Talk:THQ Nordic

GmbH

Some back and forth on that, I would argue that it is appropriate in the lede. Don't need to use it every time, but a single time for each entity does provide information to the reader, so has value. Farmer Brown (talk) 22:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Products

@Iftekharahmed96 and Lordtobi: We're already deep in edit war territory here. Don't forget 3RR. I think it's time for talk page. -- ferret (talk) 12:34, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, ferret. I'll continue the discussion there. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Stop reverting THQ Nordic edits.

Look, THQ Nordic have published these games on Steam under the THQ Nordic banner, therefore, it is valid to place them as the current publishers of said franchises. Stop your invalid reverts Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

As I have already explained, THQ Nordic (as they already did under the Nordic Games banner) changed the "publisher" field tagged as metadata to the respective games on Steam to reflect their new ownership. For example, here here and here, when they acquired the Jagged Alliance franchise, the former publisher was changed to THQ Nordic/Nordic Games on the respective games. Wikipedia does NOT employ on retrospective changes such as this. THQ Nordic has had no original releases to any of those franchises, the only exception being Darksiders: Warmastered Edition. There were a few digital releases by Nordic Games, for example the Gothic series, but those are not notable works by the publisher, just republishings, and are not to be included in the "products" field. As opposed to your logic, This Is the Police actually was an original (co-)release by THQ Nordic, and could easily be included in the products field, but that was not of your liking. You could so far not provide any rationale for your disruptive edits other than "look on Steam". Please reconsider your statement and stop blaming others. Lordtobi (✉) 20:29, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, if you responding with a logical citation as to why THQ Nordic are the publishers then I would have given you credibility. This isn't about whether an edit is to my liking, because quite frankly, there's been a bunch of edits not to my liking that I've accepted, it's about credibility. And for goodness, stop assuming that I'm blaming you. I'm not. I just told you to stop doing something, that's not blaming. Blaming means that I am assigning a fault on you which is clearly not my intention. Do you think I like doing talks like this? I'd rather edit in consensus as oppose to conflict. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I was not Crystal Balling with my edit...

https://www.thqnordic.com/

It is literally on the THQ Nordic website, this is not a "Crystal Ball" edit, this is definitive proof from the company themselves that they are actively utilizing said Intellectual Properties and releasing it under their publishing label. Look at the left and right navigational arrows, they show all the different THQ Nordic franchises or games that will be released. And by the way, the Darksiders remastered releases can be classified as new products because the publishing label is under Nordic Games and the content has been modified from the original THQ releases. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

The Darksiders and MX vs. ATV items were already kept in my revision as THQ Nordic has indeed already released new titles in those series. On the THQ Nordic site, truly a "The Guild 3" entry can be found, however, as I have multiply stated, we cannot include it in the list as it links to Europa 1400: The Guild, which has no affilitation with THQ Nordic except for the retrospective ownership takeover. If there was an article on the series, or an article on The Guild 3 itself, that could be included in the list. And what also goes against your rationale to revert my edit: Painkiller does not a have a new-game entry on their website. Your most recent revision edit description concluded that I should "look at Rainbow Studios before you consider deleting MX vs ATV". The MX vs. ATV item has not been deleted in the first place, so that is an invalid rationale. I will now state it again: Saying that a new Painkiller might be released (there is no credible evidence of that) is WP:CRYSTAL. We may not link to Europa 1400: The Guild as a generale The Guild series article, as it was formerly unaffilitated with THQ Nordic, as long as neither the series nor the third game installment has its own article, to which we could link instead. As The Guild 3 currently does not have any content whatsoever on Wikipedia, it does not seem notable from an objective view, and therefore not included regardless, even if that might change in the future. Lordtobi (✉) 12:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painkiller:_Hell_%26_Damnation, Were you not aware that there was a Painkiller sequel that was exclusively published by Nordic Games? that's far from Crystal Balling, that's an outright fact of publishing. Plus, you have failed to see the released games by Nordic Games/THQ Nordic on the THQ Nordic page. I added said entries either because there is a sequel in developmnet published by THQ Nordic or, it was already published exclusively by Nordic Games/THQ Nordic. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 12:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I missed the Hell & Damnation game, thanks. Though that should be added to the products field instead of the series, as there is not quite a "series" (which requires three games in it by Wikipedia's guidelines). Also, I will be moving this to THQ Nordic's talk page shortly, as you stated yourself that you will be discussing there. Lordtobi (✉) 12:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Citation predicament...

