Talk:Tornado outbreak of March 31 – April 1, 2023

Future article moving, if necessary

Today looks awfully intense, and there is a possibility tomorrow could yield some severe weather as well. However, the article has its current title, until any tornadoes are confirmed tomorrow at dawn, when activity could continue under a QLCS mode. As such, do your best to abstain from moving the article UNTIL tornadoes can be confirmed to hace occurred on April 1, a situation we had trouble last week with this. Mjeims (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it worth it to consider making a late March/early April 2023 tornado outbreak sequence article at some point? LeaveTheBourbonOnTheShelf (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

No. These are all well separate storms and should be separate articles. Likewise, if Tuesday performs as expected, that should be a separate article for April 4-5 (but we're getting ahead of ourselves). CrazyC83 (talk) 02:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

High Risk

With th most recent Mesoscale Discussion 390, it appears we will be getting our first high risk since March 25, 2021. It will be necessary to change the outlook picture once that happens, and to update the synopsis section. Mjeims (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I think its safe to say that this high risk verified. ChessEric 00:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

if only there was morning convection during the morning then we wouldn't have so much tornadoes or a violent one (lolkikmoddi not signed in) 66.116.21.158 (talk) 15:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Tunica Tornado

Can we add the confirmed Tunica Tornado to the table? it is ongoing, and big power flashes are happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G.0700 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

yeah theres quite a few that are missing, i would edit but i dont know shit about editing on here lol. 24.144.186.55 (talk) 01:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The charts generally only contain EF? tornadoes (ones that are unrated) if they caused fatalities, lot's of injuries, or special cases (like a major city being struck). Other tornadoes should be added once they are rated by NWS. This is done to help prevent overall confusion between editors and because "reported tornadoes" is not always confirmed tornadoes (example was the tornado emergencies on April 15, 2023 with no confirmed tornado). Elijahandskip (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Bomb Cyclone

The low, according to SPC mesoscale, is only at 992mb and according to models bottomed out around 986mb. The definition of a bomb cyclone is 24mb in 24 hours and that hasn't occurred, it has been in generally the 990's it's entire life. Jamisonsupame (talk) 01:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Little Rock deaths?

Where is the source for 5 deaths from the Little Rock tornado? All the sources seem to say 1 in Little Rock Metro and 4 in Wynne. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Governor Sarah Huckabee on TVH11, an Arkansas based media. I can't access their articles due to GDPR. Blizk2 (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Correction: it seems to be 5 deaths in the entire state, not Little Rock. Indeed seems misquoted. Blizk2 (talk) 19:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Keota and Hedrick, IA tornadoes

NWS Quad Cities posted a tweet stating that the Keota, Iowa tornado has been preliminarily rated EF3, so I was wondering whether we should treat the Hedrick and Keota tornadoes as the same tornado for now, or if a new entry for the Keota tornado should be added in the tornado list. Chrispanda (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

EF? Is not EFU

Just to tell anyone passing through who wants to edit this page that EF? and EFU dont mean the same thing Pikersdoing (talk) 19:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ohio

NWS confirmed tornadoes in Wapakoneta and Troy Ohio. Chaseton1 (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Shannon Illinois experienced the tornado. Trees pulled out of ground. Roofs off. Structures down. Freeport Illinois also 2604:2D80:D777:C000:E1ED:4FDE:696D:172C (talk) 12:54, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed on ITN

This article, in combination with the previous outbreak, has been proposed to be added to the frontpage on ITN (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#April_1). I've made a point to mention of the predicted outbreak anticipated early this week to prepare editors for the possibility of expansion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Possible tornadoes on April 2

