Talk:Wilson Cleveland/Archive 1

Archive 1

Some proposed changes

Hi, Editors.

I wanted to propose removing the second sentence in the current opening sentence and replacing it per the below suggestion:

Current opening sentence: Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known for his roles as Derek Morrison in the web series Leap Year and the short film Kept Man.

Suggested changes with additional cited information italicized only for your reference:

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. Cleveland is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year , Suite 7 and The Temp Life.

If possible, I'd also like to update the Filmography section with additional credits and small corrections reflected in the suggested changes below.

Extended content

Film Year Title Role Notes 2014 Kept Man Jake Short film 2015 SPiN James Locke Short film Television Year Title Role No. of episodes 1992–1996 Bay State Jason Davenport 10 episodes 1995 Days of Our Lives Jason 2 episodes 1996 Another World Jason 2 episodes 1998 Twelve Angry Viewers Juror 1 episode 2006–2011 The Temp Life Nick Chiapetta 30 episodes 2011 Suite 7 Matt Brandon 3 episodes 2011–2012 Leap Year Derek Morrison 20 episodes 2013 BlackBoxTV Wilson 1 Episode 2015–2016 The Annoying Orange String Cheese, Honeydew, Broccoli 3 episodes 2016 Intricate Vengeance Dashiell Foley 1 Episode Web Year Title Role No. of episodes 2010 The Webventures of Justin and Alden Producer 5 episodes 2011 The Guild Gonathan 1 Episode 2011 Bestsellers Executive Producer 8 episodes 2011 Easy to Assemble Benny 4 episodes 2014 DNews Guest Host 1 Episode 2015 Courageous Leaders Creator and Executive Producer 6 episodes References

Comments: the sentence you want included in lead about what you are "currently" doing is problematic for multiple reasons. We don't include things here that have not yet been done - see WP:CRYSTAL; the source is two years old so not 'current'; and the source doesn't say anything about a web series so does not verify the content you want included. Also note that IMDb is not a reliable source here because it is WP:UGC. Thank you, Melcous (talk) 22:39, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

talk Understood. Thanks so much. Wilsoncleveland (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. Cleveland is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year [1], Suite 7 [2]  Not approved. ___________ and The Temp Life. ? Clarification needed. Thank you. Now referenced in in original post.Wilsoncleveland (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC) ___________ If possible, I'd also like to update the Filmography section with additional credits and small corrections reflected in the suggested changes below. ? Clarification needed. Thank you. Now referenced in bold in original post with references.Wilsoncleveland (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC) ___________ Credits may be verified here: IMDb.  Not approved. Understood. Thank you. Wilsoncleveland (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)Under ___________

2nd reply

   Further clarification needed.  

1. The Film table's default settings are different from the TV and Web tables' in that the former moves chronologically from bottom to top, while the latter 2 move chronologically in the opposite direction, from top to bottom (again, in the default settings). This odd mix of chronologically ascending and descending tables is also how the tables in the standing version of the article are configured in their default view settings.

Thank you. Clerical error. Edited in original post. Wilsoncleveland (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

1. The number of Suite 7 episodes increases from the standing version to the proposed version by 5, from 3 to 8.

As an actor, my character appears in 3 episodes of 8. I am also the series creator/executive producer of the 8-episode series. But to your point, I've included this as an acting credit, so the 3 episodes should remain. I've made that edit above as well. Wilsoncleveland (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

1. The Web Adventures likewise increases in number from 1 to 5. As of 2018, is this a current continuing series? (See No. #4 below)

The standing article credited my cameo appearance as an actor in 1 episode. However, I was a producer on this 5-episode series and I think that is a more relevant way of presenting the credit. The references I added specifically cite both my role as the series producer and the number of episodes (5). Wilsoncleveland (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

1. The date column specifies series which are no longer running placed in before and after dates (e.g., 2011–2013). But this is not universally applied in the tables. For example, it appears that by showing only one date, Days of Our Lives is continuing its run (which it is). However, the column for Another World has that show also continuing its run (which it isn't). As the shows in notes 2 and 3 don't specify end dates, that would make their increase in numbers understandable, if the shows were still running. Is it the case that those shows are still running? Please advise.

