Talk:John Tyler

Vetos

Is there any objection to adding more information on the number of Tyler vetos? Possibly compared to other Presidents?

I added information on Tyler vetos in a note. Included veto information on Jackson and Van Buren. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Independent president?

Should Tyler be labeled an independent President? The Democratic-Republican Party had no platform. Its only purpose seemed to save Tyer's presidential reputation and annex Texas in the 1844 election. Plus Tyler apparently retired from candidacy so Polk could win. The Democratic-Republican party is called the "Tyler Party". Do any sources call Tyler an independent President? Cmguy777 (talk) 05:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I added the Tyler Party link to the article. Tyler was not even on the ballot in the 1844 presidential election. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

There's something of an explanation of Tyler's actions in the Polk article. Wehwalt (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I read the information on Tyler in the Polk article. Was the Tyler Party an independent party? There was no platform or Vice President. Was it even a political party at all? Cmguy777 (talk) 20:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Tyler's wealth

Here is the link to Tyler's wealth: Presidents Day trivia: Who were the 10 richest US presidents? The source Christian Science Monitor says $51 million. The contributor is Chelsea Sheasley (February 20, 2012). I would say this is a reliable source. I am assuming Sheasly was referring to the present value of money in 2012. Is this enough to be a reliable source? I thought that it was. I would say the Christian Science Monitor is a reliable source. Cmguy777 (talk) 06:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Here is the Wikipedia article that says Tyler was worth $68 million in 2022: List of presidents of the United States by net worth. I think this is a significant amount to be added to the article. 06:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

The source is The Net Worth of the American Presidents: Washington to Trump This article was last updated on March 20, 2020 by Michael B. Sauter and Grant Suneson. The source is 24/7 Wall St. In 2020 Tyler was worth $57.7 million. Cmguy777 (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps if it were integrated into the text. As one of them mentions that Tyler became indebted during the war and died poor might be a hook to hang that on. Something along the line of "Although Tyler's wealth at its peak exceeded $50 million in 2020 dollars, he became indebted during the war and died much poorer". Wehwalt (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes. The article says "peak net worth", but does not say the year, presumably before the Civil War. It also does not say how many slaves Tyler owned. I suppose they were included in his wealth. A slave was worth about $1,000 in Virginia around 1849. Maybe more at the beginning of the Civil War. Yes. By all means, your edit sounds good and can be integrated into the article's family slavery section. Cmguy777 (talk) 20:53, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Information added to article. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Working hard

The Post Presidency section stages that Tyler, “did not take farming lightly and worked hard to maintain large yields.” Tyler was a slave owner. To spotlight his work ethic without mentioning those who were doing the real hard work resulting in large yields seems to be quite a glaring omission. Billtaverner (talk) 23:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Good point. It might be wise to review the source and see what can be added on that. Wehwalt (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Tyler owned 70 slaves. More can be said on his slave ownership. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

If there's a word, use it.

If there's a word for a particular definition, then use it. As to whether a word is used frequently or less frequently, that shouldn't matter. Besides, it is common for Wikipedia to use lesser-known words. Rattatast (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)