Talk:Toyota Hilux

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Use by militant groups in lead?

There's currently a subsection on the vehicle's use by militant groups, but nothing about it in the lead. Would it be appropriate to add a line? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's a niche use that does not affect the design. If Toyota put in special reinforcing plates just to make mounting large calibre machine guns in the bed better, that would be mentioned in the lead. Stepho talk 21:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We care about more than just a vehicle's design, though. A comprehensive article should cover its cultural reputation, and the quote we currently use — "the vehicular equivalent of the AK-47. It's ubiquitous to insurgent warfare" makes it seem like that's a notable part of its reputation. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's merely one use and certainly not its most common use by a long shot. To mention it in the article is fine. Just not notable enough to be in the lead. To put a different perspective on it, go to any Australian mine site and about half of the vehicles are Hiluxes. That would be far more appropriate for the lead than militant use because the numbers are much, much higher and is actually part of the design. Stepho talk 21:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How many reliable sources talk about its use in Australian mine sites? Cultural reputation doesn't follow neatly from usage numbers. And our obligation under DUE is to reflect weighting in sources, not usage numbers or deference to a manufacturer's design intent. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How many reliable sources talk about its use by militants compare to the number of reviews (in reliable sources) for civilian use? Militant use is very much a niche use, which is why it is in the article but not in the lead.

For another example, a Tundra was used to tow a Space Shuttle (see Toyota Tundra#Pulling the Space Shuttle Endeavour. It's mentioned in the article but not in its lead because it was a niche use that nonetheless got a lot of media coverage. Excited media coverage does not always equate to notability. Stepho talk 22:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - it is a niche use and having it in the lead would be undue weight. --Sable232 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

5LE engine to be added…

…for the Sixth Generation. Boscaswell talk 08:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have references from reliable sources? Without references we can do nothing. See WP:FACT and WP:RS. Stepho talk 09:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the BTTF HiLux?

I think that this vehicle should at least be mentioned as it was playing an important secondary role to the BTTF1 storyline. 2A02:560:586B:D500:80C8:269B:9EC7:29AE (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]