Sure. All of the dates in the date column refer to the dates I appeared on or otherwise worked on the show regardless of whether the series are still running. For example, I appeared on Days of Our Lives in 1995 but the show is still running. I appeared on Another World in 1996, but that show has ended. In the TV section, Bay State, Days of Our Lives and The Annoying Orange are still running. Does that help? Wilsoncleveland (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

3rd reply

Partially implemented.
It's usually at this point that editors start asking for the maintenance templates to be removed. If that's the direction you're going, those questions need to be put to the editor who initially assigned them.
Regards, .spintendo⋅⋅) 18:43, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Were my proposed edits to the first sentence acceptable as well? Wilsoncleveland (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed changes

Hi, Editors.

I wanted to propose the following revision of the current intro paragraph:

Current: Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known for his roles as Derek Morrison in the web series Leap Year and the short film Kept Man. I would also like to add more content sections to the article in order to better meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies so I can get that warning removed. I propose adding the headings, sub-headings, copy and citations below to the article (the Filmography section was previously approved by an editor and is fine as is). Happy to provide additional sources or clarification as needed. Looking forward to your feedback!

Proposed changes

Proposed intro paragraph revision with citations: Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011) and The Temp Life (2006-2011). He has also written and acted in the short films Kept Man (2014), SPiN (2015) and Intricate Vengeance (2016), which he produced for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. Career Early career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut and attended Darien High School where he acted in various school productions with classmates Chloe Sevigny and Topher Grace. He attended Boston University and graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film from Boston University College of Communication. As a Freshman, Cleveland was cast on Butv10's weekly television soap opera, Bay State, which led to small roles in Days of Our Lives and The Devil's Own. The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006 while working at a public relations firm in New York, Cleveland was inspired by then one year-old YouTube and the potential of online video to "make little TV shows on the Internet for clients to tell their stories." He created and starred in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by for Spherion which debuted on YouTube on November 29, 2006, ran for five seasons and is considered to be among the first and longest-running branded web series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, a seven-episode anthology that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in for Lifetime. Reviews for the series were generally favorable and on May 21, 2012, International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences honored Cleveland and Doherty with Webby Awards for their performances in the episode, "Company." Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison was dating a man. Cleveland, who is openly gay and an advocate for LGBT representation in media, told NewMediaRockstars in a June 28, 2013 interview that he "wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character and not make him the gay guy." Leap Year has won multiple awards and distinctions including several Telly Awards, a Webby Awards for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted), a Streamy Award for Best Branded Series , Best Branded Entertainment at the Banff World Media Festival and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. USA Network acquired the Leap Year rights in 2013 Other work In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. In 2011, he co-executive produced the comedy series, Bestsellers created and written by Susan Miller and guest starred in season five of Felicia Day’s comedy web series, The Guild and season three of Illeana Douglas' IKEA sitcom Easy to Assemble. In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland wrote and starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. In 2015, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange and created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders. In 2016, Cleveland created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. References

Wilsoncleveland (talk) 05:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Initial reply

It would be preferable if you could make edit requests one at a time so that they can be carefully reviewed and implemented if appropriate. There are a number of problems with your suggestions -just for one example: "Famous birthdays" is not a reliable source (see WP:UGC - same goes for IMDb) and the inclusion of names of famous classmates is basically name-dropping and "puffery". Cheers, Melcous (talk) 06:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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Draft Suggestion No. #1

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011), and The Temp Life (2006-2011). He has also written and acted in the short films Kept Man (2014), SPiN (2015), and Intricate Vengeance (2016), which he produced for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. Career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut and attended Boston University where he graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film from Boston University College of Communication.(citation needed inline template) The Temp Life (2006-2011) He created and starred in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by for Spherion which debuted on YouTube on November 29, 2006, ran for five seasons (the date of five years was at that point when the reference had been written, but how long its run actually was needs to be specified) and is considered to be among the first and longest-running branded web series. (Determination of "first and longest running" is not the job of this article. Communicating what dates it begin and how long did it run for, are the only things needed to mention.) Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, a seven-episode anthology that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in for Lifetime. Reviews for the series were generally favorable. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison was dating a man. Cleveland, who is openly gay and an advocate for LGBT representation in media, told NewMediaRockstars in a June 28, 2013 interview that he "wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character and not make him the gay guy." (this is confusing, i.e., the actor, who is gay, states that he plays a gay character, but that he did not want to make the character gay. Please clarify.) Leap Year has won multiple (specify which ones, as in "Leap Year has won 2 awards" not "Leap Year has won multiple awards") awards and distinctions including several Telly Awards, a (state 'one' rather than 'a' ) Webby Awards for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted), a Streamy Award for Best Branded Series, and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other work In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator (if he is co-creator, why is this listed as other work) and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. In 2011, he co-executive produced the comedy series, Bestsellers created and written by Susan Miller. (If he did not create it or star in it, then it's not germane to the article) In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland wrote and starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. In 2015, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange and created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders. In 2016, Cleveland created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. References

