Talk:Kipkay

Legitimate entry

This is a legitimate entry. I've abided by as many wikipedia guidelines and formatting as I could find and spent a considerable time researching this subject. The article is chalk full of notoriety and importance, i don't understand why it should be flagged. Many people who work/worked intimately with Make Magazine have entries, why shouldn't this guy? See Bre_Pettis, Shawn_Connally,Gareth_Branwyn Jonirvinedotcom (talk) 04:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC) jon irvine

Notable

Kip Kay will soon be edited, and is important to future inventors and creators. He has appeared on Science channel on TV and has been mentioned on major TV news networks such as Columbus, Ohio's NBC 4. His videos have thousands of views a day and his personal web page gets thousands of hits daily as well. Please do not delete this personal page, as it will soon be edited by the man himself soon. Keith Fox 20:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)ChiefFox

MAKE

This article doesn't mention that Kip also works for Make_(magazine), mostly doing videos for Weekend Projects featured in the magazine. Just thought I'd point it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.77.22.171 (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Move request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Kip Kay → Kip Kedersha — -- It is his real name. --67.180.161.183(talk)_{00:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)}

• Oppose The article indicates he's best known as Kip Kay. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens. Propaniac (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Notable??? And this article reads like a bio

I thought Wikipedia had rules against articles obviously written as adverts.

This article has clearly been written either by Kip Kay himself, or someone associated with him.

As well, I'm not convinced of his notability. He's a Youtube user who has a lot of subscribers.... does that make him notable enough to warrant an entire page on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.197.157.85 (talk) 02:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

(copied my earlier comment from the Notability Noticeboard): Agree article had been somewhat promotional, but basically factual; not sure who had been writing the article. There are references in Wired as well as Wall Street Journal about him. If YouTube views => hundred million then it's hard to argue that he's not notable. Not sure if he should be called an "Internet celebrity", but I changed it in a copyedit to something like "Internet personality". Generally I think he's notable but I'm wondering what others think. I copyedited the article to try to remove unsourced promotional stuff. Removed tag. One more thing: the WP article gets about 100 hits a day (an unofficial sign for me that he's notable). Further, another editor whittled out more of the unencyclopedic content. Basically, I think it's in much better shape.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion notice

I think the former article was promotional, but the current version is acceptable -- not perfect, but much better. About the comment about "self-promotion"; I can assure you that I am not Kip Kay, nor am I associated with him in any context. And I wrote much of the current article. Kip Kay didn't. I think the guy is interesting, and notable partly by virtue of the huge interest his videos have attracted on YouTube (this is my personal opinion) -- but he's also covered by other places as well and meets notability guidelines because of this coverage. So I don't think the proposed deletion (by an anonymous user) is reasonable; if people think it should be deleted, then the proper course is AfD but I will vote keep.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I respect Tomwsulcer, his opinions and the work he has put into making this article as compliant as possible. At the same time I have a bit of a different opinion and would like to be notified of the PROD so I can add my two cents. Thanks to all!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, thanks, and I respect your contributions too, Keithbob, and I realize there may be legitimate reasons for deleting this article, since forums like YouTube haven't become accepted in the same way that a newspaper like the NY Times has become. If people think this should be nominated for AfD then the community can vote on it; I have my own issues with pop culture (expressed elsewhere) but I've come to accept that that's how it is; and I've come to accept that even if you (Keithbob) and I both decide to try to delete this, it won't happen, because pop culture wins. do u know what I mean? Like, it seems to trump everything practically; so I'm at the shrugging-my-shoulders stage of accepting this, and if this is the case, to treat it like everything else, fairly, impartially, and I think the article (in present shape) comes fairly close to treating the subject in this light. :) --Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Tom, You have raised some valid points. I'm not on a campaign to delete this article but if it comes up for discussion I'd like to participate as I think it's a bit marginal. Meantime, if it stays in its OK with me. :-) Peace!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 20:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Keithbob for your sense of fairness and I'm close to your position too. :) --Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with pop culture being represented at Wikipedia if its presence does not result in the exclusion of "serious" content. Wikipedia doesn't operate rationing or quotas. Personally I tend to be more interested in the serious end of the spectrum but I'm happy to acknowledge that an article about Kip Kay, with his widespread internet popularity, helps provide Wikipedia with universal appeal and value.Opbeith (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Proof?

