Talk:America's Next Top Model/Archive 1

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Article needs protection

With Cycle 9 premiering in September, many users have been posting false information for it. These include contestant names, winners, number of contestants, and the international destination. They all insist they are truth yet provide no actual evidence to support it aside from "i swear its true." There is one anonymous user in particular who has been persistently posting the same list of names every time it is removed. It has happened in cycles past but this time around it is more severe and much more of a nuisance. To avoid this vandalism I feel that it is in the best interest of the article that it be placed under protection from non-members or newly-registered members.

--Special:Contributions/Dementor654 22:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Please protect this article; it has already been edited with the supposedly winner of the competition on the chart.

Air time

is America's next top model going to stop airing after the tenth cycle? icevirgo99

It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest.

Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Anyone see the latest one where they went to Tokyo? Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha. Exploding Boy 18:26, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Name links

I think it's time to remove linked names that don't have articles for the first four seasons. Does anyone object? I think it's highly unlikely that these articles will ever be written (which is fine since most are non-notable anyway). Thoughts? --Quasipalm 18:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them. I could be delusional, but hey. Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Top model records?

I have to question "records" such as "Amanda (Cycle 3 - Partially/Night Blind)" and "Most "First Called Out For Safety"" and "First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show" and "First Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At" and "First Contestant Whose Close Relations Died While Filming" ... and what's up with "Unique Parentage"?

Overall, I think this new section just takes things too far. Plus, I think too many records are geared toward race/ethnicity and firsts and not enough are about achievement. Am I alone on this? --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

It is a bit amusing, though. Except it has some errors in it, I'll fix a few. I don't understand "First Called Out For Safety"? Alixandra 04:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and that "First European-Originated Contestant," wasn't that Brita, not Jayla? I don't even remember Jayla mentioning being "European-originated." I'm not 100% positive, so I won't touch it. Alixandra 04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Cycle 5 winner Nicole Linkletter

Tyra Banks announced during the finale party that Linkletter has been chosen by photographer Gilles Bensimon to be shot in Paris for an entire year to do the couture collection photo shoots. Said Tyra, "People don't understand what that is, but in the fashion world, to shoot couture for Elle magazine, with Gilles Bensimon, is huge!". This accomplishment undoubtedly makes Linkletter the most successful woman to emerge from "America's Next Top Model".

While that's a great opportunity for Nicole, I think making the claim that she's the most successful model to emerge from ANTM is a bit premature as she has yet to prove herself. For now we should just wait and see, and perhaps if this prediction comes true, then we can edit the page to say so. Fabricationary 01:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

This article needs serious clean up

It's tedious to read, the formatting is terrible and the language is questionable. I would contribute, but I know very little about ANTM. May I make some suggestions? The season subheadings should be organized so that the contestant winner is clearly displayed, the date of original airing and the channel the season was syndicated on. There are too many lists at the bottom of the article, and perhaps should be combined in the season subheadings. In the end, this article should only have 5 subsections: Season 1, season 2, season 3, season 4 and season 5, with all the other information divided into their proper sections. Perhaps at the bottom, some trivia can be added? Or in a seperate article. Good luck Vanessa kelly 23:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed this too, and I've tried to make some changes to this article lately. I overhauled the recaps for Cycles 1, 4, and 5 and hopefully improved them sufficiently. I would do Cycles 2 and 3 as well, though I'm not familiar with those as I am with the others.

Perhaps the names of the contestants from each cycle could be moved underneath the synopsis for each cycle? Does anyone fancy this idea?

As far as the trivia, I think it's gotten a bit out-of-hand. Fabricationary 00:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

It still needs some serious cleaning up. There is far too much opinion and the facts presented seem random - anecdotes about the odd contestant here and there. For example, Tyra shouting at Tiffany - Tyra gave as her reason the fact that she knew of Tiffany's obstacles and was angry at her wasting the opportunity. Yet on a recent body language programme, it was suggested Tyra's anger, and in particular the way she dealt with it, reflected more the fact that Tiffany by laughing was detracting from Tyra's show and not showing the deference that Tyra always insists upon. THe increasing amount of time we see Tyra chatting with the other girls over each series reflects this: it is Tyra's show, it's all about her and she will have nothing detract from that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.144.132.66 (talk • contribs) .