 spintendo  19:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft revision

@Spintendo: Thank you so much!

• Done: Replaced items in strikeout font with suggestions that were made in red font
• Added and Resubmitted text (in bold) that was deleted because of non WP:RS with new citations for your review.
• Looking forward to your next round of feedback. I really appreciate your help!

Draft Revision No. #1

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011), and The Temp Life (2006-2011). He has also written and acted in the short films Kept Man (2014), SPiN (2015), and Intricate Vengeance (2016), which he produced for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. Career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut. He attended Darien High School where he acted in school productions including Into the Woods. He attended Boston University where he was a cast member of the school's weekly student-produced television soap opera, Bay Stateand graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film from Boston University College of Communication. The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life,a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on November 29, 2006 and ended on January 24, 2011 after 5 seasons. The Temp Life added an average of 85% more viewers with each season and had reached over 18 million upload views when Fast Company called it “a bona fide phenomenon” in its September 2010 issue.The Temp Life won the 2012 Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, a seven-episode anthology that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in for Lifetime. In his January 14, 2011 New York Times review, critic Mike Hale wrote Suite 7 was “worth checking out,” singling out the episode ‘’Good in Bed’’ as “the best so far.” Jim Edwards of CBS News called Shannen Doherty’s performance “jarringly emotional” and observed that the cast “seems to be having a ball and delivering performances of a far higher quality than they have often done on regular TV.” On May 21, 2012, Cleveland and Doherty won the Webby Award for Best Individual Performance for the episode, "Company." Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison was dating a man. Cleveland, who is openly gay and an advocate for authentic LGBT representation in media, told New Media Rockstars in a June 28, 2013 interview that he "wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" revealed "with little to no fanfare." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted), the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other work In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland wrote and starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. In 2015, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange and created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders. In 2016, Cleveland creatednd starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilsoncleveland (talk • contribs) 05:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Draft revision 16-JUN-2018

Below you will see two extended content sections. The first is a reply quote box where the bolded text from your draft revision has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath suggesting which added parts would be either approvable or not-approvable. Please see the enclosed notes for feedback. Following the reply quote box is the latest draft suggestion #2 which contains all approvable content up to this point.

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He attended Darien High School where he acted in school productions including Into the Woods.  This claim might be approvable. ___________ He attended Boston University where he was a cast member of the school's weekly student-produced television soap opera, Bay State  This claim cannot be verified. ___________ The Temp Life added an average of 85% more viewers with each season[13] and had reached over 18 million upload views when Fast Company called it “a bona fide phenomenon” in its September 2010 issue.  These claims are not approvable. ___________ On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, a seven-episode anthology that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in for Lifetime. In his January 14, 2011 New York Times review, critic Mike Hale wrote Suite 7 was "worth checking out," singling out the episode 'Good in Bed' as 'the best so far.' Jim Edwards of CBS News called Shannen Doherty’s performance 'jarringly emotional' and observed that the cast 'seems to be having a ball and delivering performances of a far higher quality than they have often done on regular TV.' On May 21, 2012, Cleveland and Doherty won the Webby Award for Best Individual Performance for the episode, "Company."  These claims are partly approvable. ___________ Cleveland, who is openly gay and an advocate for authentic LGBT representation in media, told New Media Rockstars in a June 28, 2013 interview that he "wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" revealed "with little to no fanfare." ? These claims need to be reworded. ___________

