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Time conversion[edit]

I did add a time conversion from 19:45 AEDT to 08:45 UTC, but it has since been removed. Not sure why. If the conversion was incorrect, then surely the answer is to amend the conversion so that it is correct. Mjroots (talk) 14:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected[edit]

I've semi-protected the article for a month. The claim that a written instruction was given needs to be referenced to a reliable source. ATSB expected to produce a preliminary report within the month, so we might get our answer there. In the meantime we'll stick with what is known for a fact and not include speculation or original research. Mjroots (talk) 05:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020[edit]

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Updated RTSB review has received the ARTC Train Controller to the Driver recordings. The recordings indicate that the driver received and verified the restricted track speed limits and safe working procedures (Train Order) in the area and the drivers final comments were "how fast did the last train take to get through", the train controller in Junee replied and the driver then stated "Its OK, I will beat that." The accident is purely one of driver error in failing to adhere to the Book of Rules regulating rail safey. Sleeve70 (talk) 22:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We depend on referencing reliable sources for our content. Do you have one for what you have written there? HiLo48 (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sleeve70: - Accepting in good faith that what you say is true, what you need to do is to demonstrate that. See WP:SAYWHERE for further info. A bare url here will suffice if it's a web source. Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested user input has not been recieved in over 1 week. I'm closing this request. {{SUBST:replyto|Can I Log In}}^{Copy and paste the code to reply}(Talk) 22:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request 27 March 2020[edit]

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"The driver and a co-driver, also known as a pilot" - A pilot is not a co-driver, better worded from the facts as just "The driver and pilot..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rechless (talk • contribs) 04:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See Token (railway signalling). Wimbledon32 (talk) 09:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is no longer protected so I have made this change now. Rearranged sentence and used the ABC News reference as it had the correct terminology. Also add reference for "pilot" as the term is not widely know in this context (i.e. a pilot here is not analogous to an airline pilot), thanks Wimbledon32.

Updated Page[edit]

I have updated the page to show the results of the preliminary report rather than half truths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleeve70 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sleeve70: In cleaning up the article yesterday I note that your edits on 8 April have mostly been reverted, as you again make assertions which are not cited in the ATSB report. Please consider WP:INTEGRITY and WP:SAYWHERE when making future edits to this article. --Heyitsstevo (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Accident?[edit]

The incident is described in a section titled Accident. It's pretty obvious now it was no accident. How about we change it to Incident? HiLo48 (talk) 08:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"It's pretty obvious now it was no accident" (unless this is asserted in reliable sources) falls on the side of editorialising. The accident header is common practice for rail incidents, including those where culpability was determined. Heyitsstevo (talk) 09:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Track Diagram[edit]

See V208]. Wimbledon32 (talk) 08:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing position of points[edit]

"One passenger said that he had seen a set of points set to divert the train from the straight ahead route." How far away from No. 7 points can anyone see its position?" Wimbledon32 (talk) 09:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]