Talk:Vic

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On 25 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from VIC to Vic. The result of the discussion was moved.

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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post-move[edit]

In May, the clickstreams (https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Vic) show 2118 incoming views, of which 335 to the Catalan/Spanish town (~15.8%), 39 to people list (~1.9%), and 17 to the state of Victoria (0.8%). It seems like an improvement, but it sure seems like we're still not navigating most readers well. --Joy (talk) 08:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

French places[edit]

Clarityfiend are you sure that the Vic-* toponymy in France is just a partial match? It sounds like it's covered by WP:PTM part that says Placenames are often divided between a specific and generic part, for example North Carolina (where "Carolina" is the specific, and "North" the generic part). In this case the list included:

Vic-sur-Aisne (02 Aisne)
Vic-sur-Cère (15 Cantal) in south-central France
Vic-de-Chassenay (21 Côte-d'Or)
Vic-des-Prés (21 Côte-d'Or)
Vic-sous-Thil (21 Côte-d'Or)
Vic-le-Fesq (30 Gard)
Vic-Fezensac (32 Gers) in south-western France
Vic-la-Gardiole (34 Hérault) in southern France
Vic-sur-Seille (57 Moselle) in north-eastern France
Vic-le-Comte (63 Puy-de-Dôme)
Vic-en-Bigorre (65 Hautes-Pyrénées) in south-western France

These names clearly mean Vic in Aisne, Vic in Cere, Vic of Chassenay, etc, so it's naturally disambiguated, but they're all still Vic just like North Carolina is a Carolina, no?

Maybe this needs to be brought up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/France- and French-related articles so it's clarified there. --Joy (talk) 14:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The broader issue of whether something like North Carolina should be included in Carolina (disambiguation) needs to be resolved. MOS:DABNOENTRY states: "On a page called Title, do not create entries merely because Title is part of the name ... This does not apply if the subject is commonly referred to simply by Title." North Carolina is not referred to simply as Carolina, New York is never called York, and while I'm not French, it makes sense to me that the same applies to Vic-whatever. The wording in WP:PTM seems to contradict DABNOENTRY, so I think this should be discussed at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I'm going to start one there. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These would never be referred to as plain "Vic" in French (except perhaps informally by locals, when the context is clear). The word derives from Latin vicus meaning village, so listing them all on the Vic dab page would be rather like listing Edinburgh, Pittsburgh and Greenburgh on Burgh (disambiguation) Rosbif73 (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]