So she blows up at her on camera and makes herself look bad to, what, reinstill respect? Besides, I think we might actually be seeing less of Tyra over time (on the show itself), not more of her. - dcljr (talk) 23:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the current contents of the page are sufficient. We don't need to include post-show anaylsis, events that happen after the cycle has aired, possible theories behind eliminations/Tyra's motives, and other subjective comments. I think we've done a good job in just presenting the facts without delving into opinions or other questionable content. I'd say we're definitely done. Fabricationary 15:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Do minor ANTM contestants deserve their own Wikipedia pages?

I think it is reasonable for the winners, runners-up, and especially notable contestants from each season of Top Model to have their own Wikipedia pages, as these contestants usually have some sort of modeling career following the show. However, I don't think it is especially relevant for other contestants - especially those that have no other claim to fame - to have their own page. Is anyone with me? The specific contestants I am talking about are:

Nicole Panattoni (the last I heard of her, she was modeling for adult Halloween costumes...)
Giselle Samson (is not modeling anymore)
Tiffany Richardson (is not modeling anymore)
Rebecca Epley (models, but is not notable)

Also, I don't think it's reasonable for any contestants from Cycle 5 to get their own pages except for Nik (the runner-up) and Nicole (the winner), unless they do something very notable. Fabricationary 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that the models all should have a page because they are all contributors. Giselle was an amazing model in my view and her photos are flawless. Tiffany Richardson and Giselle are both still modeling. Changster785 7:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point, but if anyone is planning to create more pages for contestants, I hope you have more information to contribute than just "____ was on cycle _ of America's Next Top Model. She was eliminated ___th." (Similarly, it would be pointless to only outline what that contestant did on the show since it's probably already on the America's Next Top Model page under that cycle). If that model/contestant has done notable things (in modeling, acting, or otherwise) since the show and apart from the show, I could see how a page might be useful. Fabricationary 18:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to do the Giselle Samson page but I'm really bad at html or whatever, so i was just wondering if any of ya'll could teach/tell me some pointers..thanks:) Changster785 8:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. <g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something [[creates a link to]] another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up complete?

This article is reading a lot better than it was a few weeks ago. Can it be removed from the list now? The synopses for all five cycles have been revamped, and all of the clutter has been removed or reformatted. Fabricationary 06:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Records section is baaack

I've reformatted the "records" section and removed the following entries added by ZephyrWind:

First White Winner: Adrianne Curry (Cycle 1)
First White Runner-Up: Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1)
First African American Winner: Eva Pigford (Cycle 3)
First African American Runner-Up: Mercedes Yvette Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2)
Furthest Advancing White-White Pair: Adrianne Curry & Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1) [Naima Mora & Kahlen Rondot Of Cycle 4 Is Not Considered As The Former Is Of Mixed Parentage]
Furthest Advancing African American Pair: Eva Pigford & Yaya Camara Da Costa Johnson (Cycle 3)
Furthest Advancing Asian Orient Contestant: April Wilkner, 4th Place (Cycle 2)
First Handicapped/Disabled Contestant: Amanda Swafford, suffering from partially/night-blindness (Cycle 3)
First Plus-size Model: Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
Contestant Most Picked For Accompaniment In A Reward: Brittany Brower, 4 Times (Cycle 4)
First Publicly Announced Lesbian: Ebony Haith (Cycle 1)
First Publicly Announced Bisexual: Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)
First [And Only] Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At: Tiffany Richardson (Cycle 4)
First Contestant To Pass Out During Judging: Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4)
First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show: Michelle Deighton, She Contracted Impetigo (Cycle 4)
First Person Whose Close Relations Died During Filming: Kahlen Rondot, Her Best Friend From High School Passed Away (Cycle 4)
First Contestants Who Refused Taking A Photo Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart & Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
First Contestants To Arrive Late For A Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart, Robin Manning & Kesse Wallace (Cycle 1)
Most Frequently Appeared First Names [Mind Spelling]: Nicole Panattoni (Cycle 1), Nicole Borud (Cycle 3) & Nicole Linkletter (Cycle 5)

