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Tom hanks will be the second actor to portray Walt Disney in a feature film. In the movie RKO 281, Roger Allam played Mr. Disney in a few scenes.
70.94.19.109 (talk) 04:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It also would be helpful if you'd specify where in the article you'd like this information added. Rivertorch (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Cryonic head
I'm not sure if this qualifies as an "edit request", but the following needs to be clarified:
There is an orphan article (Walt Disney hibernation urban legend) that should either be linked from this article or integrated into it (and deleted?). Note, there currently is a section here that covers most of that article, and my recommendation would be to integrate/delete the orphan article. Also, most "urban legends" contend that only his head was frozen, and the remainder cremated, etc. -- Thank you for your attention on this matter, ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
First im wondering, if this is an reliable source. Second, if it is reliable/relevant information, could someone add the information to the controversy section considering im a ip and i cant do this on my own?
Straight Dope does not fit WP criteria as a reliable source, IMHO -- but the sources he cites do, and I will chase them down as time permits. If anything in those sources is worth adding to the article, I will certainly do so. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me!16:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
clarity
This:
By 1927, Charles Mintz had married Margaret Winkler and assumed control of her business. He then ordered a new, all-animated series to be put into production for distribution through Universal Pictures.
Should be this for clarity:
By 1927, Charles Mintz had married Margaret Winkler and assumed control of her business. He then ordered a new, all-animated series from Disney Brothers to be put into production for distribution through Universal Pictures.
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Under the picture of Walt at the very top where it shows the basic information is says his resting place is 'Forest Lawn Memorial Park, Glendale, California,' But then it says after U.S. Frozen in a tank. That last part is not true walt was cremated so that is not true.
Please remove this from the right side stats area.
This has always been a myth and urban legend - it's ridiculous that it's listed as fact along with his other information.
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Hello,
I would like to get permission to add few sentences to the page dedicated to Walt Disney as part of a paper that I am doing for one of my courses (Entrepreneurship Economics) at The University of Nebraska at Omaha.
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The part about Babbitt accusing Walt and Gunther Lessing (who was jewish) of attending German American Bund meetings sounds like complete bullshit. The citation links to Watt's biography, which never once mentions the German American Bund. So the citation is wrong, where did this info come from and come how it was linked to Steven Watts? We need this to be properly cited, and it can't be properly cited, it needs to be removed. Why would a Jewish man attend a Nazi sympathizers meeting?
I don't have access to that source to verify this information one way or the other. User:DoctorJoeE appears to be the one who was doing that research and added that information to this article. Hopefully he can shed a bit of light on this subject. --ElHef (Meep?) 01:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
As it happens, I have a copy of Steven Watts' book at hand, same ISBN as the one cited. There's nothing on pp. 144-145 about Babbitt or the German American Bund; none of the pages listed in the index under Babbitt mention the German American Bund, and "German American Bund" isn't listed in the index. Given how Babbitt and Disney felt about each other, it certainly sounds like something Babbitt might have said, but that still doesn't make it accurate. Trivialist (talk) 03:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Gabler mentions Babbitt's Bund accusation (p. 448), and I have restored the content with that citation. (It's mentioned in Watts book as well, but I don't know the exact page number -- that book is at home.) Gabler does question Babbitt's assertion, which is mentioned in the article as well, in a later paragraph. BTW, Gunther Lessing was not Jewish -- or at least I can find no documentation that he was. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me!18:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Final productions
The generally accepted claim that The Jungle Book (1967) was the last Disney animated film in which Walt Disney had active involvement is not true. An official Disney source* reveals that Walt Disney was in fact heavily involved and had influential participation in the development of The Rescuers, released 11 years after his death, during this film's story planning. It was Walt Disney who rejected the concept of a faithful adaptation of Margery Sharp's The Rescuers (1959) and suggested instead an animated story about the rescue of a young polar bear named Willie (a concept which inspired a number of unused songs). After his death, when the new writers felt that the story was not profound enough, Sharp's second novel Miss Bianca (1962) was selected as the primary source instead.
*The source is the booklet accompanying the 2012 release of The Lost Chords: The Rescuers, an official Disney release. T.W. (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Media/public reaction to Disney's death?
I'm curious about the public and media reaction to Disney's death. Was it a huge shock? Was he a living legend and icon by the time he died? If so I imagine the response would've resembled the death of Steve Jobs. Is there any information out there about this? Would be great to have it in the article. Crazy Eddy (talk) 12:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
It also says "he was a man of his times". More to the point though, there are much better sources on Disney than Facebook comments from a distant relative who would have been six years old when he died. And in case you hadn't noticed, there is a long section in the article entitled 'Accusations of antisemitism and racism'. Maybe this needs expanding, or a change of tone - but if it does, we won't use Facebook comments as a source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
New infobox image
I've replaced the old image with this file. It's a free file and it's a high quality image. The previous image was a crop of a NASA photograph, (which can be seen in the article) which had been flipped. Human faces aren't symmetrical, so it's not a brilliant image to use... in contrast, the new image is a posed portrait. I don't think there should be any objection to the change. -- HazhkTalk to me01:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
If you're looking for citation information, you can always click the "Cite this page" button in the lefthand toolbar within the "Tools" section. It leads to a page that includes everything you could need to cite this page (or any other) in MLA, APA, Chicago, and a whole slew of other styles. Hope this helps! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe!13:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Disneyland vs. Hollywood
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Please change Walt Disney's Legacy by adding his late 1990's and early 21st century successes.
