Talk:This Is What the Truth Feels Like/GA1

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 22:06, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Nomination failed on June 23; archiving page since the review was completed and any additional discussion or markups do not belong here. —BlueMoonset (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This should be interesting. Expect comments within a week or two. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:06, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Thanks for the review! Isn't everything on Wikipedia interesting?? ;) Carbrera (talk) 22:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Sure thing. Some things spark more interest than others, though I was saying the article seemed like an intriguing read from a glance. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox
  • @SNUGGUMS: Wait, what do you mean by this? Were you just pointing out that it's okay, or did you mean it "has an inappropriate FUR"? Carbrera (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Thanks for the clarification.
  • I don't see anything in the article body suggesting she recorded this in 2016
 Done Removed.
Lead
  • I don't really think we need to mention how much time passed between the release of this and her previous solo album
 Done Removed.
  • "Benny Blanco being the executive producer" → "with Benny Blanco serving as executive producer"
 Done Changed.
  • Not so sure "Baby Don't Lie" and "Spark The Fire" are lead-worthy when neither of them were even included on any edition this album's tracklist. Either way, "didn't" in "didn't feel right to curate an album" should be "did not" per WP:CONTRACTIONS
 Done Fixed.
  • I don't know if "roller coaster of emotions" is encyclopedic
 Done Removed.
  • What exactly is "too commercial" supposed to mean?
 Done Changed wording.
  • Other nations should be mentioned for album charting; don't focus solely on Billboard 200
 Done Reworded.
Background and recording
  • Coachella and The Voice aren't relevant here, and Pharrell merely hinting at something doesn't mean it's noteworthy
 Not done @SNUGGUMS: while I agree that The Voice is not relevant here, and I have removed it, I do not see why Pharrell mentioning the possibility at Coachella is not. It was the very first mention that Stefani would/could be releasing new material, which would eventually stem into a third studio album. Also it paves the way for the mentioning of "Baby Don't Lie" and "Spark the Fire" within the same section.
  • VMA's 2014 bit isn't entirely clear what she's doing since this doesn't specify whether the music in question was for herself or for No Doubt, and also doesn't even mention Pharrell, so I'd remove it
 Done Removed.
  • "perform its lead-single during The Voice live shows" → "perform its lead single live on The Voice"
 Done Changed.
  • "very moderate" is rather odd phrasing, just say "moderate"
 Done Changed.
  • Unless I'm missing something, Billboard doesn't mention a December release date for "Spark the Fire" and actually suggests a November 24th release
 Done Switched to iTunes source instead.
  • "In a December 2014 interview for Spin, she revealed" → "She revealed to Spin in December 2014 that"
 Done Changed.
  • We don't need to state that sessions with Calvin Harris and Charli XCX were separate
 Done Removed "separate".
  • I don't see any mention of the aforementioned songs with Charli XCX or Sia being performed here, and don't know if it's necessary detail to begin with when they never were released as singles or even made it to the album
 Done Added better sources and reworded accordingly.
  • "wasn't done"..... WP:CONTRACTIONS, and perhaps "complete" is a better word than "done" or maybe just use "was incomplete"
 Done Fixed.
 Done Changed per factual information; thanks for that catch.
  • "On October 19, 2015, during an interview for Entertainment Weekly, Stefani revealed"..... overly wordy, try "Stefani revealed to Entertainment Weekly that October"
 Done Fixed.
  • "During an interview with Zane Lowe, she also revealed" → "She later told Zane Lowe"
 Done Fixed.
  • "didn't feel right"..... again, WP:CONTRACTIONS
 Done Fixed.
  • This doesn't mention anybody that she worked with or any of the material
 Done Fixed accordingly.
  • "During the interview, Stefani revealed" → "Stefani additionally revealed"
 Done Changed.
  • Rick Nowels, Linda Perry, and J.R. Rotem aren't mentioned in any of the attributed references
 Done Removed.
  • If possible, I would include when she finished this album
 Not done To be honest, I can't really find anything set in stone determining when the album was finalized.
Writing and inspiration
  • The boxed quote is a bit much, and its link doesn't display such text anyway
 Not done Once again, this seems like a matter of opinion, and the link does display such text.
  • "In a radio interview for KHTS-FM, while reflecting the album's main theme, Stefani considered the album"..... way too much, just go with something like "Thematically, Stefani considered the album to mainly be"
 Done Changed.
  • The quote that comes right after is too long; you only really need the "My cross to bear was to go through these heartbreaks and write these songs and help people" part (comparisons to Tragic Kingdom mentioned here aren't really necessary)
 Done Removed additional quotations.
  • "In an interview for Ryan Seacrest, the singer also revealed" → "The singer also told Ryan Seacrest"
 Done Changed.
  • The quote on the record company is repetitive when you already state they felt her work was too personal, just go with how she went against their advice
 Done Removed in a different kind of way.
  • Not sure if "and the next day she ended up writing what she thought was the least commercial song on the album, "Used to Love You", and they approved it" is necessary
 Done Removed.
  • Again, I don't know if "roller coaster of emotions" is encyclopedic
 Done Changed.
