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Regarding cleanup

I have tried to improve the flow of the article somewhat. I think it's pretty good myself; but I wasn't completely sure about myself in some areas, such as the gameplay and story sections. Could someone double-check my work, or whatever the eqilivant is one Wikipedia? --GUTTERTAHAH 22:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

A Few Revisions

I corrected the article's information about the Super Flower, and added italics to game names that were missing them. Also, I made note of the GameFAQs link leading to four guides, not just one.

It seems to me that this article does not require cleanup any longer. Who gives the OK to remove the cleanup tag? --69.64.3.12 16:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)Derek

I agree, I'll remove it now. --GUTTERTAHAH 03:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. theme?

(Of note is the fact that the Super Mario Bros. theme is heard in the levels where Mario rides the Marine and Sky Pop, with an increased tempo and some notes changed slightly.)

I don't think so. I do see a kind of resemblance, but it's a stretch to say it's the same theme at all. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


I think it sounds like a remix...

GA on Hold

OK, first off, citations need to be properly formatted, some aren't. making it the third highest selling game of the Mario Series [2] - try and make sure the citations are by what is being cited-- remove spaces, et al. That's all I see for now, fix them and we should be good to go. David Fuchs (talk • contribs) 23:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, some more nitpicky things: there are a couple of double spaces between headings; and fair use rationale for all images. See the images at Halo 2 for examples. In addition, the lead is a bit short, whether or not there is any more relevant info is up to you. David Fuchs (talk • contribs) 23:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I fixed the citations, as well as the double spaces between headings. Also, I provided every picture with a fair use rationale. For the lead section, I added Gunpei Yokoi as creator. --Accered 12:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The YouTube link should be removed per Wikipedia's guidelines on YouTube videos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/YouTube). I'm not sure if this video is fair use. Mouse Nightshirt 13:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Done. --Accered 13:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Right, well I'm happy enough, but since I'm not the reviewing editor, I can't touch. However, as part of WikiProject CVG, I'm happy to rate it as a GA for WPCVG. Mouse Nightshirt 18:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Well it looks good to me. Using the powers invested in me by the GA template, Super Mario Land is now a good article. Shazam! Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 22:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

port

is there a port of this game or is one planned? (preferably wiht color!--PopiethePopester 23:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • There was a port planned for the Virtual Boy ;) --SeizureDog 07:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That was going to be more of a sequel, or maybe a spinoff or side game, like VB Wario Land.--DinnerSonic 05:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Super Mario Land box art.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Previous version

The article says "Unlike all previous Mario games, Super Mario Land was not created by Shigeru Miyamoto" but i don't think the american version of super mario 2 on the NES was created by miyamoto. It was a remake of a completely different game... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.66.95.28 (talk) 21:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


GA reassessment

I believe this article is not even close to GA quality.

  1. No sources for Gameplay at all.
  2. I just removed several pieces of guide content, and there's even more content that really, really needs removal.
  3. The development is entirely OR and unsourced.
  4. The only well-sourced section is Reception. This is definitely not a GA article - the Mario Bros. article is in better shape. This article is a Start-class article at best. If there's no objection, I'll be removing the rating after two or three days. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Well since he forgot and I didn't, delisting.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I didn't forget, I was just too lazy to do it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 08:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Japanese and North American release dates

I noticed that the JP and NA release dates in the sidebar don't agree with the ones at the beginning at the article. I'd suggest someone re-checks the sources and figures out the truth here. I'm inclined to believe the JP release date in the sidebar since it comes from Nintendo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.70.199.198 (talk) 23:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Please check/undo this revision

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_Mario_Land&oldid=369810227 Someone changed things like "The other characters such as Bowser and Peach do not make an appearance" to "Princess Peach makes an appearance". I don't know what's right but I can't find any references that say this is true. There are other edits in this revision that don't make sense too. 98.194.226.245 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Redundancy

"Super Mario Land marked Mario's first appearance on the Game Boy and is the first Mario game for the system."

Doesn't anyone else find this redundant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.31.157.10 (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Full colour on GBC rubbish

I've removed the following:

Although the game was developed for the Game Boy, Super Mario Land will be displayed in full color when played on the Game Boy Color (GBC). This is because it was one of a small number of Game Boy titles for which a specific color palette was stored in a database within the internal boot ROM of the GBC[1].