The race stuff is problematic because I don't think most contestants actually "self-identified" their race during the show. If anything, we might just mention a few of the most relevant "racial" facts (the "white-white pair" entry is going way too far) in a paragraph of the main article. Much of the other stuff might be better listed in a "trivia" section, if at all. I also removed the winners and runners-up because you can glean that information from the contestant list in each cycle. - dcljr (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

hello and apologies

oh er hello everyone. I suppose maybe you've read the "records" section already and from the talk that have sufficed from this, I see that my action of possible ignorance lumping alot of "facts" together could've been seen quite negatively.

For my ignorance I apologise sincerely, and I have to say that after some rectification it does look alot neater and readable.

BTW I didn't post the "original" version including all the parentages thingie. I just found the section quite funny so I decided to re-include it?...

bye bye!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZephyrWind (talk • contribs) .

Removed rumors

Rumors are by definition non-encyclopedic. Removed the following from the article. - dcljr (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Rumored contestant names (by posters @ FansofRealityTV)

Eliza
Erin
Leslie Cruz
Nellie
Verona
Yurika Asami
Tara
Shawonda
Amika
Lucy

This section is now back in the article, although not labeled as "rumored" and containing completely different names. Is it now confirmaed information? - dcljr (talk) 00:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the information is now confirmed. The show's official site, http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model6/ , has the names and photos of these models posted. Fabricationary 05:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Removal of surnames

I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Contestants' Last Names

I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler Warnings

Season descriptions should probably have spoiler warnings before any important information like the final contestants, who won, what the winner did later, etc. Season descriptions could be split in two, with non-spoiler info. (who the contestants are, air dates, etc.) in the first half. - Matthew238 07:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Listing by elimination order two weeks into the season = bad idea

Countless anonymous users have kept editing the page and listing the two eliminated contestants on top under the heading "Contestants in order of elimination" while leaving the vast majority of contestants (who have not been eliminated) on the same list as if they have also been eliminated in that specific order. It is misleading and invites vandals/speculators to change the order of the existing girls to make their own assumptions as to who will be eliminated next/who will win. (Case in point: countless changes to the list shifting the names of Jayla, Nicole, Nik, and Bre last season leading up to the finale)

Therefore, for now, it is logical to list contestants by first name alphabetical order with a note by the names of the already-eliminated girls. Until about half of the girls have been eliminated, this is the most concise and clear way of noting this; after that, two separate lists can be made - "Contestants in order of elimination" and "Contestants still in the running to be America's Next Top Model" or some variation of those two.

I'll keep reverting the page back to this version until enough contestants have been cut to merit a separate list of eliminated contestants.

Fabricationary 04:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Article Length

When I started to do a minor edit on this article, a note popped up about its length possibly being larger than preferable. It does take a while to load, in retrospect, and other long-running series covered on Wikipedia (Alias, Survivor, etc.) have successfully been organized into main articles and separate articles for each season. It might make for easier navigation of this information to apply the same organization to America's Next Top Model. Any thoughts? — ArkansasTraveler 15:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. I have all the episodes available, so I would be happy to help with summaries. It would take time, but I think it would be much better to have articles for each cycle. Peanutbuttercups 02:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It's just a start, but I have a draft page set up of what Cycle 1 's article would look like. It's available on my reorganization project secondary page. — ArkansasTraveler 16:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I really like it, and I am in favor of your format. I hope other users weigh in with their thoughts! Peanutbuttercups 22:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like a good idea; we're starting to summarize every episode and elimination here, and that's not good. With each season separated, we could discuss characters and eliminations better on their own article. Elcda0 23:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I can see this working out well, and I like the look of the sample pages already created. I've written much of the current summaries, so if time needs to be saved, they can be split up among individual episodes as most of them are sequential. This would also be a good time to create an "America's Next Top Model" category, comprised of pages for each cycle and pages of former ANTM contestants. However, a down side to this idea is inviting the expansion of material that may or may not deserve a place on Wikipedia, such as pages on non-notable ANTM contestants that only consist of "___ was on cycle 5 of ANTM and finished 6th" or a re-hash of their UPN biography. Also, what would happen to the trivia section? I myself have never been a fan of it (due to its often-subjective nature), but creating separate pages for the articles might invite someone to create a separate page for trivia, which would be pure clutter, in my opinion. Perhaps if this splitting plan is implemented, the current "America's Next Top Model" page could be reserved for explaining the show's format/judges and delving a bit into trivia, though not too much. Fabricationary 05:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The main ANTM page that Fabricationary just described is exactly what I had in mind — general information, including a trivia overview that compares/contrasts all seasons in one source. A separate trivia page isn't really necessary, because the general information itself (minus the season-specific content) is ample but not so much that it couldn't still share space with trivia.

