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Lucky Star

(1) when artwork becomes available can someone please add to Lucky Star (Shinee song)

(2) there's an exceptional case of titling contrary to WP:SONGDAB at Lucky Star, "Lucky Star" (Madonna song) is sitting at (song) as follows. There was an RM in October 2013 to try and change this but there was no consensus: In ictu oculi (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Showcases?

I was wondering if we should keep the "Showcases" ssection on this site? It's really not that important to be on the main site. But I'm not sure if it's against any rules? --BoikoseLife (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I removed it--TerryAlex (talk) 23:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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Fans are called Shawols

Apparently, fans of this band are nicknamed Shawols. Worth a mention? Urban Dictionary claims that the word is derived from "Shinee" and "world". Equinox ◑ 19:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

It is not relevant enough to mention here. It was removed a long time ago from the page, the same with their fandom color and the typical role distributions in Kpop groups (main vocal, leader etc.).--Thebestwinter (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Honorific nicknames

It is already stated in the page Honorific nicknames in popular music. Plus it is a semi-protected article. There is enough notability and it is already in there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.57.239 (talk) 23:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

89.204.137.100 Almost 70% of the names written in the page have only 1 source. You said there are five different groups with the same name? Since they are not mentioned in that page, it means that there are no accompanying reliable source. Also, the same title can be given to more than 1 artist. Like TVXQ and BigBang were nicknamed as Gods of Kpop, and both of them have reliable sources as well. Titles can overlap and both of the page can use it. If you really insist on only 1 source, why not go and remove shinee and other artists who have only 1 source at Honorific nicknames in popular music and see how other wikipedians react. Excuse myself if I sound rude. 219.74.57.239 (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
mentioning thebestwinter as well. Afraid that he would not see the talk page. 219.74.57.239 (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Obvously not enough people are interested in keeping the page in correct state. "Semi-protected" also means not much, it's simply protecting the page from vandalism but everyone can create a page and add it there and no one will remove it if not enough people care about it. It's not like a lot of people care about Kpop groups otherwise 90% of the articles here on wikipedia wouldn't be a mess. There are always some discussions on the talk page of it so obviously there are some arguments going on. Also you can't simply add one source, which is not even a Korean source and use it. You are free to contact a wikipedia admin or someone like Dr.K. who knows what he is doing and let him take care of it but I'll remove it if you add it back till then. Unlike some others here I would like to keep the page relevant and correct. Shinee used to be a good article but it was removed because some people ruined the quality of the page but at least now there are more people interested in helping improving the article.--2A02:8108:1440:2870:E55C:3795:19A2:1D2 (talk) 15:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Anyone can create a page and it add it there and no one will remove? You sound pretty harsh to those Wikipedians watching that page. There are still some lurking there, reverting edits and trying to improve that page. Not forgetting that are users from other musical genres there too, not only K-pop fans. Semi-protected pages are also requested when there are "significant amount of disruption or vandalism from new or unregistered users, or to prevent sock puppets of blocked or banned users from editing, especially when it occurs on biographies of living persons who have had a recent high level of media interest." -> My interpretation is that the page got vandalised too often in the past, hence, it was added. And you said that 90% of K-pop articles are in the mess, and Shinee used to be a good article? My reasoning: Shawols out there are transferring to other fandoms and there is a rise of anti-fans. Admit it, some of you were not interested in Shinee in the past and stopped monitoring the page and then later came back to see it in a mess, and start to blame unregistered users. Then why do you think it got removed from being a good article? I feel that it's not the people who vandalise it at fault but rather, there are not many people out there willing to help improve this page at such times. Anti-fans are out there trying to disrupt pages but those true Wikipedians monitoring the page will revert them asap before it get really worse. 219.74.57.239 (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Anyway, I've found a few other sources: http://www.hancinema.net/singer-john-park-to-release-debut-album-in-january%3Cbr%20/canada-shinee-s-first-time-in-canada-for-hallyu-north-2016-nbshineeintoronto-nbhano16-92743.html . http://www.creatorsloungetoronto.com/event/kpop-megastar-shinee-first-time-in-canada-hallyu-north-convention-in-toronto/ . http://emagto.ca/2016/05/shinee-hallyu-north-expo/ . https://www.dramafever.com/news/shinee-is-coming-to-canada-/ . http://www.ksoulmag.com/2016/03/shinee-headline-hallyu-north/ . The first one is definitely reliable judging from the content on its website. I don't understand nor speak Korean, hence I can't find Korean sources. However, Wikipedia, encourage the use of English sources, if not, adding a translation would be appreciated ([[1]]). And just by looking at this, Korean sources in Shinee has no translations apparently [[2]]. 219.74.57.239 (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Someone who is able to access the semi-protected page, please help me to add the sources I found mentioned above, since some are saying 1 is insufficient. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.57.239 (talk) 13:26, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2017

