Talk:Lamed He Operation

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Operation name[edit]

Does this operation bear any relation to the Convoy of 35? Chesdovi (talk) 00:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I remember that I read something that link this operation with Convory of 35, but I am not sure... I was trying to locate what I previously read about both articles with no use. Once i find any relation I'll add it. If u have any information please update. Thanks Yamanam (talk) 15:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barrat Qisarya[edit]

Why do historians view Barrat Qisarya's disappearance as "enigmatic"? Chesdovi (talk) 00:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a good point, I shall look it up and add it here. Yamanam (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gush Etzion ?[edit]

Why has the Gush Etzion category been added? Chesdovi (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was a mistake from my side, thank you for notifying, will remove it in a bit. Yamanam (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

The references used for this article need to be improved, and made more accessible. Could an ISBN # be provided for the Israel Even Nur book? I could not find a single mention (outside of Wikipedia) of this book. Also, could the actual source for the Hasomer Hazair archive be provided? It is clearly a reference to some other book where the researcher had access to the archives - and per WP:CITE , that source needs to be named, not the primary document. Ditto for the 1948 NY Times reference. NoCal100 (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable material removed from article - for discussion[edit]

"Daliyat Al-Rawha: The initiative for the attack had come from Yossef Weitz, who wanted to use the new phase of operations to capture the village." - the reference for this is a diary entry dated 11/1/1948, but the article claims that the plan was only presented a month later, so it hard to see how the two are related.

"Barrat Qisarya: Located on the sandy beach close to the ruins of the Roman city of Jaffa. Although this village had no Arab defense in place, both Israeli and Palestinian historians refer to its disappearance as quite enigmatic." - the name (and other web refernces) suggest that this is a pkace just outside Qisarya. not "close to the ruins of the Roman city of Jaffa" (which is not a Roman city). Th e"enigmatic" claim is enigmatic in itself.

"Sa'sa: The order to attack Sa'sa came from Yigal Allon, the commander of the Palmach in the north, and was entrusted to Moshe Calman. Allon explained that the village had to be attacked because of its location. Allon wrote to Calman, in reference to the Sa'sa attack: "We have to prove to ourselves that we can take the initiative". Sa'sa was attacked at midnight. On April 16, 1948 the New York Times reported that a large unit of Jewish troops had encountered no resistance from the residents as they entered the village and began attacking.[8] Calman's troops took the main street of the village and systematically blew up one house after another while families were still sleeping inside. Calman commented on the attack saying: We left behind 35 demolished houses and 60-80 dead bodies.[9]" - according to Sa'sa, the village was captured in Operation Hiram, many months after the date of this operation.

these claims are all either unreferenced, or poorly referenced. NoCal100 (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV tag[edit]

All of the sources are from an obviously one-sided book. There's presumably another side to the story, but without its inclusion, the article merits a POV tag. THF (talk) 12:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Even more than Ilan Pappé is not still a controversed historian and his thesis do not fit the mainstream ones. Ceedjee (talk) 21:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Title of page[edit]

Wikipedia style is to spell the Hebrew letter Hei, rather than "Heh." Any objection if I move the page? THF (talk) 12:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, please go ahead. Yamanam (talk) 14:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this article is a duplicate of Convoy of 35. Maybe now is the time for a long-overdue merger. Zero^talk 03:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, since there is no useful content here that is not done better in Convoy of 35, I'm changing it into a redirect. I'll also make a redirect Lamed He Operation since He is the spelling of that letter used by Wikipedia. Zero^talk 14:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]