sources to justify including it in the article, has slapped {{fact}} on it as though it solved the problem.

We don't vote on verifiability, and the standard it's being held up to is nothing more than WP:CVG's standard style, verifiability, and standard, legible style without any advertising prose. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with this assertation. I am not saying what comic universe it falls into. I am saying that there is no evidence to say what universe it belongs to. They are two very different statements. And, as to the claim that a lot of verifiable sources are needed, it's a friggin video game. Just how many sources do you think honestly talk about a video game other than a review of it. The few things that can be sourced, like the voice actors and the levels featured in the game, you view as cruft, and I checked the diffs to confirm that you just deleted them. Many things about video games cannot be sourced because no one is going to publish a magazine just discussing the nuances of a video game storyline in almost every case. This is not a biography. There are no sources other than trusting common sense and just looking at a video game for many references. I acknowledge that the assertation that the two Fury's being different could be considered speculation, and I deleted it myself. A Man in Black, however, still viewed the statement that there is no evidence as to what continuity it falls into as speculation that needs to be sourced. I believe that, left to his own devices, AMiB would reduce this article to a stub, as virtually all the good information is either unsourced or arguably cruft. TheGreenFaerae 05:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, sources are nto nessicerrily needed in every situation. Much of what AMiB has a problem with is simply unsourced material, which is accepted by WP:A, "Unsourced material is material not yet attributed to a reliable source." i think he is confusing some of these statements with original research which is material that cannot be attributed to a reliable source. Much of this disputed content could very easily be attributed to an original source. It's jsut not mentioned at alrge because it's either common sense or too minor to go out of your way to note.TheGreenFaerae 05:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no evidence that this fits into the New Universe, New Universal, or DC's comic continuity. Should we mention those, too? Of course not.

Of course those ar eotu of palce. But the game is called MArvel, so mentioning MArvel contuinuties makes sense, as it is a major topic of discussion, as you have told me in your own words.TheGreenFaerae 05:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There are no sources that make any mention of continuity at all. I am challenging this content, which has gone for months without a cite. Slapping {{fact}} on it doesn't solve this problem.

And jsut how woudl you cite a statement like that? You want a source for the statement that there are no sources?TheGreenFaerae 05:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As for the lists, this article is ugly as hell. I was trying to ditch lists in favor of encyclopedic prose, as is typical here on Wikipedia, and you reverted faster than I could edit. It's not possible to do cleanup when the only response is wholesale reverts. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The main list I have an issue with is the voice actors one. Is it that notable to list all of them? Look at just about any other video game article: there isn't a massive voice cast (or any voice list for that matter). RobJ1981 05:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure why we bother with voice actor redlinks for "Incidental voices". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Rewording the lsits is fine. What AMiB did, hwoever, was simpyl deleted the lsits. He didn't reqword them, he deleted them.TheGreenFaerae 05:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Some examples of AMiB's amazing prose:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marvel%3A_Ultimate_Alliance&diff=115465729&oldid=115465209

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marvel%3A_Ultimate_Alliance&diff=115464105&oldid=115463212

TheGreenFaerae 06:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty of Marvel comics and one shots using existing characters, that don't fit into regular Marvel continuity. The same can be presumed with this. We don't need to note every single discrepancy between this game and the Marvel Universe. It's easiest to say this game is based on the Marvel Universe.

There's no reason to note differences between this game and the X-Men legends games. At no point was it ever mentioned that this was actually a sequel to the Legends games. It's the same engine, and uses similar characters but that doesn't make it a sequel. Nobody is calling Rainbow Six Vegas a sequel to Unreal just because it uses the Unreal engine.

Noting differences between the games based on the characters are insignificant. We might as well mention every character in the game that wasn't in any other game ever.

"Spider-Man appears in Marvel Ultimate Alliance, but oddly enough he wasn't a playable character in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance."