Draft Suggestion No. #2

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011–2012) and The Temp Life (2006–2011). Career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut. He graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film from Boston University College of Communication.(citation needed inline template) Note: This reference ought to originate from Boston University. The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. The Temp Life won the 2012 Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character is gay. Cleveland discussed in an interview with New Media Rockstars on 28 June 2013 that despite himself being openly gay, he wanted his character's sexuality to be revealed as a 'subtle layer ... with little to no fanfare.' In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted), the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, a seven-episode anthology that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in for Lifetime. In his January 14, 2011 New York Times review, critic Mike Hale wrote Suite 7 was “worth checking out,” singling out the episode 'Good in Bed' as "the best so far." On May 21, 2012, Cleveland and Doherty won the Webby Award for Best Individual Performance for the episode, "Company." Note: The NYT review for Suite 7 appears to be an independent review as required by WP:CREATIVE. The CBS Moneywatch reference is not a review in the classical sense written by a CBS entertainment reviewer, but rather, it is a piece written by one of their business section reporters. Creative also requires that the created media be "a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." In this respect it may be debatable whether these works constitute "well-known". With regards to the stricken text, the purposes of this content as promotional material for mattress manufacturers needs to be explicitly made. Other work In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident(citation needed inline template) and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards.(citation needed inline template) In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland wrote and starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. In 2015, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange(citation needed inline template) and created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders. In 2016, Cleveland created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. The breadth of the content listed under the Other work section would not meet the requirements of WP:CREATIVE. Thus, adding it to the article would be based on content requirements WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:RS, which this section requires more of (sources). Also, this section needs to specify when the subject is being mentioned for their appearance as an actor OR content creator. This section currently mixes the two instances together. References

 spintendo  09:43, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Draft suggestion #2 16-JUN-2018

@Spintendo: Thanks very much again. In reviewing Draft suggestion #2, we seem to have lost some approvable content from Draft suggestion #1 that was unchanged in the Draft revision.

• On verifying my education: Boston University doesn't provide open access links to Proof of Enrollment records. I have a PDF of my Proof of Enrollment document from BU's partner National Student Clearinghouse that I could host on my own URL if you think that would work. Otherwise, the Proof of Enrollment document is on my LinkedIn under Education (cited in revised draft below) and I speak about attending BU in this Indiewire interview
• I've reworded the New Media Rockstars claim per Note 5 regarding Cleveland's sexuality.
• I don't have a specific source verifying my 3 guest appearances in The Annoying Orange aside from the listing on Amazon Video which is not UGC. Would that suffice?

Below is a proposed third draft combining approvable content from both drafts and all of your feedback to date.

Draft Revision No. #2

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011), and The Temp Life (2006-2011). He has also written and acted in the short films Kept Man (2014), SPiN (2015), and Intricate Vengeance (2016), which he produced for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. Career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut. He attended Darien High School where he acted in school productions including Into the Woods.He attended Boston University and graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film. The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. The Temp Life won the 2012 Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7, an anthology series that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in. The series, presented by the Better Sleep Council, debuted on December 17, 2010 on MyLifetime.com and Lifetime’s Hulu, YouTube, iTunes and Xbox channels. In his January 14, 2011 New York Times review, critic Mike Hale wrote Suite 7 was “worth checking out,” singling out the episode 'Good in Bed' as "the best so far." On May 21, 2012, Cleveland and Doherty won the Webby Award for Best Individual Performance for the episode, "Company." Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was subtly revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted), the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other Work Actor In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN.Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Manand won the same award again for SPiN in 2016. Between November 2015 and March 2016, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange. Producer In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. In 2015, he created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders. In 2016, Cleveland created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. References

Wilsoncleveland (talk) 01:25, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Draft revision #2 16-JUN-2018

Thank you for your suggested revisions. My inserted feedback is given in draft suggestion No. #3, shown below.