We've got a problem here. Ever since 2017, the Nordic Games website has been terminated. This means that all the citations that have been provided which displayed explicit evidence of the majority of Nordic Games acquisitions can no longer be displayed. How do we solve this situation? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 13:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Have you checked web.archive.org for archived copies? -- ferret (talk) 13:52, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I had cut all such primary sources from the article, only the one you had just added was to remain. In theory we could get an archive version of that page/those pages, but Wikipedia tries to stay clean of major usage of primary sources. There should be a secondary source that lists franchises acquired from JoWooD/DreamCatcher, and our burden would to look for just those. Lordtobi (✉) 13:53, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Primary should be fine from a pure WP:V point of view. We're not after commentary. -- ferret (talk) 13:54, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

GameSpot cites the primary article in question, this one can nicely be used in the article. Lordtobi (✉) 13:57, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the website (talk), I'll see if past articles by Nordic Games is still present there. But when it came to making this discussion, it stemmed from the fact that the only Atari SA IP acquisition sources was from the Nordic Games website. There was no secondary or tertiary source. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

There currently is a secondary source on the Atari IPs in the article. Lordtobi (✉) 14:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

My apologies, I meant Vivendi. that was an error on my part. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 15:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

A few cases have been resolved, I'm still trying to hunt down a source when and from who Impossible Creatures was acquired - there are sources that mention when the game was re-released, but not acquired. Lordtobi (✉) 16:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Impressive job Lordtobi . I commend you for finding these really obscure citations. It must have been a real challenge trying to identify them especially considering the fact you had to add more former companies into the mix with the acquisitions table. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

New game should be added - Fade To Silence

link is http://store.steampowered.com/app/706020/Fade_to_Silence/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.16.55 (talk) 02:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

THQ Nordic AB is the parent company for Koch Media. THQ Nordic's parent company will be re-branded

From Koch Media's official press release statement: https://www.kochmedia.com/en/2018/02/14/swedish-publicly-listed-company-thq-nordic-ab-owner-thq-nordic-acquires-koch-media-including-publishing-unit-deep-silver/

The Swedish publicly listed company THQ Nordic AB has today announced that it acquires 100% of the share capital of Koch Media GmbH.

THQ Nordic and Koch Media/Deep Silver will continue to operate as two separate entities under the publicly listed entity, THQ Nordic AB. Each company will have full operational focus on delivering each of its own business plans over the coming years. No restructuring, change in headcount or change in relationship with their business partners are planned. Synergies such as partnerships from both groups’ IPs, assets and development capacity, further distribution power will be reviewed going forward. Both entities will have a pro-active acquisition agenda along with the parent company’s growth strategy.

Koch Media Co-Founder, Dr. Klemens Kundratitz, will remain as CEO of Koch Media and will become a substantial shareholder of the THQ Nordic AB going forward.

The board of directors of THQ Nordic AB will propose a change of name of THQ Nordic AB well ahead of the AGM in the company in order to better reflect its strategy and business areas within the new group. The new name will not be used against end-consumers in order to avoid confusion and rather strengthen each entity’s independence. The names of both operational companies, including its publishing units Deep Silver and THQ Nordic, will remain unchanged.

THQ Nordic AB`s founder, CEO and majority shareholder Lars Wingefors welcomes the deal: “Koch Media is ideally suited to foster our ambitions for growth, profitability based on its employees and longstanding business partners. Deep Silver has four AAA games in development that will generate further growth for the coming years. With Koch Media business partners we plan to remain the leading European publishing partner for the years to come.”

Klemens Kundratitz, co-founder and CEO of the Koch Media group comments: “Due to the great strategic fit of the two businesses, I believe that this is a superb strategic opportunity for Koch Media / Deep Silver and THQ Nordic. Our plan is to continue to develop and grow all parts of our business. Now, that Koch Media is part of a stock listed company we aim to accelerate growth”.

Correctly, the company was acquired by THQN Nordic AB, though is the most likely, and represented as such in reliable sources, that Koch Media is suborganozed under THQ Nordic GmbH management-wise, so having it here is completely fine. Regarding the name change, we do not yet known when and how the name will be altered, so please keep an eye out for news and reliable sources. Lordtobi (✉) 19:25, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

From the press release, it doesn't look like there are plans on the short-/mid-term to put Koch under THQ Nordic GmbH management, or to fuse them. I would keep those subsidiaries separate until the management roles are confirmed to be changed as that most likely is going to be anytime soon. Regarding the name change, that will be presented to shareholders at the Annual General Meeting on 16th May, per the 'Transaction in brief' section of the press release, which can be found at http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/regulatory-press-releases/?releaseId=2819265 . TheLegendaryN (talk) 22:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Subsidiary to itself?