That's ridiculous. This article should be kept to minimum encyclopedic references and not subject to every minor amount of fancruft, speculation, and meaningless trivia. TotalTommyTerror 13:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I concede this point and accept that the stuff about the different furies should not be mentioned. However, the rest of the mass deletions at large and such committed by AMiB that I still have a major problem with. I do no want to see this article reduced to a stub because virtually everything falls under one of AMiB's criticisms.TheGreenFaerae 21:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest, then, perhaps listening to what I'm saying. I was planning to convert the lists to prose, not merely delete them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure you were. You could have just converted to prose in the same edit. You did not do so. In fact, three consecutive edits made by you after deleting the list, the information was still nowhere to be seen. And, if you were converting to prose, why did you delete the section heading? Shouldn't the section heading still be there for the prose equivalent? You weren't converting a thing, and you know it. You were mass deleting. The evidence for this is there. Your intentions of "converting to prose" No evidence whatsoever of that. And another thing: Why does ti have to be prose? This is not a novel. For much of this information, like the locations, a list is the best method of conveying that information. Maybe you did actually find a a better prose way, but here's no evidence of this. If you were goign to convert, surely one of those three edits that occurred after the deletion and before i reverted would have been said conversions. They were not. Ergo, you were nto going to convert. I think you're trying to hide your true motives myself.TheGreenFaerae 22:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In addition, why is ti that this idea of "converting it to prose" only came up after i reverted it because of your baseless claim of cruft?22:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Because we talk about things using examples and encyclopedic prose on this project, instead of making massive exhaustive bulleted lists. That's part of Wikipedia's standard style. (By the way, it's really hard to write ANYTHING in the thirty seconds you waited before reverting. Please lay off undo in the future when it's obvious that someone's in the middle of rewriting.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You deleted the section heading as well. It wasn't apparant you were "rewriting". You can rewrite and REPLACE without deleting. It was obvious all right. It was obvious that you were trying to sneak a deletion by without a fight. You do not have to delete prior to rewriting. You can rewrite then replace without using actual edits, so the actual conversion would be done within ten seconds, and in a single edit. The only reason you would delete the content AND the SECTION HEADING ITSELF was that you wanted to delete the content. The first time you did this, you didn't say anything about "rewriting". Instead, you clearly said you were deleting it as "cruft", a view which only you seemed to hold. At the very least, you used the edit process badly to accomplish your goals. The edit list shows no sign of wanting to "convert to prose" It shows a wish to conduct mass deletions of the information at large. I'll concede that maybe you wanted to convert to prose. But there was no evidence of this, and the evidence that does exist suggests you were using a false edit summary to delete information you had a problem with.TheGreenFaerae 22:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In addition, you had a full three minutes AT LEAST to rewrite the small section, if that was what you wanted to do. Not 'thirty seconds'.22:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

This flame/edit war is ridiculous and self-serving by 2 editors. Please reach a compromise to unlock the article.

I can buy that. I' willing to propose that, as we cannot seem to compromise, that we both give up and let someone else do it if it needs to be done. By the way, please sign your comments. Thank you. TheGreenFaerae 23:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

One of you two needs to follow the instructions at the beginning of this topic and let WikiLeon know he can unlock this article. Important news has surfaced regarding MUA and no one can post it because the topic has been locked for over a week! Kungfu52 04:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's my idea for a consensus. Since we cannot agree, neither of us edits. Removes the conflict and does not imply anyone to be right. TheGreenFaerae 08:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Versions Update

The second paragraph of the Versions section, specifically the sentence regarding forthcoming updates to the Xbox 360 version via Live Marketplace, needs to be cleaned up grammatically. I suggest something like:

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance VIP web site [link?] has officially announced that there will be downloadable characters on the Xbox 360 version via the Xbox Live Marketplace at some point in March. (No specific date has been announced.) No other details have been announced and it has not been said whether any other platforms will have access to these characters.

Since (presumably) this matter will be resolved within the next few weeks, this will eventually need to be changed anyway, so it’s not a huge deal, but it’s still jarring to see grammatically incorrect text in the middle of an otherwise well-written article. - Mortuorum 20:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Alliance Markeplace DL Content

BTW, they announced the new characters to be available for download in April via XBL Marketplace:

• Magneto
• Cyclops
• Nightcrawler
• Sabretooth
• Venom (!)
• Doctor Doom
• Hawkeye
• Hulk

You can find the source here: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimatealliance/news.html?sid=6167963&om_act=convert&om_clk=gsupdates&tag=updates;title;1 24.32.185.38 04:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I came across this same information here: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/775/775365p1.html , but the article is protected because of some rediculous edit war over minor details, and I can't update it. PhilShady 01:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Was it announced if they would be free downloads or not? That would be worth noting in the article. TotalTommyTerror 13:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

No. the packs will cost about 6 to 10 USD. But Activison recently said they are having problems with the pack causing trouble with saves. A rep for the company said they are still working on the QA.

It's 800 points for both packs or 500 individually. There also has been a delay on them and the release date is now up in the air. The actual article is on ign. (I'll find the link in a few) Blood Wraith 23:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone heard if Gold Edition will be released for other consoles?

Box Art

Can we please decide on a box art to display? I find it silly that there is none, because people can not decide on the version they want displayed, if an agreement cant be met I will just do one that has all 3 next gen viewableTehPhil 20:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Expansion Voice Actors

For the Heroes and Villains download part on this game, we already know that Clive Revill voices Doctor Doom, Dee Bradley Baker voices Nightcrawler, and Robin Atkin Downes voices Bruce Banner and Dark Cyclops. If only we knew who was voicing Cyclops, Hawkeye, Hulk, Magneto, Sabretooth, and Venom. Any ideas? Rtkat3 (talk) 3:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Number of Heros

In the different missions, what is the max number of heros you can use at once? Is it possesible to use something like Spider-Man, Daredevil, Wolverine and Human Torch all in one mission/level?

You can have up to four heroes on a team, except in the GBA version, where you have 3 controllable heroes and one striker for special attacks. The specific combination you reference would only be possible after unlocking Daredevil. 76.214.167.226 01:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Joe fixit

Is he considered to be different character than Hulk? If so he should be added with Hulk.

Character Specific Dialogue

Who can provide a list that completely details all unique interactions between playable characthers and other characters?