As for the creation of unnecessary contestant articles, some would argue that a few such articles have already been created. Certain past contestants who failed to make the finals, like Toccara Jones (regardless of the current state of her article), may still merit articles, but it's often because of an impression created that extends far beyond participation in the competition. And if it's nothing more than a rehash of the UPN website writeup, it sounds like a candidate for speedy deletion or copyright violation.

It seems to me that among the American competitive reality series covered here at Wikipedia, ANTM is the one that is currently most unwieldy for the amount of its content. Compare with Survivor and The Apprentice. — ArkansasTraveler 13:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll do a rough move of each cycle to its own page within the next few days, unless someone else does it first, or unless I see some opposition to the move discussed here. We can get it started and then do some cleanup from there. If anyone objects please say so. - Matthew238 07:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to start using ArkansasTraveler's format for the new pages, starting with Cycle 6. If anyone else doesn't like it... change it? LOL. Elcda0 18:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Protecting this & cycle 6's page

About this time last cycle, dozens of anonymous users started editing the contestant list insterting their own winners/eliminees into the bunch. Not only was this irritating vandalism, but it misled people that came to this page looking for ANTM info, and it also hurt this article's credibility. I propose that if this vandalism starts again, we protect both this page and cycle 6's page to avoid this problem and the effort we'd have to make in reverting all of the speculative edits. Who's with me? Fabricationary 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Good idea! I'm with you. Peanutbuttercups 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Redirect talk from individual cycles to here?

Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages. Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Format of each cycle's page?

I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots. What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages? (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are. Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Show format

It might be good to add a section explaining the show's format (challenge, photoshoot etc.), as is done with other reality shows (Biggest Loser, Survivor) - Matthew238 07:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC) America's Next Top Model Season Cycle8 Winner,Jaslene

Trivia section tumbling into complete subjectivity

Recently some anonymous and new registered users have been adding points to the trivia section that have compromised its value. Things like "First photoshoot to feature animals" is just silly (and can be found by looking at the individual cycle pages' synopses), and stuff like "Worst photo in the history of ANTM" is subjective, as not everyone will agree wholeheartedly, for example, that Lluvy's fish picture is worse than every other picture in the history of ANTM. (I personally think the worst is Brittany's "porn star" dogwalking one.) Please refrain from re-adding this deleted material - I will continue to do so. Fabricationary 15:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, well, Lluvy's picture was called the worst in the history of ANTM by Tyra herself, on the show. But I'm not disagreeing with the main point you're making. - dcljr (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

C1 Tessa

What happened to her article? It appears to be deleted... --n_revo 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

AGENICES

We should make a section of which agencies they've signed with. Lil Flip246 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This is really important. We should consider this. Lil Flip246 02:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

TOP MODELS

We should write a section on how none of the winners or contestants become real top models. How they dont do anything but show up at appearances. Lil Flip246 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Cycle 7 International Destination

I was wondering, is there any way to protect the Cycle 7 article until anything is actually confirmed? Lately there have been several changes to the international destination. Although people have actually seen Tyra&Co and the girls after/during a photoshoot in one of them and have even stayed at the same hotel as them, it (and all the other destinations people keep writing in the article) are still merely rumors.