SHINee consists of five members Taemin, Key, Minho, Onew and Jonghyun. Ohgawditsal (talk) 19:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ohgawditsal:  Not done. Jonghyun passed away today. CityOfSilver 19:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2017

Change "died" to "passed away". It sounds more respectful and would most likely be more comfortable to read for readers. 100.36.28.152 (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Euphemisms, the usage of the term 'passed away' is discouraged as it is a euphemism. –72 (talk) 00:49, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

Can you change the part about Shinee being a four-member group? They are still a five-member group but one of them is in Heaven. Thanks! 22alinay (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done, as above this has already been answered. They are now four active members and one past member. NZFC(talk) 19:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

change current picture (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Shinee_at_the_KBS_inaugural_concert_03.jpg/220px-Shinee_at_the_KBS_inaugural_concert_03.jpg) to any other photo that includes ALL FIVE members 141.255.64.120 (talk) 21:14, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done, infobox reflects current four members of the group. There are still a number of pictures in the article that shows the band at the time it had five members and/or have Jonghyun in them. NZFC(talk) 21:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

could you please change the profile picture to a one with jonghyun in because shinee will always be shinee5 Pllvamp123 (talk) 21:26, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done as answered above NZFC(talk) 21:26, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

This is a disrespect, PLEASE include Jonghyun 

image = Shinee at the KBS inaugural concert 03.jpg Spyros96 (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 Not done, answered above both why it isn't being changed and why it isn't disrespectful. NZFC(talk) 21:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

Please change the photo back to a picture of all 5 members. And revise the article to say they that are a 5-member group and will remain so. Put him back in current members, because that's what he was and how he should stay. Please accentuate the fact that Shinee has been five and will always be five and Jonghyun will never leave them. Kaiamb (talk) 22:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not doneNZFC(talk) 22:22, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Apology to SHINee fans regarding Photo

I'm really sorry about the photo, guys. But this was an edit that was unpreventable. Jonghyun is forever a great part of my life, for years he has been. But unfortunately, Wikipedia's guidelines result in these terrible edits. I've tried not to be involved with the article ever since I woke up to read the news, but at the same time, I didn't want anyone else to be blamed for the photo. However, there are other photos in the article that feature Jonghyun, the main photo being the only 4 member photo. Currently, I am writing a new Loose Files book, not about a murder, but about remembering Jong-hyun. Believe me, I was the one who complained about EunB and RiSe being in the past member box of Ladies' Code, (both of them died in a car accident almost 3 years ago,) but I didn't win that battle. I hope that everyone can recover from this tragedy.


The text may say that there are 4 SHINing stars, but no matter what is in the writing and photos, there will always be another star out there, SHINing brighter than ever as he soars across the Heavens, looking down at his hyungs and his ShoWol's knowing that he did a great job in the end. R.I.P. Jonghyun (1990-2017) -K-popguardian (talk) 22:56, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2017

SHINee is composed of five members: Onew, (the late) Jonghyun, Key, Minho and Taemin. Whalien (talk) 01:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The article already mentions all five of them and the death of Jognhyun RudolfRed (talk) 01:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Please be respectful to people making requests

Many people are very upset right now. Please be respectful of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.107.246 (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree. It's bad enough the rules and guidelines prevent us from making the desired edits, but I don't think it helps by saying, "These are facts people, not fantasies. Go away." Try to show more respect everyone, their favorite idol just passed.-K-popguardian (talk) 23:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2017

please change it so it says they have 5 members, they always have and always will. 144.136.189.126 (talk) 08:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done they used to have five members, they now have four - we report facts. - Arjayay (talk) 11:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

That's disrespectful. He should be listed with to rest of the members but with a dagger symbol beside his name to denote that he is deceased. Also the are not a quartet because at this point we do not know if the group will continue to promote and as such their last release was as 5 members and they should be seen as such. These are facts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.85.195 (talk) 14:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC) (Continued) If, like in the case of Ladies' Code, the go on to promote as a quarter, then should be noted as one, and Jonghyun can be listed as a past or former member — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.85.195 (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