  • "dark humor-vibe" → "humorous vibe"
 Done Changed.
  • "Sarcastic", "humorous", and "joyful" are all commonly recognized terms that don't need to be linked per WP:OVERLINK, and Joyful links to an album page anyway
 Done Removed links.
  • Unless I'm missing something, "joyful" and "happy" aren't part of the same sentence that AMP Radio gives
 Done Removed "joyful" and "happy".
  • The Rolling Stone link doesn't mention any works or people she worked with, so use something else, and "very" in "very personal" is overkill
 Done Added another source and removal "very".
  • "According to herself" reads awkwardly
 Done Removed.
  • "and a hint that the album could really happen" is already implied given the "first opening" quote
 Done Removed.
  • The AMP link doesn't seem to mention Julia Michaels (from what I could find), only a "Raja", and might hint at J.R. Rotem, but only says "J.R." without a "Rotem" and isn't entirely clear who that is
 Done Added official BMI source to back up the statement.
  • Fuse only mentions "Make Me Like You", and "how good the song was" is an opinion that needs attribution per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV (quotes are an option)
 Done Added another source to back it up.
Composition
Themes and lyrical content
  • This should probably contain the overall genre listed in infobox
  • "This Is What the Truth Feels Like contains songs about betrayal and disappointment, and songs about moving on from a broken relationship and falling in love again" is plagiarized from the original source's text (only differences is "has" instead of "contains"). The terms "betrayal", "disappointment", and "falling in love again" also are commonly recognized terms that don't need to be linked.
 Done I'm sorry that this even happened; this should never have occurred in the first place.
  • "The Ballad of Blake and Gavin" should be italicized; even though this isn't the actual album's name, it was deemed a potential title
 Done Changed.
  • "commented about Stefani's personal lyrics on the album" is already implied through the following quote, and "commented about" reads awkwardly
 Done Reworded accordingly.
 Done Changed.
  • "the high-profile tabloid romance with The Voice co-star Blake Shelton"..... too much; just use "subsequent relationship with Blake Shelton". Additionally, while Rolling Stone does clearly reference Blake with "gushy new-boyfriend songs" after talking about Gwen getting with him, I don't see anything in it even suggesting its content was based on Gavin Rossdale, so a different ref is needed like this piece from Entertainment Weekly
Songs
  • It seems overkill to mention the track order except for opening and closing songs
 Done I changed this up a bit so it isn't so repetitive; feel free to look this over if you choose.
  • File:My Song 2.ogg is one second too long per WP:Manual of Style/Music samples (WP:SAMPLE), which says to never exceed 30 seconds or whatever 10% of the song's total length is (depending on which is shorter). I'm also not sure if any of the audio samples really are beneficial to begin with.
 Done Removed.
  • there should be an "and" between "future-disco beats" and "captures the highs and lows of being gobsmacked in love", and "gobsmacked" has a stray quotation mark at its beginning
 Done Added "and".
  • "ska pop" → "ska"
 Done Changed.
  • "complicated feeling of falling hard when you least expected" is plagiarized from Pitchfork, and using second person is discouraged per WP:YOU
 Done Correctly changed and better POV; this is quite embarassing.
  • Please try to paraphrase the "she's grateful for (if a bit scared of) the new relationship, and realizes she's worth true love, but yet admits she dreads chatter about it being a rebound and doesn't want to embarrass herself" quote
 Done Removed altogether.
  • "faces the fact that a relationship is over" and "anticipation of a crush potentially texting a snap" are both plagiarized from The A.V. Club. Also, "faces the fact" and "crush" don't seem like appropriate tone, and is "snap" referring to Snapchat?
 Done Multiple fixes performed.
  • What is "fiery" in "fiery songs" supposed to mean?
 Done Reworded.
  • Try to paraphrase "her sorrow turns to anger as she looks back at the 'warning signs' she now realizes she ignored in someone 'living with no consequence" and "piano swagger, Radiohead references, and a finger-wagging cheerleader chant"
 Done Paraphrased.
  • "who's been 'shady so long that Mr. Shady is your name'" is overkill
 Done Removed.
  • Again, "crush" doesn't seem like appropriate tone
 Not done It's part of the quote.
  • "they're" → "they are" per WP:CONTRACTIONS
 Not done It's part of the quote.
  • Slant doesn't give any genre for "Me Without You"
 Done Correct source is now there.
  • "outright" in "outright declaration" is overkill
 Done Removed.
Release and promotion
 Done I switched things up a bit here.
  • This doesn't give a specific date of performance or release (days of the week are often vague and can potentially refer to multiple days within a month)
 Done Reworded accordingly.
  • "sometime around 2016" → "in 2016"
 Done Changed.
  • "It was among many magazine lists of 'The Most Anticipated Albums of 2016'" doesn't seem particularly worth noting anymore since the album was released a while ago, (though I can understand including this sort of thing for upcoming releases) and three lists is far from "many"
 Not done I think this a matter of opinion; that wouldn't make sense to mention this sort of information but then removing it once the album is release. I'm keeping it and in addition have added some more sources.