Draft Suggestion No. #3

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011), and The Temp Life (2006-2011). He has also written and acted in the short films Kept Man (2014), SPiN (2015), and Intricate Vengeance (2016), which he produced for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. Only the non-stricken text will be included here. The additional mentions of the subject's work and their digital studio here in the lead is merely padding the section (See WP:NOTPROMO). Additionally, information placed in the lead which is also placed in the main body of text should not contain reference notes in the lead, because they will already be placed elsewhere with that information in the main body of text (See MOS:LEADCITE). Thus, the references here should be removed. Career Wilson Cleveland grew up in Darien, Connecticut. He attended Darien High School where he acted in school productions including Into the Woods. He attended Boston University and graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Film.(citation needed) As I've indicated earlier, assertions regarding high school are not commonly included. Using LinkedIN as the reference cannot be done, as LinkedIN is not a WP:RS. If the claim regarding the undergraduate degree cannot be referenced elsewhere, it cannot be posted here (See WP:NOTLINKEDIN). The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. The Temp Life won the 2012 Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. The claim regarding Temp Life does not need two references, per WP:TOOMANYREFS. If the citations reference different aspects of the information, then they need to be placed immediately after that information appears in the text (See WP:INTEGRITY). "Sponsored by Spherion" needs to be clarified. Suite 7 (2010-2011) On November 28, 2010 it was announced in The Hollywood Reporter that Milo Ventimiglia and Shannen Doherty had joined the cast of Suite 7,(Cast additions are not germane to the article) an anthology series that Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in.(Given reference does not verify) The series, presented by the Better Sleep Council, debuted on December 17, 2010 on MyLifetime.com and Lifetime’s Hulu, YouTube, iTunes and Xbox channels.(Information on the series release is already indicated in the Suite 7 article) In his January 14, 2011 New York Times review, critic Mike Hale wrote Suite 7 was “worth checking out,” singling out the episode 'Good in Bed' as "the best so far."(Reviews of this series which do not specifically mention or review the subject's performance or role in its production are no longer germane to the article) On May 21, 2012, Cleveland and Doherty won the Webby Award for Best Individual Performance for the episode, "Company."(Given reference does not verify) The Hollywood Reporter source claims that the subject's involvement in this series was though a "writing or directing role", which according to the source, were roles shared with several other people. The Hollywood Reporter cannot be used to reference information which it does not specify (i.e., "creator" and "executive producer"). This section needs to be reworded to specify what the subject's actual roles were along with citations which verify each role. As noted above, if the subject is tangentially responsible for aspects of the production, then reviews of it which do not specifically mention or review the subject's own performance or specific role within it are no longer germane to the article. Additionally, the Webby reference specifies CJP Digital Media as having won this award, not the subject himself. Irregardless of the subject's role within that company, the text in the article should state CJP Digital Media as having won the award, since that is the entity which the reference states the award was given to. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was subtly revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted),(citation needed) the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series(citation needed) and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series.(citation needed) These awards claims need to be individually referenced using the websites of whichever entity governs their allocation. Other Work Actor In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Manand won the same award again for SPiN in 2016.(Given reference does not verify) Between November 2015 and March 2016, Cleveland appeared in three episodes of The Annoying Orange.(citation needed) Only the non-stricken text will be accepted here. The claim of the subject as having "won the same award again" is not verified by the source, which lists "UNboxd" as the winner. Producer In 2010, Cleveland was a co-creator and producer on The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards.(citation needed) In 2015, he created/executive produced the documentary series Courageous Leaders.(Given reference does not verify) In 2016, Cleveland created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form Digital. Only the non-stricken text will be accepted here. Adage.com is not a WP:RS and the WSJ source does not verify the claim statement made here. If other sources are found and the information is to be included, then "Sponsored by Trident" needs to be clarified. References

 spintendo  10:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Draft suggestion #3 17-JUN-2018

@Spintendo: Thank you. May I ask why Advertising Age, GigaOm and Tubefilter are considered WP:RS? I'll have a new draft for you shortly. Wilsoncleveland (talk) 16:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. With respect to Tubefilter, this is considered a trade publication, a source with little journalistic background that naturally merits increased scrutiny due to its ties to the industry it reports upon. Exceptions to this increased scrutiny are made for publications with longer histories of reliability in their particular industry, in this case, those in the entertainment industry such as Variety and Hollywood Reporter. With those publications, the amount of time they have existed is taken into consideration because that increased time has allowed for greater examples of unchallenged reporting. An exception to this exception would be Adage, a trade publication that despite its relatively long life continues to merit scrutiny of individual authors to ensure fact checking, a process which — owing to changes in the publication's format priorities — can differ depending on the story and the story's author. GigaOM's financial difficulties, including its issues over branding and its purchase by Knowingly 3 years ago, have all rendered that publication and its reporters as ones that merit extra caution with regards to the information they report upon. (See WP:RSVETTING.)  spintendo  18:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Draft revision #3 17-JUN-2018