No it is not "disrespectful", there are now four members and one past member, which is a matter of fact, and facts cannot be "disrespectful".
As for daggers or (deceased) or any other ideas you may have for the infobox, they all contradict Template:Infobox musical artist#past members which clearly states it should include. "Past members of the group, listed in order of joining with no other notation than names." and "If membership of the group has varied over time, it should not be noted here, but may be discussed in the article body"
If the group does not continue, they will all become "Past members"
We went through all these arguments with Ladies Code; the rules and guidelines are quite clear, and we will stick to them. - Arjayay (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The SM Entertainment official website for SHINee still agknowledges Jonghyun as an official member of SHINee. Many fans and members of SM Entertainment have expressed that there are still 5 members, one is watching over them all from Heaven. It is respectful to those mourning and suffering the loss to include this onto the page. It is a fact he is still part of the group according to the entertainment agency, so the wikipedia should follow in suit with official cite's information. If you need to check on the official cite it is shinee.smtown.com (Simply click "profile" tab.) Coffee.io101 (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia reports the facts but also uses reliable third party sources. While not meaning to sound harsh, It isn't interested in what the group has to say about themselves, it reports these facts. Someone who is dead can't be a current member of the group. Unfortunately it is as simple as that. NZFC(talk) 18:12, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Is wikipedia a platform to spark controversy and to hurt someone's sentiment. why should I be stopped from editing a page just because someone thinks that they are reporting facts when I can edit other. Does a death of person negate all his work done for so many years ? Does a death a person remove him/her from group without confirmation of remaining members or their agency? Are so called facts real facts when they revolve around uncertainty? Amku88 (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The page is protected and it happens all the time too, because when people die there is a lot of users that rush to the page to make their edits. So it is too better control what is said and any changes can still be made by asking here. As for sentiment, Wikipedia is black and white and doesn't take into emotions. As pointed out above there is a process for handling members of groups that have died and it is too list them as past members. Again a person who is died can't perform in the future on stage, it just is what it is. NZFC(talk) 19:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you IP person, but Wikipedia is not a nice website. Believe me, I would put 5 members myself, but Wikipedia is not really a place of respect, and I found that out the hard way (Ladies' Code.) Jonghyun is forever in our hearts, and a great part of life we can never let go of, but on Wikipedia, the belief is that business comes first, and I am ashamed to tell you this.-K-popguardian (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Arjayay, Coffee.io101, NZ Footballs Conscience, Amku88, and K-popguardian: I don't really have a dog in this fight, but since this issue appears to be coming up persistently in edit requests, can I offer a compromise solution? In the lead, change The group is composed of four members: ... to The group is composed of four active members: ... (i.e. add the word "active" between "four" and "members"). This would continue to present the state of affairs from a neutral/factual perspective while potentially appeasing those who believe that Jonghyun is still an honorary member after death. What do you all think? Mz7 (talk) 04:00, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
    Ah, looks like this has already been implemented by someone else. Mz7 (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Not sure who made the change but you are right, it does look better that way at the moment till we know more with what's happening with the group. NZFC(talk) 04:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Perfect! This way we still acknowledge he's a member, and at the same time, we also mention the fact he's no longer active. Fair and balanced :)-K-popguardian (talk) 04:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2017

The group is composed of five members: Onew, Key, Minho, Taemin, and Our Angel Jonghyun. Member Jonghyun became an Angel on December 18, 2017. 2600:1700:550:3820:BD78:4911:4475:D1F0 (talk) 00:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, encyclopedic writing needs to be neutral and precise. To this end, Wikipedia has a guideline which states that euphemisms should be avoided, including those for death. Mz7 (talk) 00:35, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

Akxviie97 (talk) 23:09, 20 December 2017 (UTC) please change the picture and put KIM JONGHYUN back because he is still one of the members 4people+1angel=SHINEE and please write his name

 Not done as above. NZFC(talk) 23:10, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Someone just reverted the image, should we leave it?-K-popguardian (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The person who did it is an admin and personally I would have keep the original picture of the five until more is released about the groups future, so happy to leave it as is. Have asked for further clarification in the future for these type of things. NZFC(talk) 23:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I have a feeling there is a lot more than 5 since The Misconceptions of Me was released and promoted with Jonghyun.-K-popguardian (talk) 06:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2017

Please remove the "Past members" section in the profile box. Jonghyun is still officially a SHINee member, whether he be dead or alive. Labelling Jonghyun as a "past member" just because he has passed away is like labelling someone's wife an "ex-wife" because they passed away, and we all know that that's not how it works. B.h94 (talk) 02:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done. He is a past member. The end. ℯxplicit 02:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Keeping jonghyun as “current” member

I noticed a lot of SHINee fans want to keep Jonghyun (including myself) as a “current” member even though he passed away, we feel like it’s not right to say “past member”, I don’t really have a rational argument about why because I’m only basing this on my own and many others feelings but I really hope that somebody will change Jonghyun back to “current member” Jinkishines (talk) 17:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

See above. Asked and answered. General Ization Talk 17:21, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Dead members are past members, this is an encyclopedia and not a fansite, see Ladies Code page for example. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Ladies' Code #"Past Member" versus "Member" talks about the same conversation everyone has had here. As you can see, both EunB and RiSe are still past members 3 years later.-K-popguardian (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2018

I wish to add updated records of concerts and public appearances to the webpage, as well as correct some grammar. For example, make minor replacements like the replacement of "Shinee" with the proper stylization of "SHINee" Ashbkyu (talk) 03:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2018

I would like to edit Jonghyun back to being called a member and not a PAST member as he is and will always be a member of the group SHINee. The other members of the group still consider him as a member and so do Shawols (members of their fanbase). Having him listed as a "past" member is offensive for the people who love him and it would be greatly appreciated if an edit was made for him to be in the list of "Members" instead of listed as a past member. Thank you.

