Talk:Ursula Haverbeck

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ursula Haverbeck article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1: 3 months

While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.

Biography

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Germany Low‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women writers Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women writers, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women writers on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women writersWikipedia:WikiProject Women writersTemplate:WikiProject Women writersWomen writers articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

It is requested that a photograph be included in this article to improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

Neutral Point of View.

Many articles about the Holocaust and about criminal trials in which the central charge is the assertion of views contrary to those required by the laws of a country (i.e., "Holocaust denial") are one-sided essays that push a singular point of view, often accompanied with an explicit warning that this is the only "acceptable" point of view. Obviously, this isn't the same thing as a Neutral Point of View. Indeed, it usually looks suspiciously like another case of censorship or intimidation being used on behalf of political correctness because it would not otherwise have a leg to stand on.

Accordingly, I would like to see the article written to ensure a Neutral Point of View, whether or not writing it that way would result in its being blocked from viewers in Germany.

Jenab6 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since the Holocaust is a documented fact beyond any question whatsoever, not sure what NPOV stance you would like to see? Wiki can't publish BS. 104.169.35.251 (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The broad subject here is not historical fact but freedom of belief. That was quite clear in the first comment above. Do try to be serious.92.24.250.42 (talk) 06:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're free to "believe" whatever you want to (no one knows what's going on in your "brain"), unless you publicly spread lies about the shoah or unless you deny or even approve it and thus disturb public peace. At least here in Germany this is forbidden. 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, the English WIkipedia is not the "US Wikipedia".

Secondly, you are violating the "not a forum" rule. This is the place to discuss "Ursula Haverbeck", nothing else.

Thirdly, you are mixing the right of free speech with the right to publicly spreading lies. The later is not granted in Germany with respect to the holocaust and this is the reason why Haverbeck has been sentenced several times. Nillurcheier (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And, given Germany's nazi past and considering the danger from all those post-war nazis, this is only logical. 46.114.139.216 (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

literally anything would do? There isn't a single mention of what Haverbeck said or did, the only thing we have is a series of accusations. If you fail to see the lack of neutrality, you're not arguing in good faith. 37.165.189.1 (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You do not understand what WP:NPOV means. The consensus is that Holocaust deniers are full of shit. Pretending that it is a valid position is the opinion of clueless fence-sitters, but it is not NPOV. --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

objections to the picture by 93.214.123.91

Here we will discuss if the pic should be removed and the reasons why. Personally, I don't see the downside, it's nice having pictures of things, no? Bluexepnos (talk) 11:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the image. It's from ca. 2014 and shows a woman posing in a Nazi uniform. No relation to Ursula Haverbeck. Chrisahn (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The photo was most likely from deutscheswarmblut.tumblr.com (deleted) or prussica-imperatrix.tumblr.com (deleted). A copy from 2014-12-11 can be found here: https://unrepentantwarriorpriest.tumblr.com/post/104912244990/. Chrisahn (talk) 17:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

oh, well I'll be darned. Another source had the pic labelled as her. Alright, then I'll not put it back up. Bluexepnos (talk) 12:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sentenced again

She's been sentenced again. For further information and sources see the German wikipedia. 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How can they so fear a 94 year old woman ? 47.202.194.213 (talk) 02:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a fear, it's the law, which does not know an age limit regarding holocaust denial.Nillurcheier (talk) 07:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death reported

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/innenpolitik/id_100535272/ursula-haverbeck-neonazi-szene-trauert-um-holocaust-leugnerin.html 62.74.17.109 (talk) 00:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Country

In the section "Right-wing extremism" it reads as follows: "...Germar Rudolf, Jürgen Graf, Gerd Honsik, Wilhelm Stäglich, Fredrick Töben (Australia)...". They are all from Austria, not Australia. Please correct. 217.149.170.232 (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not. Töben is indeed Australian, Honsik is Austrian, Rudolf and Stäglich are German and Honsik is Swiss/Russian, as you could have learned had you clicked on the links. I added nationalities to the non-German ones and changed the order so nobody will assume that "A, B, C (Australia)" means that A and B are Australian. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]