@Spintendo: Thank you. This Gigaom article verifies:

• Wilson Cleveland is the producer of The Webventures of Justin & Alden
• The Webventures of Justin & Alden was produced in partnership with the 2010 Streamy Awards

This article was written in 2010 five years before the company's investors sold the company-due to cash flow concerns. The piece was written by Liz Shannon Miller, the current TV editor at IndieWire and former Web editor at Variety. Any chance you'd reconsider allowing it to be used as references? If not, Draft revision #3 below reflects all of your feedback from Draft suggestion #3. Hopefully we're close to a final. Thanks for your help!

References

Draft Revision No. #3

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010-2011) and The Temp Life (2006-2011). Career The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. In 2012, The Temp Life won the Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted),the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other Work In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and SPiN. Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Man. and SPiN was named the winner in same category in 2016. Also in 2016, he created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilsoncleveland (talk • contribs) 00:06, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to draft suggestion #4 18-JUN-2018

@Spintendo: Thank you!

• Including the 2 Liz Shannon Miller articles allowed me to add back the Suite 7 section (reference #5) and mention of Webventures of Justin and Alden in the Other Work: Producer section (reference #20) in Draft Revision #4 below.

• I found a Digiday piece verifying Cleveland as creator of Suite 7 (reference #4). If Digiday is problematic from a WP:RS standpoint, the article was written by Mike Shields, current Advertising Editor at Business Insider and former Senior Editor at The Wall Street Journal

• Regarding reference #6 identifying Cleveland as the writer of the Suite 7 episode, "Captive Audience" - I know YouTube videos are not typically WP:RS but I wasn't certain if that applied to videos uploaded by verified YouTube channels belonging to broadcast television networks.

• I found an Adweek piece identifying Cleveland as the founder of Unboxd Media (reference #21), which allowed me to add back the Wall Street Journal piece identifying Unboxd as a producer of Courageous Leaders (reference #22). There is a Tubefilter article identifying Cleveland as executive producer of Courageous Leaders but as you've stated, Tubefilter isn't WP:RS

Are we getting closer to a final? Thanks so much again for your help and guidance!

Draft Revision No. #4

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star of Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010–2011) and The Temp Life (2006–2011). Career The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. In 2012, The Temp Life won the Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in Suite 7, a seven-episode branded web series sponsored by the Better Sleep Council and distributed by Lifetime. He also wrote the episode, "Captive Audience," which was directed by Shannen Doherty and starred Brian Austin Green. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted),the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other Work Actor In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and Spin. Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Man and SPiN was named Best Drama by the Webbys the following year. Also in 2016, he created and starred in Intricate Vengeance Producer In 2010, Cleveland produced The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode comedy web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. Cleveland is the founder of Unboxd Media, the digital studio that produced Courageous Leaders in 2015. References

Wilsoncleveland (talk) 23:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to draft revision #3 18-JUN-2018

Draft suggestion No. #4. Remind me where those references were to be placed again, the Liz Miller ref and the other 3? Please advise.

@Spintendo: Included in Draft revision #4 added yesterday. Thank you! Wilsoncleveland (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft Suggestion No. #4

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and star(Specify separately) of the web television series Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010–2011) and The Temp Life (2006–2011). The claim regarding Leap Year is already referenced in the main body of text, under the Leap Year subheading, so we don't need to keep the refs here (See MOS:CITELEAD). The sentence states "He is known as the creator, producer and star of..." and then lists 3 different series. The problem with that is those terms identify very distinct roles, and in these series the subject carries mildly different labels with each instance: In one, he was writer and co-director; in another, he was creator and producer; in another he was an actor along with creator. Each mention should be WP:CLEARLY stated with the subject's role in each film separately listed (i.e., He was creator of this film. He was actor in this film. He was writer in this series. etc) Suite 7 is removed here because you removed it from the main body of text. Career The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. In 2012, The Temp Life won the Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted),the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. The reference for the Webby Awards specifies UNBoxed as the winner. The relationship between the subject of the article and the winner of the award may want to be elaborated upon, or not. Other Work In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama. Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and Spin. Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Man. and SPiN was named the winner in same category(Same category as what?) in 2016. Also in 2016, he created and starred in the revenge drama Intricate Vengeance for New Form, the digital studio co-founded by Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Discovery, Inc. You've removed the Suite 7 section which you didn't have to do — it only would have been omitted if the labels used for the subject's roles conflicted with how the sources described them (which they did, and I suggested changing). But since you removed them and the section I'll assume the question is moot. The appurtenant details for Intricate Vengeance are discover-able through its WikiLink. References

 spintendo  11:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to draft revision No. #4 19-JUN-2018