Please change: Members Onew Key Minho Taemin Past members Jonghyun

To: Members Onew Key Minho Taemin Jonghyun Jayparkjimin22 (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Asked and answered multiple times above. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

Please change "Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017" to "Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun passed away in December 2017" because it sounds more polite and less upsetting. 93.74.150.149 (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia does not use euphemisms. Alexanderlee (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2018

Under the 'History' section for 2017 there is a spelling mistake, it says 'Shortly ater' instead of Shortly after'. 2.97.220.231 (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 17:34, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2018

Either source statement below or remove it since your personal opinions and subjective views should not represent info page.

Shinee are considered to be one of the best live vocal groups in K-pop and are known for their highly synchronized and complex dance routines, being awarded the Best Dance Performance Award at the Mnet Asian Music Awards three times in a row for their dance performances to "Sherlock", "Dream Girl" and "View". Shinee's signature musical style is contemporary R&B but the group is known for their experimental sound, incorporating various genres including funk rock, hip hop, and EDM. 98.111.190.204 (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I don’t know if you noticed, but none of the prose is sourced, because it’s a quick look over the group and all the information is sourced elsewhere in the article. The information you mentioned is in the Artistry section, and is sourced there. Alexanderlee (talk) 13:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2018

"Change picture with 4 members back to a picture with 5 members, please..."

Hello, I am sending you this on behalf of other SHINee fans. Firstly, I am sorry if this is the wrong way to ask this but I don't know much about how contact should be made in Wikipedia. As you might know, SHINee has lost one of their members, Jonghyun, in December 2017. So, I am asking you, to please change it back to a picture with the 5 members, as it is for us, fans, very triggering and hard to bare, it's very sad to see the 4 membered pic because he never left the group. We want his memory to stay engraved everywhere, and having a picture of him with the other members on their Wikipedia's page is a way to keep his memory alive. I really hope you can do this for us, please I beg you, and thank you so much. Sincerely, a SHINee fan since 2009. Shineeis5 (talk) 03:40, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Asked and answered multiple times, Wikipedia just reports facts. NZFC(talk) 03:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Change to Introductory Description

tw: suicide, death Hello, I wanted to ask if there is any way to change the word “died” in the sentence “Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017.” To a euphemism like “passed away”? I understand this may seem trivial in the grand scheme of the article, however I wanted to make this request since, as a fan especially, it is very difficult to read such a pointed statement. Chai-lattae (talk) 10:29, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chai-lattae - I am afraid not - This usage is specifically covered at WP:EUPHEMISM which starts "The word died is neutral and accurate; avoid euphemisms such as passed away." - Arjayay (talk) 10:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Please consider changing the main image for SHINee

Although editors are saying that band images must contain all active members, I ask you to consider the images on the pages of bands Queen and the Beatles. First of all, John Deacon isn't an active member of Queen but he is still included in their main band image as a vital member of the band. Equally, Freddie Mercury, an iconic artist and contributing member of the band who died in 1991 is still included in their main band image. To this day, Queen is *officially* 2 members - but their main image (rightly so) does not reflect this reality.

In addition, the image for the Beatles was taken in 1964 and is an old image of them as it includes all of them in their prime. If you needed it to be the most recent image of them, surely it would be of the three minus John Lennon, who quit before anyone else? Obviously that's counterproductive since everyone knows the Beatles as four members. It's the same with SHINee.

It may be factual that Jonghyun passed away, but he is a vital member of the band acknowledged by both SMEntertainment (their entertainment label) and the other members. It seems, like it would be with Queen and The Beatles, counterproductive to use a current era image of four members as their main band image as if Jonghyun merely quit, when in actuality he *died* and everyone does in fact know SHINee as a five member band that includes Jonghyun. Please consider these aforementioned bands when making these decisions, and please consider how their official representation considers them (5 members) and please also consider how fans feel seeing an image that does not accurately represent the band.