In March 2005, Disneyland became the number one theme park destination and critical driver of tourism in Southern California.[1] Corporate Disney stated that "since 1955, the Resort has been a major contributor of tax revenues to communities in Orange County, which has helped fund a number of important city services for local residents." It was reported in "The New Hollywood" by Thomas Schatz that until the early 1950's, Hollywood created the most total revenue in Southern California and contributed into creating many new jobs for people in Los Angeles. [2] However, in the present, Disneyland is on par, if not better, with Hollywood's total revenue since the 1950's.[3]
Edit request: Conservation award
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To "Other honors" section (or alternatively, to the 1945-1955 section in which the True-Life Adventures films are mentioned), please add the following:
The National Audubon Society awarded Disney its highest honor, the Audubon Medal, in 1955 for promoting the "appreciation and understanding of nature" through his True-Life Adventures nature films.[4]
In 1878 Disney's father Elias had moved from Huron County, Ontario, Canada to the United States, at first seeking gold in California before finally settling down to farm with his parents near Ellis, Kansas,[8][9] until 1884. Elias married Flora Call on January 1, 1888, in Acron, Florida, just 40 miles north of where Walt Disney World would ultimately be developed.[10] The family moved to Chicago, Illinois in 1890,[11] hometown of Elias' brother Robert,[11] who helped Elias financially for most of Walt's early life.[11] In 1906, when Walt was four, Elias and his family moved to a farm in Marceline, Missouri,[12] where his brother Roy had recently purchased farmland.[12] In Marceline Disney developed his love for drawing[13] with one of the family's neighbors, a retired doctor named "Doc" Sherwood, paying him to draw pictures of Sherwood's horse, Rupert.[13] Elias was a subscriber to the Appeal to Reason newspaper and Walt copied the front-page cartoons of Ryan Walker.[9] His interest in trains also developed in Marceline, a town that owed its existence to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway which ran through it. Walt would put his ear to the tracks in anticipation of the coming train,[14] then try to spot his uncle, engineer Michael Martin, conducting the train.
File:Walt Disney in 1912.jpg10-year old Walt Disney (center right) at a gathering of Kansas City newsboys in 1912.
Walt attended the new Park School of Marceline in fall, 1909. He and his younger sister Ruth started school together. Before that he had no formal schooling.[15] The Disneys remained in Marceline for four years[16] before moving to Kansas City in 1911,[17] where Walt and his younger sister Ruth attended the Benton Grammar School at 3004 Benton Boulevard, close to his new home. Disney had completed the second grade at Marceline but had to repeat the grade at Kansas City.[18] At school he met Walter Pfeiffer, who came from a family of theatre aficionados and introduced Walt to the world of vaudeville and motion pictures. Before long, Walt was spending more time at the Pfeiffers' than at home,[19] as well as attending Saturday courses at the Kansas City Art Institute,[20]
On July 1, 1911, Elias purchased a newspaper delivery route for The Kansas City Star. It extended from the Twenty-seventh Street to the Thirty-first Street, and from Prospect Avenue to Indiana Avenue. Roy and Walt were put to work delivering the newspapers. The Disneys delivered the morning newspaper Kansas City Times to about 700 customers and the evening and Sunday Star to more than 600. The number of customers they had increased with time.[21] Walt woke up at 4:30 AM and worked delivering newspapers until the school bell rang. He resumed working the paper trail at 4:00 PM and continued to supper time. He found the work exhausting and often dozed in his desk. His grades suffered as a result. He continued working this schedule for more than six years.[21]
Teenage years
In 1917 Elias acquired shares in the O-Zell jelly factory in Chicago and moved his family back to the city.[22] In the fall Disney began his freshman year at McKinley High School and took night courses at the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts under the tutelage of artist and educator Louis Grell (1887–1960).[23] He became the cartoonist for the school newspaper, drawing patriotic topics on World War I. With a hope to join the army, Disney dropped out of high school at the age of sixteen, but was rejected for being underage.[24]
After his rejection by the army, Disney and a friend decided to join the Red Cross.[25] He was soon sent to France for a year, where he drove an ambulance, but only after the armistice was signed on November 11, 1918.[26]
Hoping to find work outside the Chicago O-Zell factory,[27] Walt moved back to Kansas City in 1919 to begin his artistic career.[28] He considered a career as an actor but decided he wanted to draw political caricatures or comic strips for a newspaper. When nobody wanted to hire him as either an artist or as an ambulance driver, his brother Roy, then working in a local bank, got Walt a temporary job through a bank colleague at the Pesmen-Rubin Art Studio,[28] where he created advertisements for newspapers, magazines, and movie theaters.[29] At Pesmen-Rubin he met cartoonist Ubbe Iwerks[30] and, when their time at the studio expired, they decided to start their own commercial company together.[31]
Disney's last written words "Kurt Russel"
It looks like his last written words were "Kirt Russel" and not "Kurt Russel". Also It seems like it were the last words he wrote in his office before he was diagnosed lung cancer, so there is a probability he wrote something else before he died.