THQ Nordic is a subsidiary of THQ Nordic? According to swedish website "allabolag" THQ Nordic AB is a subsidiary of Lars Wingefors AB. https://www.allabolag.se/5565826558/thq-nordic-ab //Skottniss (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

The publisher is THQ Nordic GmbH, based in Austria. THQ Nordic GmbH is a subsidiary of Swedish holding company THQ Nordic AB, which in turn is a subsidiary of Wingefors' other holding company. You can actually find THQ Nordic GmbH listed as a THQ Nordic AB subsidiary on Allabolag also. Screenshot. Lordtobi (✉) 18:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Holding structure

Looking at THQ Nordic's acquisition presentation for Coffee Stain, it becomes apparent that THQ Nordic GmbH (this company), Koch Media [Holding] and Coffee Stain [Holding] are all held separate from each other under THQ Nordic AB, the parent of THQ Nordic GmbH (this company); Coffee Stain's CEO also directly reports to THQN AB CEO/founder Wingefors. Should we create a seperate page for THQ Nordic AB? It would also make senes to include the pre-2011 history there. Lordtobi (✉) 10:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I think it will become very confusing for readers if we have separate pages for THQ Nordic AB and THQ Nordic GmbH, but fortunately, they are planning to rename the AB, as announced when they acquired Koch Media. We'll have to take a good look at what content we want to show on the GmbH page and what content we want to show on the AB page, since a lot of history overlaps. When you take a look at the company chart at Wingefors' own website, you can see that the Swedish development studios are technically part of the AB (and not of the GmbH), while the foreign development studios are all part of the GmbH, while in practice, those Swedish studios are all part of the THQ Nordic brand. So will we separate those, or keep them all listed as subsidiaries of the GmbH for clarity's sake, even if it is technically incorrect? But in concept, I think separate pages for the AB and the GmbH are a good thing. TheLegendaryN (talk) 10:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

TheLegendaryN, you are correct at least looking from the legal side. Also in the schreenshot from the discussion above this one, you can see that the Swedish companies are subsids of the AB, but I assume that this is for tax purposes only. Meanwhile, the aforementioned presentation enlists eight internal studios (this was before the Bugbear acquisition announcement; there are now nine of them) with THQN in Austria (which is the GmbH), so management-wise (and by logic), these are subsidiaries of the GmbH. As such, we would only include acquisitions related to this company in the 2011-- history. Everything before that or unrelated to this company goes to the holding page. You say the holding is intended to change its name, was it announced which name that would be, and when that change would happen? Lordtobi (✉) 11:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Your plans regarding the subsidiary studios makes sense. About the name, there hasn't been a name announcement yet. They originally announced these plans when they acquired Koch Media (14 February 2018) and they were planning to reveal the new holding name during the AGM (16 May 2018). However, they have postponed this. The plans keep coming back in every earnings release, but I think they'll wait with the reveal until next year, and plan to let shareholders vote about the name change next AGM (17 September 2019). I only looked up the date of the next AGM for the sake of this post, and that's actually 10 months from now, which is a bit too long to wait for, I suppose. TheLegendaryN (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

TheLegendaryN, I found nice Swedish-language sources for the old history of the AB, I created an article here. Do you think it would make sense to move this article to THQ Nordic Gmbh for unambiguity, or would it be superflous since the AB is about to be renamed? Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 11:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I personally expect the new name for the AB to be announced at the AGM, which is in September. That is still a half year away, which I think is too long. I think it's okay to change the name of the article, but please take note of the correct capital letters: GmbH. TheLegendaryN (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was actually a typo. I'm fully aware that it's supposed to be spelled "GmbH", since I currently live in Germany, and here we have the same company types as Austria does. As for when the new name will come, they announced the proposed change when they acquired Koch Media, which was in February 2018. They might do it with the next AGM, or they might not. Given the 8chan stunt, I'd expect them to do it sooner, though. I'll wait for other's comments for now. Lordtobi (✉) 20:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

For a name change, there needs to be a majority shareholder vote. That vote will take place during a shareholder meeting. If they don't do it during AGM, they'll need a EGM (Extraordinary) to do so, which they haven't announced yet. Personally, I think that the implementation of a name change it still many months (if not over a year) away. I don't think it hurts us to rename the page now, and then move/rename pages by the time they've finally implemented their new brand. TheLegendaryN (talk) 20:18, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