Finally, if you really, really must exclude Jonghyun from the main image, please consider using one of the images from their recent MV promotions wherein there is a shadow that is very obviously pointing to the presence of Jonghyun in spirit if not in physical form. (That image is here: https://i1.wp.com/officiallykmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/shinee-header-4.jpg?resize=900%2C600)

Thank you for reading, please try and consider doing the right thing. Aromantist (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I have WP:BOLDly made this change, and replaced the image with that which is used on 10+ other wikipedias (including the French and Russian wikipedias, among others). --HunterM267 talk 20:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I have reverted it. I'm not seeing a valid reason to use a photo of the group from 2016 when they are actively promoting as four today. The rationale doesn't really go beyond "I'm a fan and I want a picture of all five members as the main image", which is on par with the amount of IPs edit warring in trying to keep Jonghyun listed as a current member. The Beatles example doesn't hold any water, as they disbanded with Lennon, McCartney, Starr, and Harrison as the lineup. It makes little sense to use the most current image of the members in the band article post-breakup. In fact, the IP's argument would ask to replace Starr with Sutcliffe, the original member. Queen is a legacy band, so the comparison makes little sense. Two members of Ladies Code died a few years ago, but the main image is of the remaining three because they actively promote as such. Fifth Harmony uses a photo without Camila Cabello despite them being incredibly less popular following her departure. I simply any convincing basis to use an old photo for this group. The other editions of Wikipedia have nothing to do with the English Wikipedia; they run independently from each other. ℯxplicit 23:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
@Explicit: I appreciate your taking the time to explain your rationale behind the revert. I personally had never heard of the group prior to its mention in the WP:TEAHOUSE and reviewing this page, and while I personally could see the argument either way, your counterpoints to the usage in the case of The Beatles and Queen make good sense to me, as does your reference to other examples including Fifth Harmony and Ladies Code. I do have to agree that a disbanded group's image will be different than that of an active group's image, as is the case with this article. --HunterM267 talk 00:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

SHINee Image

Please change the picture of the group. The members of SHINee want all the new fans to know that they were a five member group. They don't wamt jonghyun to be forgotten. It's not like he left the band. If he has left the band then it would have been better to not include him in the picture but he died. So please upload a picture with all the five members. SHINee wants to keep his memory alive and they are always talking about how they are going to still go forth as a five member band even if jonghyun is dead. El demou (talk) 08:42, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

See above, this is an encyclopedia and not a tribute page Snowflake91 (talk) 09:29, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Shinee is 5

TO WHOM EDITED THIS PAGE, plz put it back to how it was before. Jonghyun didnt leave the group so therefore it is still a group which consists of 5 members. Please and thank you. Shawol227 (talk) 06:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Shawol1227: this has already been addressed multiple times above. Wikipedia isn’t a memorial. Alexanderlee (talk) 06:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018

Can the following lines be reworded: 'The group is composed of four members: Onew, Key, Minho, and Taemin. Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017.' in the following form: 'The group originally consisted of five members Onew, Key, Jonghyun, Minho and Taemin, is currently active with four members as vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017'. Lamgad (talk) 09:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The group is composed of four members: [[Onew]], [[Key (entertainer)|Key]], [[Choi Min-ho|Minho]], and [[Lee Tae-min|Taemin]]. Originally a five-piece group, vocalist [[Kim Jong-hyun (singer)|Jonghyun]] died in December 2017 is good enough – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 23:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Request Additions to Concert Participation

Hello Wikipedia!

I have two potential additions to suggest for Shinee's Tour --> Concert Participation section.

1) Korea Times Music Festival in 2016 Similar to KCON (which is already listed on the page), KTMF is an established music event happening since 2003, and Shinee attended in 2016. They are listed in the KTMF wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Times_Music_Festival#2016 and on the official site here: http://ktmf.koreatimes.com/?page_id=867

2) LA Kpop Fest 2014 So far a one-time event, Korean Broadcasting System hosted a free concert held at the LA Memorial Coliseum to mark the anniversary of Korean immigrants arriving in America. Shinee was arguably one of the most popular artists in the lineup, and performed last. Billboard wrote about it here: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/5908543/free-k-pop-mega-concert-coming-to-la-featuring-2pm-sistar-shinee Wayback source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140406055025/http://lakpopfestival.com:80/

--2601:640:8100:BBD5:3CF3:DEEF:B980:E68D (talk) 01:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2019

"on March" = "in March" 2605:E000:9149:8300:8978:33C5:7486:46A9 (talk) 06:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 06:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2019

change 'died' to 'passed away' as many fans are still devastated by the news and it makes it a little better by not using the word 'died'


 Not done We do not "sugar coat" everyday phrases, also Wikipedia is not censored - FlightTime (open channel) 21:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Jonghyun

There is a falsehood in this article's summary. It reads that the four members of SHINee are Onew, Key, Minho, and Taemin. Whoever wrote this must not have known that Jonghyun never officially left SHINee. He died, but never left the band. It should read "SHINee is comprised of five members: Onew, Key, Minho, Taemin, and Jonghyun, but Jonghyun is no longer an active member." Although the Wikipedia article does mention Jonghyun being a member, on the Google Search Results he is not represented and that is extremely disrespectful to not give Jonghyun the credit and remembrance he deserves. Most people won't read the Wikipedia article but simply take the information straight form the Google Search as fact. The summary of SHINee needs to be altered so when you Google SHINee, Jonghyun is there.