I, for one, agree that it's FA quality. I might have suggested going for GA first -- but since the die is now cast, I'll be happy to do anything I can to fix whatever faults the reviewer uncovers. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me!20:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I believe it is closing to archiving as failed anyway. Maybe I should sum up the reviewers' advice and post them here. Someone suggests me to open a peer review after fixing the suggested problems, and then go for a GA. Then it will be nominated for FA again. What do you think?Forbidden User (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
The Disney's Folly section is under referenced. Claims like the fact that other industry insiders dubbed Snow White "Disney's Folly" need to be sourced.
The paragraph about the financial disappointment of Pinocchio and Fantasia and the animators strike needs to be referenced.
Now the only problem left is unsourced and unreliably sourced statements at Continuing Disney Productions under Legacy. Help is appreciated!Forbidden User (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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In the section "Childhood" the sentence "Disney had completed the second gradeb at Marveline but had to repeat the grade at Kansas City." has two typos. gradeb should be grade and Marveline should be Marceline.
Funkimonster (talk) 09:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
In January 1920, Disney and Iwerks formed a short-lived company called "Iwerks-Disney Commercial Artists". However, following a rough start, Disney left temporarily to earn money at the Kansas City Film Ad Company. He was soon joined by Iwerks, who was not able to run their business alone.[32] While working for the company, where he made commercials based on cutout animation, Disney became interested in animation and decided to become an animator.[33] The owner of the Ad Company, A.V. Cauger, allowed him to borrow a camera from work to experiment with at home. After reading the Edwin G. Lutz book Animated Cartoons: How They Are Made, Their Origin and Development, Disney considered cel animation to be much more promising than the cutout animation he was doing for Cauger. He eventually decided to open his own animation business and recruited a fellow co-worker at the Ad Company, Fred Harman, as his first employee.[34] Disney and Harman then start creating cartoons called Laugh-O-Grams. They screened their cartoons at a local theater owned by Frank Newman, who was one of the most popular "showman" in Kansas City.[35]
Laugh-O-Gram Studio
Presented as "Newman Laugh-O-Grams",[35] Disney's cartoons became widely popular in the Kansas City area.[36] Through their success, he was able to acquire his own studio, also called Laugh-O-Gram,[37] for which he hired a number of additional animators, including Fred Harman's brother Hugh Harman, Rudolf Ising, and his close friend Ubbe Iwerks.[38] It was opened on May 18, 1922.[39] Unfortunately, studio profits were insufficient to cover the high salaries paid to employees. Unable to successfully manage money,[40] Disney's studio became loaded with debt and wound up bankrupt,[40][41] whereupon he decided to set up a studio in the movie industry's capital city, Hollywood, California.[42]
Film and business career in Hollywood
Two months after their arrival in October, 1923,[43] Disney and his brother Roy pooled their money and set up a cartoon studio in Hollywood.[44]Virginia Davis, the live-action star of Alice's Wonderland, and her family relocated from Kansas City to Hollywood at Disney's request, as did Iwerks and his family. This was the beginning of the Disney Brothers' Studio, located on Hyperion Avenue in the Silver Lake district, where it remained until 1939. In 1925 Disney hired a young woman named Lillian Bounds to ink and paint celluloid. After a brief courtship, the pair married that same year, on July 25, 1925.[45]
Alice Comedies
Disney and Roy needed to find a distributor for Walt's new Alice Comedies, which he had started making while in Kansas City but never got to distribute.[41] Disney sent an unfinished print to New York distributor Margaret Winkler, who promptly wrote back to him that she was keen on a distribution deal for more live-action/animated shorts based upon Alice's Wonderland.[46]
The new series, Alice Comedies, proved reasonably successful.[43] It featured both Dawn O'Day and Margie Gay as Alice with Lois Hardwick also briefly assuming the role. By the time the series ended in 1927, its focus was more on the animated characters and in particular a cat named Julius, who resembled Felix the Cat, rather than the live-action Alice.
By 1927 Charles Mintz had married Margaret Winkler and assumed control of her business. He then ordered a new, all-animated series to be put into production for distribution through Universal Pictures. The new series, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, was an almost instant success. Its main character, Oswald—drawn and created by Iwerks—became a popular figure. The Disney studio expanded and Walt re-hired Harman, Rudolph Ising, Carman Maxwell, and Friz Freleng from Kansas City.