...because the link was a post on a forum and a quick bit of Googling couldn't verify any of it. I'd be very surprised anyway, given it was at the dawn of the monochrome GB and the GBC was years away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.11.95 (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Compare with the info in the GBC article:
"In addition, 93 Game Boy games have a special palette that is enabled when no buttons are pressed. Any game that does not have a special palette will default to the dark green (Right + A) palette. Notable games that do have preset palettes are Metroid II: Return of Samus, Kirby's Dream Land 2, Super Mario Land, Tetris, and the Wario Land series. The default palettes are stored in a database within the internal boot ROM of the GBC, and not the game cartridge itself."
The source is the same forum post. However this interview with one of the devs confirms that for at least one of the abovementioned cases, a GB game had a special custom palette programmed in the GBC hardware and that it allowed it to be played in full color, comparable to a NES game. I believe there is no doubt in mind that the same happened with Super Mario Land and other games on the list, and as such, the statement should be re-inserted, even if a {citation needed} tag may be needed. Salvidrim! 22:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


Yes I found that the fact that the source was the same link quite ironic - guess that article should be changed too! I see no suggestion of this being the case anywhere in regards to this game on web searches, so I don't think that a 'citation needed' should be acceptable compared with removal.
I remember this claim that ephedrine increased the metabolism by 10% with a 'citation needed' on the ephedrine page, Googling it resulted in websites claiming this to be the case all backed up by Wikipedia's article on it, but no independently verifiable claim - just a 'verification paradox' because of the initial claim by someone who had once put it in the article; and yet on a sports forum I was on, many people were of the conviction that this was the case, all because of an unverified claim on Wikipedia which shouldn't have been there at all because there was no implication of this at all referenced on the net or in books. Given the shaky foundations of the claim for this palette and the lack of anything even suggesting this in a web search makes me think it should just be removed outright. I'm also not keen on the phrase "I think they were able to put a special "Metroid palette" in the GBC hardware"; it could just as easily be an urban legend much like the "I think ephedrine increases the metabolism by 10%" kind of thinking. 82.32.11.95 (talk) 00:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually the source I just presented (not the forum one) is an interview with one of the devs confirming that the fact is correct. Salvidrim! 00:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Problem is, as a GBC owner with a large game collection...I can confirm this isn't factual, it still uses the default palette.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Right now we have one RS saying that this "feature" is existing and confirms it for another game, we have one source of doubtful reliability asserting it is a verified fact, and one editor whose own OR seems to contradict both sources. This'll need some deepert analysis. Salvidrim! 02:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Actually even the developer interviewed states he "thinks" it was in place, not that it was. Coupling that with no definitive statement or evidence, it should probably be removed till it can be absolutely proven.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
  • After reading the sources, I'm inclined to agree. I personally believe the facts put forth to be probably correct, but there doesn't seem to be a source confirming it. Salvidrim! 03:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Salvidrim, I know your source was an interview, and like I said, I quoted the guy as saying "I think they were able to put a special "Metroid palette" in the GBC hardware" - he was in no way sure, hence my saying could be an urban myth. 82.32.11.95 (talk) 11:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
  1. ^ Disassembling the GBC Boot ROM

Notes from the rewrite

unused

czar ⨹ 18:24, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Super Mario Land/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 21:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


This will be my last review for some time ☠ Jaguar ☠ 21:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