Also, the photo of SHINee must be changed because it doesn't have Jonghyun in it and it should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShorterthanJimin (talk • contribs) 23:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

No, this is not a tribute fan place and we report only the facts, he is dead and is no longer a member. Snowflake91 (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2020

86.19.189.236 (talk) 14:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Wording Question

In the first paragraph, it is written that Jonghyun "passed away". Should that be changed to "committed suicide" or is the distinction unimportant? Lin Xuexi (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@Lin Xuexi: it says that he died, that's all that's needed for the lead. Circumstance is mentioned in the relevant section of the article. Alex (talk) 15:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2020

SHINee has five members not four. Jonghyun is a member of SHINee so please add him to the list of members. Jisungsjollofrice (talk) 18:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done No, Jonghyun is dead, so is no longer a member. This is not a memorial or tribute fan page, we stick to hard facts, This has been discussed several times before - please read the archives - Arjayay (talk) 18:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2020

Bunch of the listings here lists "SHINee" as Shinee. However, I'd like to make a clarification that, as not only a band group name, but also as now signifying a brand, that the proper way to spell so called Shinee is in fact "SHINee" with all capitals except the two lower case e's. Story of Light (talk) 03:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses standard English spelling - even if the trademark owner uses other spellings. This is consistent with writing in formal encyclopedia. See policy of trademarks here WP:MOSTM Evaders99 (talk) 03:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

SHINee is active (and didn't stop)

It should say SHINee are active from 2008 - present day, and not 2008 - 2018. Although 3 members were in the army, Taemin was still active as a member of SHINee (not just as SuperM and a soloist). Not releasing albums does not mean not being active. SHINee related content was still being released (a lot of it as protected content in the official fanclub sites, and therefore less accessable to non paying members of the fanclub and non fans.), and Taemin celebrated the SHINee debut day anniversaries with live streams. Regardless of whether you consider the above as inactive, SHINee has officially restarted activity with the release of the oldest member, Onew, from the army back in July, where he did a live stream celebrating his release through the SHINee channel. Now, all living members are currently released and are working on their next album, with constant live streams on SHINee's official vlive page and videos uploaded to their YouTube as well as vlive. They cannot be any more active than they are right now, considering the circumstances, besides releasing an album (which will happen soon). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.130.152 (talk) 11:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed and edited. The end date is affecting the Google search snippet which pulls data from Wikipedia's Background Information section. Also noted common practice of citing dates active for other groups such as Big Bang, Super Junior, and TVXQ. Enlistment of some members should not affect dates if remaining members are still performing duties as a member of the group.

Official schedules and releases 2019-2020:

  1. SHINee holds exhibition for Shawol on 11th debut anniversary - OSEN, 23 May 2019
  2. Taemin's appearance at SHINee 11th anniversary exhibition, 01 June 2019
  3. SHINee Special Party - THE SHINING Kihno Album, released 11 Dec 2019
  4. 2020 SM ARTIST SEASON’S GREETINGS DVD - SHINee, released 13 Dec 2019
  5. SHINee 0525 - SHINee 12th Anniversary - V LIVE event, 25 May 2020

Pichipichi8 (talk) 20:42, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

The Story of Light

The Story of Light wasn't released as a standalone album, it was released as 3 EPs. The Story of Light is the full album, and is even marked as "The 6th album" officially. It's a situation similar to Song Machine, Season One: Strange Timez by Gorillaz, which was released as 7 EPs before being compiled as the group's 7th official album. - K-popguardian (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2021

There are FIVE members not 4 but FIVE 2601:244:5080:2580:CD43:2A6B:ED0F:8098 (talk) 05:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

There are currently four members, with the group oriiginally being five. This is stated clearly in the article. Alex (talk) 05:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

Hello, I would like to request for the area where the members are listed to include ALL 5 members. The 5 members are Onew, Key, Minho, Jonghyun, and Taemin. Please consider this as this is upsetting many people that this area is only including 4 members, when they are originally a 5 member group. 2603:8081:880A:2F13:2495:2EA7:7DA1:7DBB (talk) 04:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss this in a "please change X to Y" format. As it's already mentioned in the lead was originally a "five-piece group", this is already accurate. So fans being upset by deceased member is not an argument. Evaders99 (talk) 05:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2021