TWO pages?

Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist? Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page? The talk page does that arleady... SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model. Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

After the show

How about a section on the success some of the contestants have had after the show, in modeling and other areas. - Matthew238 05:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Practically every contestant who has appeared on the show has her own Wikipedia page that details her success, if any, outside of the show. Fabricationary 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Some have gone on to be models (most have not), others are notable in other areas - we could mention those.

Mention of strike removed

Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership. The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday. However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed. I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why? The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section. This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Statistics or trivia?

The Show statistics section is getting way too long again. At least 20% of it should probably be removed. I started to do that but gave up and just cleaned up the wikitext a bit instead. If someone agrees with me they should try to trim it down. - dcljr (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree - I think much of the article is trivia/fluff. The judge's names can be stated in a paragraph - tables are not needed for each season. Contestants' makeovers, while of interest to some, are not the sole focus of the show and generally don't impact where a contestant will end up placing. The photoshoot information is covered in each season's article. The "Success after the show" section, in my opinion, doesn't belong here but rather on each "successful" contestant's page. Here it is too subjective with no criteria given as to what constitutes "sucessful" (i.e. lots of former contestants are signed, but not with notable agencies). I would like to cut the article down significantly, but I'd like to discuss these changes first. Are you with me, Dcljr? Fabricationary 17:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you both. Truth be told, I started getting a little dizzy just looking at the section. And I agree about the "Success" section. CarlosTheDwarf 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Contestant(s) who dealt with a disease on the show

Mercedes Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2) lupus, Amanda Swafford (Cycle 3) retinitis pigmentosa, Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4) balance disorder, Noelle Staggers (Cycle 4) endometriosis.

What's about Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)? Wasn't her skin's trouble a somekind of disease?

Yeah, Michelle's skin problem was impetigo, which seems to belong in that category. Funny, I don't recall any mention of Noelle having endometriosis on C4. Unless it came out in an interview after the show, I think it might be someone's idea of a sarcastic joke given how much she talked about her baby. Fabricationary 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

Can you please help me add more to this section?? About how none of the contestants would make it big in the fashion world.. How most of the contestants don't have the qualifications of a fashion model.. Lil Flip246 22:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Just some comments -

- How the show often isn't an accurate portrayal of the "real modeling world" (for sources, you could cite exit interviews/statments given by former contestants - I think Elyse has said this before)
- The general opinion (not sure how this could be properly cited) that contestants are picked because they will bring drama to the show/the shows are edited to escalate/magnify trivial situations in the house to mega-dramas (i.e. C1's religious battle, C3's "browniegate," C5's "granolagate," etc.) Fabricationary 22:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't have time right now. But thanks for the comments. Lil Flip246 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you found any articles criticising ANTM?? I know alot of people in the fashion industry don't respect the show. At TFS, alot of people are in the fashion biz, and they think the show is a joke. Lil Flip246 22:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

From searching the Sirlinksalot page:

Leslie discusses with AfterEllen.com why her bisexuality wasn't brought up during C6 link
Adrianne Curry bashes Top Model (what else is new?) here
Kim talks about how the situation between her and Sara was exaggerated here
Diane talks about the difficulty of plus-sized models having longevity on ANTM here
USA Today calls Top Model "probably the only reality show that tries to make its contestants look better on TV than they do in real life" here
Another article about Tyra vs. Adrianne here
Emedia gives Top Model's version of the modelling world a mixed review here
MSNBC interviews Tyra, discusses some drama on the show here
NYDaily News criticizes Top Model for too much drama here

Hope that helps :). Fabricationary 00:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!! Can you please write about the last two on the article cause I have to go. Lil Flip246 02:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Length

Since it states that the article is too long, can't it be edited? Specifically, can't each season's respective stats/info boxes stay on their respective pages, and just simply be linked to from here? If it's just for summary purposes, it's still way too long, and it's cleaner that way.... SKS2K6 06:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Inaccurate information on strike

The article said the dispute was resolved then cited an article from early July, which clearly did not state the dispute had been disolved. In fact, the strike continues whih is a serious problem for the production of the show. Syndicalista 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cycle summary

I created a cycle summary which replaced listed info, and transferred info specific to each season to its dedicated page.