Disney went to New York in February 1928 to negotiate a higher fee per short. He was shocked when Mintz told him that not only did he want to reduce the fee he paid Disney per short but also that he had most of his main animators, including Harman, Ising, Maxwell, and Freleng—but not Iwerks, who refused to leave Disney—under contract and would start his own studio if Disney did not accept the reduced production budgets. Universal, not Disney, owned the Oswald trademark and could make the films without Walt. Disney declined Mintz's offer and as a result lost most of his animation staff, whereupon he found himself on his own again.[47]
It subsequently took his company 78 years to get back the rights to the Oswald character when in 2006 the Walt Disney Company reacquired the rights to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit from NBC Universal through a trade for longtime ABC sports commentator Al Michaels.[48]
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Ref #78,83,85 are unreliable sources. Please help substituting them with reliable ones or deleted the associated content. Thanks!Forbidden User (talk) 16:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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Under "Silly Symphonies", last sentence of paragraph 2, please change "He returned to Disney in 1940 and **GO** on to pioneer a number of film processes and specialized animation technologies in the studio's research and development department." to "He returned to Disney in 1940 and **WENT** on to pioneer a number of film processes and specialized animation technologies in the studio's research and development department."
73.43.61.185 (talk) 07:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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Under "CalArts", please change "It **IS** formed in 1961 through a merger of the Los Angeles Conservatory of Music and the Chouinard Art Institute." to "It **WAS** formed in 1961 through a merger of the Los Angeles Conservatory of Music and the Chouinard Art Institute."
73.43.61.185 (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Racism, "A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others." He may not have been racist, but he was debatably racially insensitive. They aren't the same thing. I think we should update the section to show this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.14.235.105 (talk) 18:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
It would be about Disney's personal relationships at work, among them the Nine Old Man and some other colleagues would occupy a majority in this section. Some people say that Disney is harsh to colleagues, while others disagree (with numerous book sources). The impact of the strike in 1941 will be included in more details. Actually these days I have been considering a broader section called Personal Relationships, which include his family relationships (I swear nothing too trivial will appear) and that at work. Thankfully someone is here for me to consult! Opinions appreciated!Forbidden User (talk) 13:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm rather settled on Personal relationships. I'm going to draft the section in my sandbox. If you have an idea, you can discuss here. If the idea gets an agreement then I will apply it. Participation appreciated!Forbidden User (talk) 11:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
This seems noteworthy as partly explaining the business success: the ability to look at different perspectives; "there were actually three different Walts: the dreamer, the realist and the spoiler. You never knew which one was coming into your meeting." Other sources 123TGCP (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2014
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Consider adding this page to the category "Urban legends".
Not done as you haven't explained why, nor cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Friz Freleng and Carman Maxwell
Reading the article, I see only single references to Friz Freleng and Carman Maxwell, mentioning them only as "Freleng" and "Maxwell". Recommend they be referred to by their full names, which were around here somewhere... 67.186.19.151 (talk) 01:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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Reading the article, I see only single references to Friz Freleng and Carman Maxwell, mentioning them only as "Freleng" and "Maxwell". Recommend they be referred to by their full names.
67.186.19.151 (talk) 09:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 18:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Religion misspelling edit request on 21 November 2015
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I did that by apparently edit warring and adding the net worth piece of information that is highly disruptive. I knew not to be disruptive by vandalizing the page, but I chose to do it nevertheless; therefore, I deserve a ban. Gamingforfun365(talk)20:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Why are you behaving like a petulant child, Gamingforfun? You're not exactly helping your cause here by posting moronic topic threads like this. CassiantoTalk20:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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"Please Change : Walt Disney was Born In Chicago,IL.to Irish Parents" To: Walt Disney Was Born In Chicago,IL.to French-Canadian Parents". Because It's True. (An Editor Embellished A False Fact, For Their Personal Preference.Someone's Ethnicity Or Origin Shouldn't Be Changed Or Embellished, Without knowing The Actual Facts of The Original Story. TruthSeeker1964 (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2017 (UTC) TruthSeeker1964 (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Following the 1927 sensation The Jazz Singer, Disney used synchronized sound on the third short, Steamboat Willie. Although Steamboat Willie is often erroneously cited as the first sound cartoon, animator Max Fleischer first utilized synchronized sound two years earlier in My Old Kentucky Home (film) (1926) as part of his Song Car-Tunes series with Red Seal Pictures.[1] However, Steamboat Willie was the first sound cartoon to feature a fully post-produced soundtrack, and its popularity far eclipsed earlier efforts to bring sound into animation. 96whalers (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
References
^Fleischer, Richard (2005). 'Out of the Inkwell: Max Fleischer and the Animation Revolution. University Press of Kentucky. p. 43. ISBN0-8131-2355-0.