The so-called "8chan controversy"

The article states "on 8chan, an image board website commonly associated with child pornography, racism and hate speech," but fails to provide citations proving these allegations. In fact, when such content is REPORTED, it is removed as quickly as possible. Unlike when such content is found on Facebook, at which point, if you recall, Facebook simply notified the police about the people who REPORTED IT TO FACEBOOK - https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/media/facebook-child-pornography-bbc/index.html - are we now to believe that this is a standard of article quality to be used globally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:207F:C8FE:C058:E516:6FBD:301 (talk) 23:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

This article is not about drawing comparisons on how different platforms handle different social problems. 8chan, for one, has had numerous incidents involving material (textual or visual) related to the topics mentioned here, for which Google has since blacklisted the site.

I'm not involved with the website, but this is the stuff I find: Take 4chan, which launched in the mid-2000s describing itself as "a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images anonymously." The site's sparse moderation and almost-anything-goes policy attracted disaffected teens, video game lovers, internet pranksters, hackers, and a sizable number of virulent racists. (...) But a couple of years ago, when 4chan decided to ban Gamergate threads because they were being used to post personal information and plan attacks, some of those "powerful people" started leaving. They moved on to 8chan, a site with even looser moderation policies. It became the new digital home for some of the most offensive people on the internet, people who really believe in white-supremacy and the inferiority of women. I'm not sure whether this was 8chan's vision from the start but it appears to be its fate.

Furthermore, all three sources referenced in the section each confirm all or the majority of the section's content, including the board's common associations with said topics, so that all content is sourcably covered.

Specifically quoting the sources; Kotaku: "(...) 8chan, an image board notorious for everything from Gamergate ties to stalking and harassment to child porn", Eurogamer: "(...) 8chan, an imageboard blocked by Google for hosting child sex abuse images, and well known for its acceptance of hate speech and abuse. (...) Right now, 8chan's front page displays threads on Nazism, "rational" anti-semitism, and the current India/Pakistan military tension described using racist terms", and Waypoint: "(...) 8chan, the same 8chan that's been involved in incidents regarding child pornography, swatting, GamerGate, and more".

It would make little sense to put all three cotations behind every sentence, as all three describe the same event that lasted just roughly an hour, amd every sentence would end on three citations.

P.S. The issue with Facebook probably belongs to their article, if anywhere (seems to be a single incident). You are also saying that 8chan bans offensive content, but I've read the opposite the other day. Do you have a source for that claim? Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 00:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

here is some info about rainbow studios

Rainbow Studios is a video game developer and an animation company, they are best known for Star Wars Racer Revenge, the series of video games based on the cars franchise, (including Cars except for the PC, GBA, NDS, PSP, and Wii versions, Cars: Radiator Springs Adventures, and Cars Mater-National Championship the PS2, Win, X360 versions only) as well as the MX vs. ATV franchise. as well as behind the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (5-minute 2001 pilot) and (2001 3D animated CGI TV series pitch) for Mirage Studios that was meant to shop around networks in 2001. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 (talk) 05:17, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

hey, i found some new and updated information:

Rainbow Studios Inc. is an American video game developer and an animation company, they are best known for their off-road racing video games involving motocross bikes and all-terrain vehicles. The company was founded in 1995. Originally making Rail shooters with their first game being The Hive, the company shifted gears and created Motocross Madness, which was released in 1998 for computers running Microsoft Windows, they were also known for Star Wars Racer Revenge, the series of video games based on the cars franchise, (including Cars except for the PC, GBA, NDS, PSP, and Wii versions, Cars: Radiator Springs Adventures, and Cars Mater-National Championship the PS2, Win, X360 versions only) as well as the MX vs. ATV franchise. they were also behind the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (5-minute 2001 pilot) and (2001 3D animated CGI TV series pitch) for Mirage Studios that was meant to shop around networks in 2001. Originally independent, it was acquired by THQ in 2001. On August 9, 2011, THQ announced that it would shut down THQ Digital Phoenix (which Rainbow Studios was known as at the time) as well as other game development studios and not "actively pursue further development" of the MX vs. ATV franchise in a company re-organization. until being acquired by Nordic Games in 2013, and incorporated as Rainbow Studios Inc., in 2015.

here is their official website: https://www.rainbowstudios.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 (talk) 18:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

References

This will probably need more sources to justify a reinstantiation of the article. Lordtobi (✉) 21:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Hasbro Interactive asked rainbow studios to make a 3D remake of Missile Command for Microsoft Windows and PlayStation in 1999. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2019 (UTC)