Talk:Thomas Fremantle, 1st Baron Cottesloe

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Ancestor of Betsygate - Ian Duncan Smith's wife?[edit]

Any connection with the wife of IDS? Seems to be implied in a Daily Mail article at http://www.fmwf.com/health/2010/07/betsy-told-me-it-was-cancer-her-words-took-my-breath-away-iain-duncan-smith-talks-for-the-first-time-about-his-wifes-illness/ . Should be linked to the Wikipage on 'BetsyGate' at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsygate if accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.234.144 (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why an Austrian baron?[edit]

Could someone explain why an eighteen year old non-noble Briton would be made a baron by the Emperor of Austria? john k (talk) 07:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is not correct. His father Admiral Thomas Francis Fremantle was made Baron Fremantle of the Austrian Empire. His son Thomas Francis Fremantle inherited the title when he was eighteen year old and his father died. Since his name is similar to his father's, probably this produced the error. However, he received a royal warrant himself which officially authorized the title in the UK. This royal warrant is still valid. Dr. D.E. Mophon 09:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but please provide a source - the Austrian barony is not mentioned in the DNB article. I also don't think it should be included in his title at the beginning, regardless, since the title (assuming it existed) wasn't used. Before he became Lord Cottesloe, he was called Sir Thomas Fremantle, not Baron Fremantle. john k (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]