Too wordy in its present form (this is a biography of the man, not a history of animation), but I have tweaked the wording to read "to create the first post-produced sound cartoon", which covers it sufficiently here. - SchroCat (talk) 14:16, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2017
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No, it's not incorrect. When he was born there it was 1249 Tripp Avenue. It has subsequently been renamed and renumbered to its current address of 2156 North Tripp Avenue, but that address did not exist when WD was born. – SchroCat (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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Please change "Aside from Disney, Elias and Call's sons were Herbert, Raymond and Roy; the couple had a fifth child, Ruth, in December 1903" to "Aside from Walt, Elias and Call's sons were Herbert, Raymond and Roy; the couple had a fifth child, Ruth, in December 1903" 3rd sentence is section Early life. REASON: ambiguity; everyone in the family was named Disney. Ianoptional (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Providing wikilinks for works/publishers in citations
Hi, I'm interested in what I call "Ref. maintenance" which basically means checking that cited sources are sound, with working links, correct titles, and all other parameters defined as appropriate. So that's my angle.
Apparently providing wikilinks for works/publishers in citations is just a matter of taste. I personally think the links are useful because if the reader is unsure about the originator of the source, they can easily follow the link and learn a little about the company behind the source, if they are interested. For that reason, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing the link where it's available, expecially for lesser known newspapers such as the Lewiston Morning Tribune or The Manchester Guardian (for example). In this second example, the link provides the reader with the opportunity to learn that The Manchester Guardian was a previous incarnation of The Guardian newspaper, which they might not otherwise have known or been able to find out easily without doing their own manual search (and we can't assume they even know how to do that!) The guidance on this just says "Name of publisher; may be wikilinked if relevant." which is rather ambiguous. My interpretation would be that, as it doesn't say "generally not wikilinked", it's preferable to provide the link whenever there's a related wiki article available.
So the long and the short of it is that I happen to think the links are useful, whereas other editors prefer to leave them out altogether. I've been advised that it's best to go along with the existing style in the article, which is fair enough of course, but this Walt Disney article is currently inconsistent. Some refs. contain links and some don't. So which do we prefer? Shall I add my links back in? Or shall I remove all the existing links from these refs... 4 (Encyclopædia Britannica), 150 (USA Today), 158 (New York Daily News), 163 (Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences), 164 (Hollywood Foreign Press Association), 167 (American Film Institute), 168 & 169 (Hollywood Walk of Fame), 170 (Academy of Television Arts & Sciences), 178 (The Blade), 180 & 184 & 188 (PBS).
I'm happy to remove these links (against my better judgement) but I'd prefer to add in the missing links for the other citations where relevant (as I attempted to do yesterday). This might be a small consideration in the grand scheme of things, but I also happen to think consistency is very important!
A lot of the citations for this article are pointing to the archived version when they don't need to. For example, Ref. 4. (before my most recent edit)... If you clicked on the title "Walt Disney", it attempted to take you to the WebCite archive (which is currently down anyway), but the original version of the article is still working, which you could only find by clicking on "the original" in the citation. Why are we using the archive when the original is fine? The archive should just be there as a backup if it's needed in the future. So the deadurl parameter should be set to "no" in the meantime. I've made the change for Ref.4 to show you what I mean, but I've not bothered to change any of the others as I strongly suspect my edit will be reverted and I so hate wasting my time. For the record, the same thing applies to refs. 6, 17, 21, 38, 52, 69, 70, 81, 118, 129, 132, 150, 152, 156, 157, 160, 162, 165, 170, 171, 172, 175, 184, 188, 194, 200.
It may have been a bot that added "yes", but it's of little importance. Webcitation works well enough for me, and the one you changed yesterday worked when I tried it on three different systems. - SchroCat (talk) 19:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Anti-fascist?
He worked with the US government to make anti-Nazi and anti-Axis propaganda films and was prominent to the "Good Neighbor Policy" and countering the spread of Nazism in Latin America. Is Category:American anti-fascists appropriate? LittleJerry (talk) 02:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Walt Disney TALK PAGE
Great work reporting on Disney. The credibility with the sources and info is exceptional, establishing trust for readers, and the outline after the introduction is chronological, making it easy to follow and understand the progression of Disney's life. However, it seems as though within the introduction, it jumps abruptly from theme parks and Disney's contribution, directly to his death all within one paragraph, ending frantically with his death stated. Mechanically, this could be edited to better represent info to readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batcapital2020 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Batcapital2020, thanks for your comments. The lead follows the same pathway as the rest of the article, and it was while Disney was building the parks and planning the next one that he died. The path of the lead follows that of Disney's life at this point. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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Remove " to create the first post-produced sound cartoon" from line "Following the 1927 sensation The Jazz Singer, Disney used synchronized sound on the third short, Steamboat Willie, to create the first post-produced sound cartoon." As this is not completely accurate.
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Fleischer, Richard (2011). Out of the Inkwell: Max Fleischer and the Animation Revolution. Lexington, Ky.: University Press of Kentucky. ISBN 9780813134642. 4.78.222.19 (talk) 19:36, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
We accurately represent the source used. Fleischer doesnot contradict what we have, if youread it agan and bear in mind the key words "post-produced". - SchroCat (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Starting a discussion here as Smith0124 is edit warring to push what I see as weasel wording into the article. The lead has gone from straightforward description of the source material to introduce the phrases "many saw Disney as" and "some saw him as". I recommend not putting this kind of language into the article. --Laser brain(talk)00:33, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Edit warring is implying that I’m reverting stuff, which is not true, I do not appreciate you attacking me personally. I’ve tried to adapt to your objections, all you do is revert. That’s not an edit war on my part. The current way it’s presented insists that it’s a general consensus that Disney is representative of American Imperialism, but the article just presents individual opinions on the matter. “Some” is a more accurate portrayal of what’s being said. It keeps it neutral, that’s the point. Smith0124 (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Smith0124, it is edit warring. If there is something obviously contentious and you keep changing it, that is exactly what it is. And you are not being attacked at all: Laser Brain is descring the manner of editing, not casting aspersions about you.