Draft suggestion is below, on the right. Below on the left, you can see the delay in deciphering the different labels used by just three of the sources. The terms directed by, executive produced by, and written by are all terms that imply different roles. The term created by on the other hand is unique in that its usage is malleable, used at different times for one or all of the other three terms. In searching the references provided for Suite 7, its variegated use delayed verification:

Source reference	Suite 7
	Creator of Suite 7 ?	Other terms used
Hollywood Reporter	No	co-Director co-Writer
GigaOM	No	Actor Writer Executive producer co-Director
Digiday	Yes	Producer Actor

Draft Suggestion No. #5

Wilson Cleveland (born July 4, 1974) is an American actor, producer and writer. He is known as the creator, producer and co-star of Leap Year (2011-2012), Suite 7 (2010–2011)(only five episodes vs. the other two series which spanned longer amounts of time) and The Temp Life (2006–2011). Career The Temp Life (2006-2011) In 2006, Cleveland created and starred as Nick Chiapetta in The Temp Life, a comedy web series sponsored by Spherion(If this company has no WikiLink, it can be omitted) which debuted on YouTube on 29 November 2006 and ended 24 January 2011 after 5 seasons. In 2012, The Temp Life won the Webby Award for Best Comedy Series. Suite 7 (2010-2011) Cleveland created, executive produced and starred in Suite 7, a seven-episode branded web series sponsored by the Better Sleep Council and distributed by Lifetime. He also wrote the episode, "Captive Audience," which was directed by Shannen Doherty and starred Brian Austin Green.(We're not doing Youtube links here.) Leap Year (2011-2012) Cleveland is the co-creator/executive producer and co-star of Leap Year, a comedy-drama series about five former co-workers starting a tech company in Silicon Valley, that aired for two seasons on Hulu from 2011 to 2012. It was revealed during the second season that Cleveland's character, Derek Morrison is gay. Cleveland, himself openly gay, explained in a June 28, 2013 New Media Rockstars interview, "I wanted Derek’s sexuality to be a subtle layer to the character" and "not make it some big plot twist or its own storyline." In 2013, Leap Year won the Webby Award for Best Branded Entertainment (Scripted),the Streamy Award for Best Branded Series and the IAWTV Award for Best Dramatic Series. Other Work Actor In 2014, Cleveland starred in the season five premiere of BlackBoxTV. for which he received a Streamy Award nomination for Best Actor in a Drama.(Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades) Also in 2014, Cleveland starred opposite Hartley Sawyer in the short films Kept Man and Spin. Cleveland and Sawyer shared a 2015 Webby Award for Best Drama for Kept Man and SPiN was named Best Drama by the Webbys the following year. Also in 2016, he created and starred in Intricate Vengeance Producer In 2010, Cleveland produced The Webventures of Justin and Alden, a five-episode comedy web series sponsored by Trident and produced in association with the 2010 Streamy Awards. Cleveland is the founder of Unboxd Media. the digital studio that produced Courageous Leaders in 2015.(WP:BALASP) References

In any event, I think the proposal as it stands now is better than its predecessors. If there is nothing further I will implement suggestion #5 in place of the existing text.  spintendo  21:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply to draft suggestion #5 20-JUN-2018

@Spintendo: You are amazing. Yes, please implement suggestion #5. Thank you! Wilsoncleveland (talk) 18:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Changes implemented 20-JUN-2018

 Article changes implemented. A substantive re-write of the article has finished and the discussed changes were implemented. Please note the following:

1. The status of at least one of the existing maintenance templates will be discussed and possibly addressed within the next few days. Until then, the templates stand as is.
2. Just a reminder, only edits to remove obvious vandalism or correct spelling/typographic errors should be made to the main article from the COI editor's account.

Thank you!

Regards,  spintendo  22:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)