Shinee is a 5 membered group and jonghyun should be immediately put in and then after it should be said he sadly passed away 2A02:8086:6BF:8F80:1C43:A64D:EDFA:4125 (talk) 11:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

See the archived discussions, this has been explained so many times already. His death is already mentioned. Alex (talk) 13:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

5HINee

shinee is still five ya'll 😐✋🏻 Dahaesong (talk) 08:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2021

Shinee is formed by 5 members not for even after jonghyun's passing in 2017 the members have said multiple time that they will always be 5 2806:108E:D:A6D0:8575:93BF:FA98:76A1 (talk) 02:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: — see discussions above and in the archives. DanCherek (talk) 03:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Grammar

Shouldn't "died in" in the first paragraph be "died on"?[1]

--Apologies, realized that because only a month and year was given, "in" would actually work. Still awkward on first read though!--Vyeh3 (talk) 20:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://lingohelp.me/preposition-after-verb/die-in-of-from-on-for/

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2021

change the group is composed of four members to the group is composed of five members 82.26.116.222 (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: EN-Jungwon 07:40, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

"The group is composed of four members: Onew, Key, Minho, and Taemin. Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017." change "four members" to "five members" and add Jonghyun as one of the members. Remove "Originally a five-piece group".Tomorrow.21.today (talk) 11:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Tomorrow.21.today (talk) 11:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: EN-Jungwon 12:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021 (2)

Please "change shinee to SHINee" wherever you have it so documented

To write "SHINee" as "shinee" is incorrect. It's spelled correctly but, the brand is specifically written and marketed as SHINee for a reason. It's an intenentional representation of the meaning behind their name "SHIN + ee, the ones who receive light." Please correct as this can lead to errors with the multitudes a newer kpop fans and other information media. Thank you. 2603:6080:A703:6900:14E5:7F77:BBDD:9784 (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: MOS:CAPS says to follow standard capitalization rules (as in “Shinee”) unless a substantial majority of reliable sources say otherwise; the sources here seem to use both. Regardless, marketing purposes are not a valid reason for writing the name as “SHINee”. If consensus forms to change the capitalization, this request may be opened again. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 14:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2021

Change "The group is composed of four members: Onew, Key, Minho, and Taemin. Originally a five-piece group, vocalist Jonghyun died in December 2017," to, "The group is composed of five members: Onew, Key, Minho, Taemin, and Jonghyun." Mirxgie (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Why would we do that, considering it is no longer true? General Ization Talk 00:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021

Please add that there are FIVE members of SHINee Chianne08 (talk) 12:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2021

This page should be edited that SHINee is FIVE members. SHINee will ALWAYS be five, Jonghyun is always present in their videos, their lyrics, their actions, their words, and in our hearts. you are doing a disservice omitting him as a member. 2601:2C1:4080:2500:B8D5:58AA:60BE:A598 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See archives EN-Jungwon 15:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Potential misalignment of sources

While trying to find sources for another project I noticed that source no. 100 does not appear to have any information related to what it is referencing. I might be missing something, so I ask that someone else double check it. If it is wrong, there may be a chance that other sources might also have issues. Superlucer (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You're right, it had no relevance to the article at all. I've now replaced it, but the rest of the sources will probably need checking at some point. That may take a while though. Artemisia (talk) 20:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2021

SHINee made a big impact on the kpop industry 2A02:908:1874:2D40:816B:FAEB:5597:8183 (talk) 19:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Members section

