Talk:West Jerusalem

Is there justification for this article?

I understand, obviously, that the political situation around Jerusalem is complicated, but in practical terms - is there really any justification for having this article? It is unreferenced by itself. Of course, references could be found, but everything that it says is repeated in the main article about Jerusalem. The articles in Czech and Hebrew say more or less the same thing as this article in English. The term "West Jerusalem" is used sometimes, but much less than "East Jerusalem". So is this article really needed? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

We could also cover everything on the East Jerusalem on Jerusalem. West Jerusalem is worthy of it's own article. This article needs alot of work, but it's a start. In the meantime readers can use the link to the Jerusalem article to find out more about W. Jerusalem Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 11:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

That's the point - I don't see any way to continue this start. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

This article is justified by the fact that West Jerusalem is in Israel and East Jerusalem is in the occupied territories.

Pluto2012 (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

That is not a justification for this article by itself. The controversy about the occupation East Jerusalem exists, of course, but you can write about it in the articles Jerusalem, East Jerusalem, Positions on Jerusalem, etc. But there's just nothing of significance to write in this article. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

West Jerusalem is worth an article as a major conurbation in its own right with its own particular (Jewish-derived) culture and separate social/commercial hubs from East Jerusalem. It also has a history as a community going back to the late 1800s as it evolved out of the original "Jewish Colony" in Jerusalem. Romomusicfan (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Ideas for expansion

Comment hived off from "Is There Justification" section

Jewish West Jerusalem deserves an article as a conurbation and community in its own right, detailing its evolution out of the "Jewish Colony" at the time of the New Yishuv into the sprawling, overwhelmingly Jewish metropolis that exists today. If anything, this article could do with a lot of expansion. 2.24.71.58 (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, yes (see above) Romomusicfan (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

List of Ideas

In light of the above comment, I will jot down here some ideas for further content which can be summarised from other articles:

• history of development of Jewish neighbourhoods outside the Old City walls:

• construction of Yemin Moshe and Mea Shearim
• the "Jewish Colony" in Jerusalem 1920s-1940s
• post-1948 expansion to cover other areas such as the German colony and expansion of the conurbation out into the countryside

• Main commercial/social hubs of West Jerusalem:

• Downtown Triangle (Jerusalem)
• Mamilla Mall
• Emek Refaim

I will add more ideas to this list as I have them, and invite other wiki editors to contribute suggestions. 2.24.71.58 (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, this is me five and a half years later and logged into my account. I've incorporated the above into some starter sections in the article in the hope that others can expand on them.Romomusicfan (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I next propose to add a starter section on leisure facilities, to include Teddy Stadium and Cinema City, once I can get access to a desktop (am on holiday right now).Romomusicfan (talk) 18:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2017

In the "Division in 1949" section, it states that East Jerusalem was populated mainly by Muslims and Christians. This should mention that all of East Jerusalem's Jews were expelled (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Jerusalem#Jordanian_rule). ZackTheCardshark (talk) 21:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —MRD2014 ( T / C ) 17:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Ha! That's new since a couple of months ago. I didn't notice when I passed the minimum edit count. Thanks! ZackTheCardshark (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done ZackTheCardshark (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

"A number of western countries such as the United Kingdom acknowledge de facto Israeli authority, but withhold de jure recognition"

Which other ones? A list is in order. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 12:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Need to add Moshe Leon

List of "Mayors of West Jerusalem" (even though there is no such office) should be updated with the incumbent Mayor of Jerusalem, Moshe Leon, who was inaugurated to office on 04/12/18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drosehill (talk • contribs) 08:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Stylistic edits

(1) Under *History/War of 1948 - Eliminate the duplicate word "war". (2) Under *History/Division of 1949 - Move the sentence "The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine made of Jerusalem and its area an international city.[8]"

 to the introduction, making the first sentence:
"West Jerusalem or Western Jerusalem refers to the section of Jerusalem that remained under Israeli control after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, whose ceasefire lines delimited the boundary with the rest of the city, which was then under Jordanian control,[1] despite the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine which would have made Jerusalem and its area an international city.[8]"

(3) Regarding *Mayors of West Jerusalem - Eliminate "of West Jerusalem" -Add Moshe Leon as requested above. This list is much better that the verbiage in the Wiki entry "Jerusalem". KKMI1740 (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Why is Arabic placed first before Hebrew?

It is clear that Jews form the majority of West Jerusalem and that West Jerusalem is pre 1967s borders therefore the Hebrew transition should be placed before the Arabic transition. As the pre 1967 borders are recognised to be with in Israel. Otherwise the Wikipedia page may have a degree of bias. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done - Have left edit summary note telling anyone who wishes to revert it to come on to this thread to explain their reasons. Romomusicfan (talk) 18:59, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

"State of Palestine"

It seems very political to mention, in the lead paragraph, "sovereign territory of either Israel or the State of Palestine". Israel is a recognized entity, and the "state of Palestine" is not widely recognized, and violates all agreements between the parties. In addition, if "state of Palestine" must stay (as opposed to "Palestinian authority, etc), then it should either also mention "State of Israel" and not just "Israel", or it should just say "Palestine". Helpfulguy101 (talk) 00:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Israel is a State with limited recognition as is State of Palestine (it's official name). So no, not political at all. Violates what agreements? Selfstudier (talk) 08:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

It violates all agreements signed between Israel and the PLO/PA.

Israel is a recognized country, with recognized territory, if not borders. "Palestine" is not a recognized country, with little if any recognized territory.

Also, it seems political to mention "state of Palestine" when it just says "Israel". Either it should be using full official names for both countries/entities, or just use the common name. The need to specifically mention that "Palestine" is a state seems to imply a bias against Israeli views and interests Helpfulguy101 (talk) 12:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

That's not remotely the reason; The reason is that Palestine is a disambiguation page. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in West Jerusalem

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of West Jerusalem's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "jta":

• From Mamilla Mall: "Hamas terrorists charged in planned attack on Jerusalem's Mamilla Mall". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. 1 September 2013. Retrieved 18 October 2014.
• From Kiryat Itri: "First Group of U.S. Jews Leaves for Israel to Settle in Orthodox Township". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. 27 August 1968. Retrieved 22 June 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)