Today, while of course not as intense as Friday, seems to have to possibilities to yield a few additional tornadoes in Texas, including a few that may be strong. A further move of the article may be needed, and we should begin to concern ourselves in naming this an "outbreak sequence" if another batch of tornadoes comes through Tuesday. I can't really see them being treated separatedly at this point. Mjeims (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mjeims: any tornadoes today wouldn't be part of this outbreak. The system producing severe weather is a shortwave trough coming from the Southwest/Mexico, unrelated to the larger system that produced tornadoes March 31 – April 1. The same will go for the potential outbreak on April 4–5, that'll be the result of another distinct system coming from the Rockies. There's enough physical, meteorological, and temporal separation to not include them into this article. An outbreak sequence would be more appropriate for rapid succession of similar systems (less than 2 days apart imo) in the same regions. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, makes sense. I had the outbreak sequence of 2019 in my mind, but indeed the geographical locations and weather systems are distinct enough. Thank you for the clarification. Mjeims (talk) 20:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

You could theoretically make a sequence article, but that would need to be done retroactively and I don't foresee it being necessary here. United States Man (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The NWS Fort Worth did confirm a weak tornado from yesterday, but I honestly think that this outbreak article should not be changed to an outbreak sequence article due to just the sheer volume of destruction that this outbreak caused. With another large outbreak expected soon, I think we should leave this as a two-day outbreak and not include anything else. ChessEric 20:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe change the name?

The storm caused a lot of damage with winds from a few seperate QLCS with damaging winds. maybe changin the name to the March 31st-April 1st severe weather outbreak is a good idea. 67.20.226.45 (talk) 20:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Nah. As significant as the damaging winds were, this event is going to be remembered for the tornadoes, not the winds. The current name will stay. ChessEric 20:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Add section in non-tornadic effects for Central Plains wildfires?

While not as important as the tornadoes that happened on this day, I would like to note that the winds feeding into this system did cause some reported 60 mph+ wind gusts in Kansas and Oklahoma on the back side of the system, which helped feed some wildfires. I feel that this would merit a mention in the non-tornadic effects section. 205.143.140.0 (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I can't remember whether any fire weather advisories were issued—probably so—and I'll check later for those and for any wildfire effects. Penitentes (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Stop Using directional titles for the full summaries

There’s no city called “Western Little Rock”, and we only use directional titles for the table entries, so please stop doing this. North Little Rock is an actual city, so that’s why it’s listed. TornadoInformation12 (talk) 23:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Keota Section

Does the Keota EF4 actually warrant it's own section? The tornado barely hit anything, and was only rated EF4 off a single structure. There were no fatalities, and there's very little specifics on the impact to Keota (probably cause there wasn't too much). The biggest appeal of this tornado is to enthusiasts of weather who would be compelled by the cycloidal marks, intense nature, and appearance. I believe a more general audience is actually reading this page and we should refer to WP:AUDIENCE in this case. Wikiwillz (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

It really doesn't warrant a section in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really care either way on this one. United States Man (talk) 21:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I say no. The Delaware tornado, although weaker, did more damage than the Keota tornado, but it got its section removed. If the Delaware tornado didn't need a section, why does Keota need one? ChessEric 06:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

2023 in the United States collage submission

This article was proposed as a potential choice for the 2023 in the United States collage. You are free to participate in the collage choice discussion here: Talk:2023 in the United States#Collage submissions. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Update to the Robinson Tornado

The NWS in Lincoln updated the track and intensity on the Robinson tornado, changes may be needed to that section.

https://www.weather.gov/ilx/UpdatedRobinsonTOR Jamisonsupame (talk) 02:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Misunderstanding/Misusing the DAT

I have removed the content added in this edit. The DAT point was a simple mistake in button clicking and holds no significance to the actual tornado survey. Furthermore, the end statement implying that the NWS needs more than one damage indicator for a certain rating is a misconstrued thinking from a poorly worded statement from NWS Milwaukee. The actual meaning is that contextual evidence surrounding a single DI is needed (i.e. trees that have been knocked down next to a destroyed building). Rating a building EF3 when all the trees next to it are undisturbed is something to be avoided, which is what the statement is alluding to. Adding statements to Wikipedia pages sourced with non-official Twitter accounts is also something to be highly discouraged. United States Man (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Potential cost of the little rock tornado

Since the western kentucky tornado and the little rock tornado have yet to have a final damage cost I wanted to know what the actual cost of the tornado might have been Colin777724 (talk) 06:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)