The column of "Other contestants (in order of elimination)" in the summary has been left deliberately without links. In order to avoid accidental recreation of deleted candidates, and to ensure that there are no double-redirects, it is suggested that these names are not made into namespaces Ohconfucius 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Show statistics

The statistics section overflows unnecessarily because age statistics are based on years only. I have determined the age of the oldest and youngest winner. However, there is no outright winner for the oldest and youngest contestant, but this is probably due to the lack of dob available on contestants. 18 is a very common age group for participants, so this long list for youngest contestants is pretty meaningless unless we can determine exact age, measured at the start of the relevant series. Ohconfucius 07:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Location

I think it's hilarious that someone changed the location that the remaining contestants are going to Pluto, but I feel that it should say something more formal, like "To be announced."THE evil fluffyface 00:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

writer strike

Insert non-formatted text here they were fired http://broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6389164.html

jaeda's height is wrong

--24.80.232.128 11:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Sara is still the tallest.

"So first off, I have some general questions. How tall are you?

I'm about 5'10" and a half. "

http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59153

I would edit it in but I dont know how.

At the "Statistics" part I was surprised to see this sentence: Most ugly and fake contestant in the history of America's Next Top Model: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) And throughout the whole article I couldn't find a single fact supporting that.

Addition of stats: Judges' opinions of the Best & Worst Photoshoots & TV commercials in ANTM History.

Hello, juz thought of contributing these 4 lines in - I have been faithfully watching the series all the way from Cycle 1 to currently Cycle 7, my statements which i have added to the show stats regarding about best/worst photo and best/worst TV commercial in ANTM history, is indeed proven true... Recaps episodes can be verified at www.youtube.com.

Best Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Sara Albert (Cycle 6), for 'Swarovski Crystals - Bald Look' Photoshoot Week 1.
Worst Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 6), for 'Zodiac Signs Calendar' Photoshoot Week 3.
Best TV Commericial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.
Worst TV Commercial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: CariDee English (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.

My Backings/References for adding these:

Best photo: Sara Albert (Cycle 6) was confirmed by Tyra herself claiming it is the best photo she has seen so far in history of Top Model.

Worst Photo: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 4) was confirmed by the judges, Nigel and Nole, of being the worst photo in ANTM history.

Best TV Commercial: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by the 4 judges. They felt that Melrose has delivered the best TV commercial, even though it was a foreign language, cos they felt Melrose is a natural and can deliver her lines smoothly.

Worst TV Commercial: CariDee English (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by Tyra, Nigel & Twiggy. Though she is billed as the judges' favorites - they felt her win in the acting challenge has caused her to compromise her standards in delivering the commercial, which she often flubs her lines and as claimed by Nigel, acted like a drunkard and over the top kissing... the judges felt it is the worst TV commercial in ANTM history and felt it was time to give CariDee a wakeup call by placing her in bottom two.

I really hope these statements will verify my stand, and i hope there shouldnt be any eradication of the stats, thank you.

It's not that these aren't verifiable. it's just that, in my opinion, many of these stats are getting too trivial. It may be nice for a fansite, but for an encyclopedia entry.... By the way, I'm not necessarily commenting on your stat additions. I"m just commenting on the whole list in general. SKS2K6 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"Cycle"

Do we know why the seasons are referred to as "cycles?" This differentiates the series from other American shows, so I think it's important to cover. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that is simply because the show at 13 or so episodes, is shorter than serials of say 22 or so episodes. Furthermore, the cycles occur more frequently than once a year. Ohconfucius 04:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe something to do with modeling? Most reality shows are on more than once a year, and don't run more than 13-14 episodes, unless they're live (Big Brother, American Idol, etc.). MadMagFreak 21:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

TWO pages?

Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist? Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page? The talk page does that arleady... SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model. Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Format of each cycle's page?

I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots. What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages? (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are. Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk from individual cycles

Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages. Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Strike

Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership. The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday. However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed. I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why? The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section. This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)my name is noor razimah and fuck i really love the episode where the both shandy and the winner of the cycle 2 been photograph naked..

The article said the dispute was resolved then cited an article from early July, which clearly did not state the dispute had been disolved. In fact, the strike continues whih is a serious problem for the production of the show. Syndicalista 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Insert non-formatted text here they were fired —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.80.232.128 (talk • contribs).

ANTM contestants' own Wikipedia pages?

It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.71.223.141 (talk • contribs).

Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think it's time to remove linked names that don't have articles for the first four seasons. Does anyone object? I think it's highly unlikely that these articles will ever be written (which is fine since most are non-notable anyway). Thoughts? --Quasipalm 18:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them. I could be delusional, but hey. Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Nicole Linkletter : Tyra Banks announced during the finale party that Linkletter has been chosen by photographer Gilles Bensimon to be shot in Paris for an entire year to do the couture collection photo shoots. Said Tyra, "People don't understand what that is, but in the fashion world, to shoot couture for Elle magazine, with Gilles Bensimon, is huge!". This accomplishment undoubtedly makes Linkletter the most successful woman to emerge from "America's Next Top Model".

While that's a great opportunity for Nicole, I think making the claim that she's the most successful model to emerge from ANTM is a bit premature as she has yet to prove herself. For now we should just wait and see, and perhaps if this prediction comes true, then we can edit the page to say so. Fabricationary 01:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it is reasonable for the winners, runners-up, and especially notable contestants from each season of Top Model to have their own Wikipedia pages, as these contestants usually have some sort of modeling career following the show. However, I don't think it is especially relevant for other contestants - especially those that have no other claim to fame - to have their own page. Is anyone with me? The specific contestants I am talking about are:

Nicole Panattoni (the last I heard of her, she was modeling for adult Halloween costumes...)
Giselle Samson (is not modeling anymore)
Tiffany Richardson (is not modeling anymore)
Rebecca Epley (models, but is not notable)

Also, I don't think it's reasonable for any contestants from Cycle 5 to get their own pages except for Nik (the runner-up) and Nicole (the winner), unless they do something very notable. Fabricationary 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that the models all should have a page because they are all contributors. Giselle was an amazing model in my view and her photos are flawless. Tiffany Richardson and Giselle are both still modeling. Changster785 7:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point, but if anyone is planning to create more pages for contestants, I hope you have more information to contribute than just "____ was on cycle _ of America's Next Top Model. She was eliminated ___th." (Similarly, it would be pointless to only outline what that contestant did on the show since it's probably already on the America's Next Top Model page under that cycle). If that model/contestant has done notable things (in modeling, acting, or otherwise) since the show and apart from the show, I could see how a page might be useful. Fabricationary 18:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to do the Giselle Samson page but I'm really bad at html or whatever, so i was just wondering if any of ya'll could teach/tell me some pointers..thanks:) Changster785 8:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. <g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something [[creates a link to]] another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Why was the Jayla entry deleted? Is it because it had just two sentences of info? I could re-write it with more information especially the controversies (and subsequent quelling of said controversies) regarding the granola bar and the tylenol which I believe is relevant. Pandaemonaeon 14:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted at AfD as non-notable contestant, and subsequently as a repost, and (I think) as an uncontested prod. Ohconfucius 06:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

What happened to [C! Tessa's] article? It appears to be deleted... --n_revo 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Melrose Bickerstaff

It has become standard that the winner and runner up receive articles, so why doesn't Melrose Bickerstaff have one? The argument was that her season recently ended, and she didn't have time to prove her signifigance. She has now walked in two shows for New York fashion week, appeared in a catalog, and is designing for Ishkada clothing. I think she has proved her notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acne Wash (talk • contribs)