Is there any proof that KipKay was born in 1957? He's a YouTuber, so that can't be truth! 82.13.79.52 (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because... Kip Kay is awesome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.5.5 (talk) 00:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because... --189.146.210.73 (talk) 00:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC) kipkay is famous and people wants to know about him, and besides you have lots and lots of storage so dont delete this!

Would it be too much trouble to show us that Kip Kay is indeed as famous as you claim? Please familiarize yourself with our inclusion guidelines. Just because we have "lots and lots of storage" doesn't mean we should let everyone waste it. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 02:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The opinions of editors discussing here are varied, so I think this article should be definitely taken to AfD for proper and transparent debate. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I feel the subject is non-notable and the issue should be taken to AFD.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 22:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because... --194.171.91.225 (talk) 07:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

its good for the make magezine an hemkes funny how to videos i watch them all the time so dont delet it pleas

Notable

A few points:

• Deleted articles do not free up space on the server. Wikipedia 'deleted' articles are only hidden from public view.
• Some of the arguments here appear to be puerile and do use up server space. 'I like it', "I don't like it', 'He is awesome', 'He is famous', etc., are not serious at all, are certainly not serious Wikipedia arguments, and have no bearing on clearly defined notability critare eria.
• With references to the LA Times, Wall St Journal, and The Independent, this subject is clearly more notable than your favourite child soap actor who gets by with an almost empty listing in IMDB, or a high school ball game player who got a fleeting mention in a local weekly newspaper, or or a character in an obscure anime. or a kid that was a runner up in a 'Got Talent' show, or a one line stub about your middle school or junior high.
• This Article would pass any WP:AfD. Stuff to read and and really get exited about: WP:GNG, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:RS, WP:BIO

--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably 90% of all contemporary BLP are written by fans, press offices, and the subjects themselves. If the articles are neutral and correctly sourced, there's nowt much we can do about it. Let's hope there's to be some objective voting on your AfD. What we can avoid, are all the MySpacey comments like those above - they will be discounted by a closing administrator anyway. My participation may have been a casting vote either way based on the evidence vs Wikipedia policies, but having commented here, I won't be getting involved, or be the admin to close it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced text removed

I've removed the following unsourced text. If it is later found to be notable and sourced it can be added later with citations.

• He recently announced on his website that he would be hosting a cable TV show, named the Kip Kay Show. He is currently working with MAKE Magazine's weekend project video podcasts. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 14:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Laser safety controversy

Might be nothing, but there's quite a bit of discussion among the laser communities about Kipkay's dangerous "hacks", as many of them are extremely dangerous, and don't mention safety in a noticeable fashion, or not at all. This might be a good new section here? I'm just mentioning it, as many well-known people have criticized his dangerous creations, many of which are outright lies or mention little, if any, laser safety. 50.40.230.231 (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Please cite references for the following claims

• "there's quite a bit of discussion among the laser communities"
• "many of them are extremely dangerous"
• "many of them [...] don't mention safety in a noticeable fashion, or not at all"
• "many well-known people have criticized his dangerous creations"
• "many of which are outright lies"
• "many of which [...] mention little, if any, laser safety"

Thank you. 67.41.243.121 (talk) 02:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Article Deletion

This page is more susceptible to vandalism from Kip Kay's falling YouTube fame by people who have begun to 'hate' on him. It's pointless to keep this article, it's just a stub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbabb7 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Kipkay dead?

It seems this article is being edited alot lately regarding the death of Kipkay claiming he died May 30, 2012 in Florida, it is being corrected quiet fast but I think we should look into this a bit deeper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.120.195 (talk) 23:25, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

His most recent video was posted to YouTube on July 11, 2014. He appears to be very much alive. — Quicksilver^{T @} 22:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Notable?

This page reads like a promotional piece. I like his videos, but I don't think he's notable enough to be included on here.

--172.219.65.107 (talk) 09:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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