As to the salient point, while we use numerous sources to support the term in question, and they make it clear that it is a belief held by many; it is wrong to claim that these are "just" the opinions of individuals. In the lead we summarise this, with further information in the body for people who want to know more. We have guidelines about avoiding WP:WEASELWORDS, which is what you're trying to do with the rather convoluted language you're employing. - SchroCat (talk) 13:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
We've pointed you a few times to an essay about weasel words that you should read. I'm not sure how else to try to explain. At any rate, you do not have consensus for changing the wording in the lead so you should let it drop and find something else to do. --Laser brain(talk)16:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Parental Heritage Phrasing is Needlessly Confusing
"Walt Disney was born on December 5, 1901, at 1249 Tripp Avenue, in Chicago's Hermosa neighborhood.[a] He was the fourth son of Elias Disney—born in the Province of Canada, to Irish parents—and Flora (née Call), an American of German and English descent."
Since he only had two parents shouldn't it be "born to an Irish father and Flora (née Call), an American of German and English descent." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Condiala (talk • contribs) 00:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Footnote number 143 should be changed to: Mannheim, Steve, Walt Disney and the Quest for Community, Oxfordshire and New York, Routledge, 2017, 978-1-138-26968-2. This academic book analyzes the EPCOT concept and philosophy. 75.141.199.154 (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Both Barrier and Gabler cite Mannheim's book. It is the definitive academic book and Wikipedia readers interested in the subject would benefit from it. It is the most reliable source and not just a few lines in a biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.199.154 (talk) 03:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Was Walt Disney a grass: a spy for the Un-American Activities pogrom?
According to many sources, he was: "In October 1947, during the post-war Red Scare, American filmmaker Walt Disney testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). Disney provided HUAC with information about union activity at his studios, as well as specific individuals he believed to be communists" If so, shouldn't that get a mention here? :https://alphahistory.com/coldwar/walt-disney-testifies-huac-1947/Excalibur (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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At the end of chapter "early life" just after sentence ..-He drew cartoons on the side of his ambulance for decoration and had some of his work published in the army newspaper Stars and Stripes- I would add:
During this period he drew humoristically in a scrapbook handed out by The Chicago Public library for soldiers and sailors, what could be considered as the first two rodents in Disney's oeuvre.
Souce: Bonhams auction catalogue 2015 and Lambiek Comicopledia on the net; see also David Lesjak'book Walt disney in the service of the Red Cross Kibours (talk) 13:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
You're right, this needs to be replaced esp. when we are using American English here. Though I am not sure what a better term here might be. Gotitbro (talk) 01:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
This is a common mistake for many journalists and teachers. It is unnecessary to put a comma before "and" especially when you are writing down a list of items. The comma is only necessary to be used, for example, to avoid two items getting mixed up by the repetitive use of "and" or "or" in a sentence.
(Even the paragraph above contains a mistake, it is wrong to use "but" as the first word of a sentence, especially in formal writing.)
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...an American entrepreneur, animator, writer, voice actor, and film producer.
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...an American entrepreneur, animator, writer, voice actor and film producer
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The results, seen in features such as Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), Pinocchio, Fantasia (both 1940), Dumbo (1941), and Bambi (1942).
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The results, seen in features such as Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), Pinocchio, Fantasia (both 1940), Dumbo (1941) and Bambi (1942)
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He was also involved in planning the 1959 Moscow Fair, the 1960 Winter Olympics, and the 1964 New York World's Fair.
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He was also involved in planning the 1959 Moscow Fair, the 1960 Winter Olympics and the 1964 New York World's Fair.
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Disney also oversaw aspects of the full-length features Lady and the Tramp (the first animated film in CinemaScope) in 1955, Sleeping Beauty (the first animated film in Technirama 70 mm film) in 1959, One Hundred and One Dalmatians (the first animated feature film to use Xerox cels) in 1961, and The Sword in the Stone in 1963.
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Disney also oversaw aspects of the full-length features Lady and the Tramp (the first animated film in CinemaScope) in 1955, Sleeping Beauty (the first animated film in Technirama 70 mm film) in 1959, One Hundred and One Dalmatians (the first animated feature film to use Xerox cels) in 1961 and The Sword in the Stone in 1963
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In 1998, the American Film Institute published a list of the 100 greatest American films, according to industry experts; the list included Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (at number 49), and Fantasia (at 58).
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In 1998, the American Film Institute published a list of the 100 greatest American films, according to industry experts; the list included Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (at number 49) and Fantasia (at 58).