  • "Super Mario Land[1]" - why is there a citation on the title in the lead? Per WP:LEADCITE citations themselves are usually discouraged from the lead unless it's citing controversial information. Is the title itself controversial in a way that it is known differently throughout other regions, like Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels was known as Super Mario USA in Japan etc? The Japanese title could be put into brackets also
  • "Super Mario Land is set in a new environment drawn in line art, Sarasaland" - seems confusing to put Sarasaland directly after line art, it wasn't until I read the gameplay section that I realised it was the game's setting
  • "It was the first portable version of Mario and the first to be made without Mario creator and Yokoi protégé Shigeru Miyamoto" - Yokoi's protégé?
  • "Reviewers were satisfied with the smaller Super Mario Bros., but noted its brevity" - this short sentence could be ellaborated a little better, perhaps something like but noted concerns with its length/replay value would summarise?
  • The lead summarises the article well though initially I thought it veered somewhat disproportionate due to it being the longest section, but no worries
  • Princess Daisy's debut might be a worthy mention in the lead, she does become a major character later
  • Is there no basic plot to this game?
  • "Levels end with a platforming challenge to reach an alternative exit above the regular exit" - does this mean that the alternative exit is actually above the regular exit or is it hidden elsewhere in the level?
  • "Unlike other Mario games, the game takes place in Sarasaland (rather than the Mushroom Kingdom) and are drawn in line art" - is drawn in line art
  • "Some elements recur from previous Mario games, like blocks suspended in midair" - sounds very minor but I think it would sound better as such as blocks suspended in midair
  • "Yokoi had previous invented the Game & Watch series" - previoulsy
  • "Without Miyamoto, the development team used elements new and inconsistent" - "Without Miyamoto" is mentioned directly before
  • Yokoi being hailed as the Game Boy's inventor is mentioned repeatedly in the Development section
  • The first sentence in the Reception section disrupts the prose flow and could either be expanded or merged with another part in order to summarise briefly the game's main praises/criticisms or aggregate scores (if any)
  • Are any aggregate scores available for this game?
  • "Still, IGN's Levi Buchanan thought the game" - sounds a little informal
  • ""Playability to the nth degree!" Matt Regan of Mean Machines agreed." - I've read this a few times and still don't know what this is? Is it a error from a the previous sentence?
  • "The game begat a Super Mario Land series of portable Mario games" - began?

References

On hold

I never played this game but it does sound enjoyable, shame it isn't on the 90s kid list! Anyway good work with the article, I picked out a few prose/organisational issues among some errors but I'm sure you can handle it. On a more personal note I'll be taking a break from GA reviewing to focus on other things, but I feel that this article could be expanded if you plan to FAC this. I'll leave this on hold until all of the above can be clarified, thanks! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 21:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Appreciate the review, @Jaguar! I think I've addressed everything, if you can please take a look. My understanding of WP:LEADCITE is that the lead's citations should not be redundant, though it'd be okay to footnote as I would in any other section. I don't think the Japanese title is of importance to understanding the game, and doesn't need to be included in the lead at all, but I included it as a footnote as some people like this. (That is to say that it has nothing to do with controversy.) I've done this in a few articles and I think it's an adequate compromise, but I wouldn't be opposed to leaving out the Japanese spelling altogether. I prefer "Yokoi protégé" for parallelism with "Mario creator". Daisy is mentioned twice in the lede, once in the last line to the extent you'd like. There is a sentence on plot, the one with "Tatanga". Reviewers didn't get more specific than that—it's a basic damsel in distress game. There is a GameRankings agg score, but it's mostly unreliable sources, so I wasn't comfortable using it as any accurate metric. "Playability to the nth degree!" was an inverted sentence, but likely too confusing as first phrased. "Begat" as in "gave rise to". Thanks again! czar ⨹ 06:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks czar, yep it all looks good and I'm confident all of the above have been clarified. I definitely misread "begat" but I thought that "began" would also work in the same sentence. Usually VG articles have its Japanese name directly after the English title, take any Sonic article for instance (I'm not happy with Donkey Kong Country having a Japanese name, seeing as it's Anglo). Anyway well done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination

{{Did you know nominations/Super Mario Land}} czar ⨹ 15:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Song released

I remember a song being released around the time, I don't recall if it had radio play or was released in shops. I think I recall a friend having it on cassette tape, but can't remember clearly. Perhaps as one word "Supermarioland". It has a music video, which is on Youtube [1]. By Ambassadors of Funk, something to do with Simon Harris (musician). Is it worth mentioning if sourced?  Carlwev  15:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Enemies

Koopas and Goombas are mentioned in the article, but this game takes place in Sarasaland, where no such creatures exist. The manual names them as "Nokobon" (with a bomb on its back, not an exploding shell) and "Chibibo". I think this needs to be changed. Pookiyama (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

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