  • "which was later confirmed as the album's title" isn't supported here, but you can use this to say she revealed title and album cover the next day
 Done Thanks and now changed.
  • No need for detail on the album's cover art; it's not like this created controversy or gathered any other significant attention aside from first being revealed
 Not done I'd beg to differ; there are several sources out there discussing its meaning and one instance of controversy occurred which is now included.
  • "Make Me Like You" isn't even mentioned here while "Misery" is only said in that to have recently been premiered
 Done Added a better source.
  • Location of tour dates is better for the tour article
 Done Got it.
  • Unless Eve ends up being more than just an opening act, I'd say she's better for just the tour article as well
 Not done Since she will be with Gwen at every single concert, I think it would be good for a mention.
  • Let's include how the tour ends on October 15th
 Done Included.
Singles
  • "Simple" isn't needed to describe the "Used to Love You" music video
 Done Agreed and removed.
  • "The song performed moderately on the charts, peaking at number 52 on the Billboard Hot 100 and 10 on the Adult Pop Songs, while elsewhere it reached the lower regions of Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom." is completely unsourced
 Done Sourced now.
  • I'd include something on how "Make Me Like You" performed commercially
 Done Added.
  • MasterCard concert is better for the main "Release and promotion" part before this, and whether that was the first live performance of "Misery" is better for the song's page
 Done Kinda did some switching here, but it is gone.
Critical reception
  • Us Weekly isn't a credible source, so their review isn't worth including
 Done Removed.
 Done Added "The".
  • "opined about" reads awkwardly
 Done Reworded.
  • "but alerted" → "but felt that"
 Done Changed.
Commercial performance
  • Pure sales for US are needed to, not just album equivalent units that include streams
 Done Added pure sales.
  • Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't mention sales and only gives chart numbers for albums
 Done Removed phony addition.
  • How many copies did it sell in Australia in its first week?
  • @SNUGGUMS: Where do you find how many copies it sold in Australia in its first week? I've yet to find this. Thanks! Carbrera (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Haven't come across that myself, but do feel it is something that should be included if known Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:33, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Haven't found any source to back this up, so I can't include it.
  • This section needs a major expansion as it currently only talks about three nations previously mentioned. The absence of others where it charted is a glaring omission.
 Done A major expansion has occurred since this review.
Charts
  • I don't see the album listed here
  • @SNUGGUMS: Can you take a look at what I did for this? I added a subnote since the page cannot be archived. Thanks. Carbrera (talk) 04:13, 2 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]
 Done Added note.
References
 Done Removed any dead links.
  • "That Grape Juice" and Us Weekly (aka Us Magazine) are by no reasonable measure reliable sources
 Done Removed both sources.
  • I'm not sure if "Bustle" or "Popjustice" are good to use
 Done Added better sources for the both of them (The New York Times and BMI).
  • Instagram is discouraged as a reference when other credible secondary sources are available
 Done Changed source.
 Done Removed "The Observer".
 Done Fixed.
 Done Unitalicized them all.
 Done Italicized them all.
 Done Added "The" for them all.
  • Forbes in plain text links to the magazine, so no need for parentheticals within the link
 Done Removed parentheses.
  • I'm not sure if Lenta.ru should have italics or not; while it is a news site, I don't know if they're exclusively online
 Done I'm keeping them un-italicized for now, along with leaving it as a "publisher".
  • I can't say for sure whether "Music Times" be italicized
 Done I'm keeping them italicized for now, along with leaving it as a "work".
  • Don't include publication or URL names within titles (i.e. remove "| Slant Magazine" from "Gwen Stefani: This Is What the Truth Feels Like | Slant Magazine" and "The Boston Globe" from "Gwen Stefani connects with the 'Truth' - The Boston Globe" as well as "Ultratop.be" from "Ultratop.be – Gwen Stefani – This Is What the Truth Feels Like" and "Dutchcharts.nl" from "Dutchcharts.nl – Gwen Stefani – This Is What the Truth Feels Like")
 Done @SNUGGUMS: the former two you pointed out cannot be helped as it automatically does that wording; I'm using the recommended format per Template:Album chart.
 Done Changed.
  • WAY too many links for release date per WP:Citation Overkill; just one or two iTunes URLs and perhaps a link to Target/Amazon for CD release is enough
 Done Removed excessive links.
Overall
  • Prose: Plagiarism is absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances and an automatic fail. Even without such instances, the tone needs work, and various parts are overly wordy or simply don't read well.
  • Referencing: Sources used aren't entirely up to par, some instances of text not supported by attributed references, and formatting could certainly be better
  • Coverage: Some detail is irrelevant or unnecessary while other helpful detail is not mentioned
  • Neutrality: One instance of bias
  • Stability: Nothing of concern
  • Media: Questionable use of audio samples, and one is too long
  • Verdict: I'm very sorry to say this article was nominated for GA prematurely and is definitely going to need substantial improvement. Failing as a result since there are too many issues to place on hold. Better luck next time. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: Where was there any plagiarism? Carbrera (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I noted above, yes. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:59, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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