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Earlier evaluations of Disney hailed him as a patriot, folk artist, and popularizer of culture.
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Earlier evaluations of Disney hailed him as a patriot, folk artist and popularizer of culture.
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...with the values, expectations, and goods of a prosperous middle-class United States.
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...with the values, expectations and goods of a prosperous middle-class United States.
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...it has "labored throughout its history to link its name with notions of fun, family, and fantasy".
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...it has "labored throughout its history to link its name with notions of fun, family and fantasy".
Adding Disney to the Category: American anti-fascists is a bit much. Sure, Disney supported the war effort during WWII as did almost everyone in the US but before the war he personally gave Nazi director Leni Riefenstahl a tour of Disney studios! No sources are included in the aricle, nor any unsourced text, that documents him as an anti-fascist, particularly in the 1930s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:7DF:D700:D1DF:A599:179B:D2BF (talk) 15:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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This does not include any of the Disney characters such as Minnie, Pete, Goofy, and Daisy. The only character mentioned is Mickey Mouse. So if someone could change it, then that would be great.
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At one point the article reads "his namesake studio and company maintain high standards in their production of popular entertainment". Whether Disney maintains "high standards" is quite clearly an issue of opinion, so this should either be removed from the article or reworded so as not to state an issue of opinion as objective fact. DylPickle666 (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
This page, particularly towards the beginning, lacks the expository writing style necessary to encyclopedic information. There is too much sentiment here for a properly encyclopedic entry; a quasi-“persuasive” aura emanates from the words. Many assertions made within this article are also not supported via external citations, particularly in the heading after the first paragraph:
•“Disney was a shy, self-deprecating and insecure man in private but adopted a warm and outgoing public persona.”
•“He had high standards and high expectations of those with whom he worked.” (Although I do believe this is commonly agreed-upon, a citation may still be in order.)
•“Although there have been accusations that he was racist or anti-Semitic”—from whom?—“they have been contradicted by many who knew him.” (If this is true, then it should moreover be expanded into an entire section of the article, perhaps entitled “Controversy Regarding Anti-Semitism” vel sim., rather than being mentioned once in the head and never again throughout the rest of the article.)
•“His reputation changed in the years after his death, from a purveyor of homely patriotic values to a representative of American imperialism.” How so? (Perhaps this remark could be expanded into a section entitled “Patriotism and Imperialism” vel sim.)
•“[H]is namesake studio and company maintain high standards in their production of popular entertainment[.]” Which standards? OzzyMuffin238 (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Biased Personal Opinions must be removed!
The sentence : "Although there have been accusations that he was racist or anti-Semitic, they have been contradicted by many who knew him. " is unfounded and a blatant lie. Who says? It is a unsupported opinion of a biased author. There is no supporting references and this line must be removed as spiteful and biased. This type of unfounded, unreferenced, unsupported slander is totally unprofessional and a violation of Wiki's standards. 2600:1700:7890:5A40:10A4:7290:FEB7:9CC7 (talk) 21:57, 16 January 2022 (UTC)2600:1700:7890:5A40:10A4:7290:FEB7:9CC7 (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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Where is the proof Walt Disney was an American imperialist? Any facts?
Read the entire article, not just the lead, which is a summary. Here is just one example: Mark Langer, in the American Dictionary of National Biography, writes that "Earlier evaluations of Disney hailed him as a patriot, folk artist, and popularizer of culture. More recently, Disney has been regarded as a paradigm of American imperialism and intolerance, as well as a debaser of culture."Cullen328 (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Walt Disney animatronic
Make a Walt Disney animatronic that is at the Hall of President’s and before the President’s start to talk bring Walt up on a riser talking about them and how the Hall started . Make it a 2 or 3 minute introduction. I think that would be a great tribute the Walt and his hard work in making what he believed in come to life for all of the guest see what he has done .
This is a featured article, and locked? There's a dumb grammatical typo in the opening paragraph. :rolleyes: Maybe someone could fix it. Correction: TWO dumb typos! How in the world did this get advanced to feature article status like that? 2603:800C:F01:87B:0:0:0:1C3B (talk) 19:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Well I can spot one typo, and it's in a sentence that wasn't there when the article became featured. Perhaps before I tweak things though you could spell out exactly what you've found so I don't have to revisit... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Theme parks, television and other interests: 1950–1966
Because the article is double protected, I can't edit it, so here is some additional information those with access could add:
In the early 1960s Walt Disney planned to build a five-story indoor theme park under a giant dome, covering two city blocks in downtown St. Louis in Missouri, and called "Walt Disney's Riverfront Square" a few blocks from the Arch grounds and the Mississippi River. It never happened because according to the rumors Anheuser-Busch beer baron August A. Busch Jr. insisted that the theme park sell beer, which Walt refused. But in a 2013 account of the St. Louis project for the Disney History Institute, Todd James Pierce wrote that any disagreement over beer had been worked out — money was the issue. Disney was willing to pay for the rides and attractions, but wanted St. Louis' redevelopment corporation to pay for the building. The corporation declined to do so.