Is this section necessary? It's mostly restating information already included elsewhere in the article. Artemisia (talk) 16:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Artemisialufkin According to this Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Article guidelines, a member section is optional if the individual members is not notable enough to have its own article, which for Shinee, all members has its own article. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
I see, that was what I suspected. In that case, I will go ahead and remove it. Artemisia (talk) 17:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
I have restored the section per WP:BRD. Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Article guidelines is complete nonsense and not a reflection or consensus nor practice. It is an essay to describe one user's preference. It holds no merit over the content of this article or any other. ✗plicit 10:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
@Explicit Apologies for linking to that essay without verifying through the project's talkpage and its archives beforehand as it seem relevant to the question asked and also because it's under WP:KOREA which I thought it's okay. I would suggest that essay be removed from WP:KOREA#Resources since it's misleading or maybe move it to that user's (essay creator) userspace as it's under the Wikipedia space currently. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm still not sure I agree with the inclusion of this section, at least not as it currently stands. As I previously noted, much of the information has already been stated in the history section, making it redundant in my opinion. I also don't think it's entirely accurate to describe members undertaking military service as inactive—it's not really that straightforward. There are many instances of the members releasing content while enlisted; for example, Superstar (EP) was released following Taemin's enlistment. Artemisia (talk) 20:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Artemisialufkin, the current section is redundant. It doesn't have information about the members besides their military leaves, which is already in the History section, and the timeline is not useful for a group that does not have a lot of line-up changes. I have seen other articles using it to list sub-units, but Shinee doesn't have any. It also would be redudant to talk about the members in it, as they all already have their individual pages. ViSampaio (talk) 23:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
The current system succinctly and efficiently lists all the members in one section with their roles. It is short, simple, and made available in an incredibly practical form. Why should the readers be forced to read the entire article if they're specifically trying to find this information? Even worse, why should they be forced to navigate to five separate pages to find this information? How is this helpful? Articles like The Beatles and Destiny's Child clearly show that listing all the members, even if they all have articles, is the norm.
I don't particularly care for timelines, so I have no opinion regarding that matter. ✗plicit 09:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
You are right, I did not think of it this way. It would be useful to have their roles listed, I will try to find a proper and current source on this since it's not as clear who does what as it is on a band that plays instruments. What about the intro paragraph? I think it is useful to mention Jonghyun's death here, but the military service periods seem unnecessary. The group was/is not doing any activity while any member is away, so there is no absence to be explained. ViSampaio (talk) 13:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2022

Can use the group photo from 4 members to 5 members, where all original members are there? Aditi 07 17 (talk) 17:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2022

Change the cover image for one with the 5 members of the group.

+ the legend of the actual cover image isn't right : it's "SHINee", with 4 capital letters. Awrel05 (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done - Kim Jong-hyun died 5 years ago - the image is of the current group - Arjayay (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello,
First, I'm sorry if my request sounded rude, I didn't intend it to be understood that way.
Second, I understand that this request is quite specific, but I would like the Wikipedia page to reflect the reality of the group, that is to say that, officially speaking, Jonghyun is still a part of the group. The company SM Entertainment kept his name on the official page of the group (as you can see it here), so we can't say he is a "past member" or not a member anymore. The members of the group themselves have been repeating for the past five years that they are still five and insisted on that point through their instagram accounts.
In addition to that, the picture used is from May 2018, it would not make a big difference to use a picture from 2017 as a reference.
I know this is a sensitive issue, but this is an important symbol for the group, and the least we can do is to respect their will.
Lastly, as I said, there is a misspelling in the name of the group, which is "SHINee", with four capital letters. "Shinee" is incorrect, because their official name is based on the English and Korean pun of mixing "SHINE" with the Korean suffix "ee", as you may know it. So, the correct and official name is "SHINee". This is a reference problem I saw in the different versions of this page. I understand that the "Jonghyun issue" (I would say) is quite difficult to understand, but this misspelling error in particular must be corrected. This may look like a detail to some people, but this is an official name, so Wikipedia must be coherent.
Thank you very much for your important contribution to Wikipedia and to this page. You did an amazing work, and I know how much time it takes. Your contribution is precious.
Have a nice day! Awrel05 (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
The reality is that Johnghyun is dead. Him being considered a member is purely sentimental at this point. The group continue to promote as four, there is no reason for the image to be changed. There are multiple threads on this in the archives that you can read through if you'd like. As for the styling of the name, Wikipedia does not use styling. Alex (talk) 20:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Jonghyun death in first paragraph

Not sure if it's necessary to include how Jonghyun died at all in the first paragraph, but if it is to state how, please could this be changed to "died by suicide" rather than "committed suicide"? The word 'commit' implies that suicide is a sin or a crime, reinforcing the stigma around this way of dying, whereas neutral phrasing like "died by suicide" helps to remove the shame element. 82.24.198.20 (talk) 16:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Poirot09 (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

The Members

Hi I don't want to come of as rude, but Jonghyun is not a past member. The members themselves have said that he always has been and always will be a part of SHINee. I find it disrespectful to do the opposite. I hope someone sees this so it can be changed. 🙏 Jjongieslovely (talk) 05:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done and won't be done. This is not a tribute page and we base our articles on facts, not sentiment. He died nearly six years ago, so, whatever the band say, he cannot be a member. This has been discussed before, please see the archives. - Arjayay (talk) 10:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
I know this isn't a tribute page. It is a fact that Jonghyun is still a part of SHINee though. So truly I dont understand why you wouldn't keep it factual. At this point is blatant disrespect for the group. Jjongieslovely (talk) 23:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024

It's supposed to say : Onew - hiatus On the list of members.he is on indefinite hiatus though still a member 176.105.144.164 (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2024

Chang Shinee to it's proper name "SHINee" 124.217.22.78 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: there's a Manual of Style we use here in Wikipedia. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 04:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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