"Disney may have had another reason for not wanting to commit a lot of money to St. Louis: Even as he was courting civic leaders here, he was acquiring land in Florida for what would become Walt Disney World."
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Hello, I would like to edit this page source. I would like to edit it because there are a few missing details you have missed along the history of Walt disney.
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Add "party" parameter to infobox and say "Republican (after 1940)".
Coming from sentences on political involvement and partisan allegiance as can be seen in article section "World War II and beyond: 1941–1950". Titi68999 (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. As they're not a political figure there is no reason to place party affiliation in the infobox with no context. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I have started a conversation below. I do not feel strongly about this but would be beneficial to have a community discussion. -- Titi68999 (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Request for comment: Party Parameter in Infobox
Should Disney's political affiliations be included in the infobox? The section "World War II and beyond: 1941–1950" explains in several sentences his partisan affiliation and allegiance. Here are some more sources on his political involvement: 1, 2, 3. Disney was lightly involved in Democratic politics, but during The Second World War and the Cold War Disney became known for his conservative and staunchly anti-communist views. His brother Roy, who was also politically active, has his party in his own infobox.
I, personally, do not feel strongly one way or another about including this, but would love to gage other editors' opinions. -- Titi68999 (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Unless someone is/was a politician, I believe his or her politics can be mentioned in the article but not in the infobox. The infobox should be reserved for the information most pertinent and relevant to whom that person is/was. — Xenophore; talk23:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Exclude from the infobox, discuss in the body. It is definitely noteworthy enough to mention in the body, but it is not a defining aspect of his notability or life and shouldn't go in the infobox. Political parameters in infoboxes should be reserved for politicians, activists, political appointees, political talking heads, and other people whose politics or party are a key aspect of their notability, not for people whose politics have only received coverage because they are notable for unrelated reasons. --Aquillion (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Exclude. His political affiliations are not a significant aspect of his notability and they would be a very small part of a complete biography in an encyclopedia about him, so I don't think it's relevant enough for the infobox. Endwise (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Exclude. Though Disney's political beliefs are notable enough to discuss in the body of the article, they're not relevant enough to his notability to be worth including in the infobox. As Aquillion discusses above, an individual's political views should only be included in an infobox when that individual's notability is predominantly based on their involvement in the field of politics. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Exclude Think his political affiliations are not that worthy while he wanted his animated films ,cartoons and his theme park free from Politics I think could say the same about his legacy as a person. Although the rumours are public interest , I think his creative work and his family life is more important and I agree won’t improve the info box 21:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)21:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)21:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Boar1 (talk • contribs) Mr Boar1 (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Exclude He wasn't a politician or an activist. His political affiliations are not relevant to defining Walt Disney's life and work. That kind of information shouldn't be in the infobox in this case. AnneDant87 (talk) 02:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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Hi I would Like To change This Page to show my friend that you can change any wiki page and you can change it back once I'm done so please can I have permission to change the page 165.228.51.42 (talk) 05:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Not done and will not be done: We're aware that anybody can in general edit any page, as this is part of Wikipedia's open concept. However, when pages are edited in a disruptive fashion, these are sometimes protected, as has happened here. If you just wish to demonstrate your friend that anybody can edit Wikipedia, please use the sandbox for doing so. if you have a specific constructive change to be made, please specify which in a new edit request on the appropiate talk page, I am declining this one. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a Manual of Style, but as far as I'm aware your proposal is not covered by it, and traditionally style issues not covered by that guideline are decided on a case-by-case basis. I'm also not sure your belief that "most articles have it like that" is correct - there are certainly some that do, but others that use the model shown here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
"I'm also not sure your belief that "most articles have it like that" is correct." I'm sure some do use the model on the article in question, but the model I proposed makes more sense anyhow. The year becomes before the event as the year was marked by the occurrence of the event, not the other way around. 2001:8003:680C:3D01:7D35:C3C9:4577:2BDA (talk) 00:57, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
"Disney has been accused of anti-Semitism for having given Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl a tour of his studio a month after Kristallnacht, something he disavowed three months later claiming he was unaware who she was when he was issued the invitation."
Does anyone else consider this to sound a bit odd? Did he regularly give random strangers personal tours through his studios? How was he issued an invitation when this was his own studio? And who invited Leni Riefenstahl to the studio in the first place if it wasn't him? And why did he end up giving the tour for Riefenstahl when someone else invited her? FormerRussianRouletteChampion (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Already done - the article already states this in note A, directly following that sentence: In 1909, in a renumbering exercise, the property's address changed to 2156 North Tripp Avenue.Tollens (talk) 03:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It also would be helpful if you'd specify where in the article you'd like this information added. Rivertorch (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Not done per www.findagrave.com Mlpearc (open channel) 01:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
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Done Thanks for pointing them out. - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Not done as you haven't explained why, nor cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Done - but as that file is at Wikimedia Commons, you could have made that change yourself - Arjayay (talk) 09:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 18:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:16, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Already done - the article already states this in note A, directly following that sentence: 
