Talk:Sasuke (TV series)/Archive 1

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Shortening the page

In order for people to not be overwhelmed by the shear size of the article, I would suggest to create links to view the maps of the stages, and only have the brief description of them. Also it would be nice to have the picture of the G4 Ninja warrior so it doesn't look like just text.

Please rename article to Sasuke

The original program is called Sasuke, not Ninja Warrior. Could someone with a login please change it? See the Takeshi's Castle/MXC article for a similar discussion. It could be named "Sasuke (television program)", "Sasuke (game show)", "Sasuke (obstacle course)", "Sasuke (variety show)", ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.153.176.13 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Done. --Mooooorad 06:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Every letter ought to be fully capitalized: SASUKE. Not only is this the official title; it would not need a parenthetical description. --Diluvial 16:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Upon further reasearch, I take that back. Read: WP:MOS-JP#Capitalization of English words The Wikipedia standard is for titles like this to not be in all caps. --Diluvial 00:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The WP:TV-NAME Manual of Style entry states that the parenthetical disambiguity should be "(TV series)", "(game show)", or "(TV program)". In the Move suggestion thread, I suggested "(TV series)". --Diluvial 00:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

looks like Kunoichi is on USA as well

They just had an all female episode of Ninja Warrior and you can see the word KUNOICHI in the backround. It appears G4 is counting Kunoichi and Sasuke as one show and will be alternating between the two under the same name (except women will be called the women's only Ninja Warrior it seems). someone please make a page for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.57.226 (talk) 15:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Its called Women of Ninja Warrior. They must have switched since G4 would be on the same season as Japan with SASUKE Spring 2007. They are probably waiting for SASUKE Autunm or Winter 2007 to come out. But I agree that there should be a Kunoichi inside the English SASUKE Article. (76.197.237.178 04:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC))

Not inside. It's better off having its own: Kunoichi (TV series) The Sasuke article is getting too big already. --Diluvial 00:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Episode List / Competition Years

Does anybody have a list or some data by which to match up the episodes on G4 with the years they were original held in? Sweetfreek 06:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

In the middle of the Japanese Sasuke page they have the names and numbers of the people who went the farthest in that particular year. Click on the 3rd item of the table of contents. On the bottom of the page are the TV ratings for that particular year. The dates following are the airdates (the show is taped). Hope that helps. Lostinube 11:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fix disambiguation pages

To uphold Wikipedia's standardizations, this article ought to be on a proper disambiguation page -- one named "Sasuke (disambiguation)", not simply "Sasuke". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.153.176.13 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Concerning spoilers...(and other things)

Since the article is now about the Japanese show Sasuke rather than the G4 version I'm assuming that it's okay to add in relevant and up-to-date information about the show (hence my inclusion of Makoto Nagano's name). If it's not then please feel free to add a spoiler something or other to the information.

Also, Sasuke is now it's own article in the Japanese Wikipedia and so I changed the link but did not update the translation. Someone can add that back on if they want to. Lostinube 13:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Learn from the changes made to articles of other international game shows. (Takeshi's Castle, Whose Line Is It Anyway?, Weakest Link, Wheel Of Fortune, Jeopardy!, Hey! Spring of Trivia, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?, American Idol, ...).

As for the translation, what is the difference between Sasuke and Muscle Ranking Series? Are there other tournaments like Sasuke on the Muscle Rakning Series page, or what? -- 72.153.176.13 21:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Muscle Ranking Series was a TV show on TBS that featured various different types of sports challenges (target soccer kicking, bicycle obstacle courses etc). Sasuke, it's female version Kunoichi and the New Year's program Sportsman No.1 were all off-shoots of the show. Info for Kunoichi and Sportsman No. 1 are also in the Muscle Ranking article and all that info is quite unwiedly. The actual Muscle Ranking Series is no longer on the air whereas Sasuke is still on-going. The Japanese Wikipedia always tries to include as many up-to-date statistics as possible so it makes sense that someone decided to split Sasuke into it's own page. In short, one (Muscle Ranking Series) is a link to a show that is still relevant but no actually on the air and the other (Sasuke) is a seasonal special that has no end in sight. Lostinube 23:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Did 1,400 people attempt stage one?

I noticed that Potara removed the statement, "Since 1997, over 1,400 individuals have attempted the first stage of the Sasuke tournament." What merited its removal? Was the statement incorrect? -- 72.153.176.13 21:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The number came from G4's press release, and it's probably the sum of all the different competitions held. Sweetfreek 06:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but was it incorrect? Empirical data seems worthy of being encyclopedic content to me. If it's only partly incorrect, a simple re-wording might clarify it. -- 72.153.176.13 01:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Every single competition (18 in total) has had 100 people in it so in fact the total is 1,800. The press release you are refering to is inncorrectly quoted, it actually said 1,700. Now that the 18th competition has passed the total is 1,800. --Qwertyuiopmaster

many people attempted the course more than once. necessarily, fewer than 1,800 have therefore attempted the course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.231.96 (talk) 03:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Clear stage 4

according to the article "Only two men have ever achieved this outstanding task, Kazuhiko Akiyama and Makoto Nagano." am I to assume one of them is from this year. The reason I ask. I have Tivo'd the series and as I am watching it, it mentions one contestant being the Only to finish it. So either the other name is this years winner or something is wrong in the TV translation or I'll see one of them win at the end of the series.

I am the one who included the extra information. I don't know which particular Sasuke is being shown on G4 right now but I am basing results on what has already been broadcast in Japan as of right now. And if people look at the Japanese Wikipedia page the results are clearly shown for every year. Lostinube 06:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

G4 showed the summer and winter ones from 05 so I assume the next winner must have been this year. Wish they would have showed that rather than last years. Thanks for the reference to the Japan page though the kanji (sp) characters make it hard or me to read :-) --63.163.213.245 00:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, it's March now and I saw Nagano, the second guy to finish it, win it months ago. However, they still continue to say only one person has beaten it. 69.148.177.179 23:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The G4 episodes are from older competitions. The episodes are new to America, not to Japan. Please use 4 tildes (~~~~) to sign your posts. --Diluvial 23:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I understand these are old episodes, but aren't the ones that were shown months ago even older than the episodes presently shown? It appears as if either they are not counting Nagano or they are showing 'new' episodes which are in fact older than 'old' episodes. 69.148.177.179 23:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The episodes are being shown out of order. Right now G4 is apparently (I say apparently because I don't watch G4) showing episodes of competitions from prior to the 17th (when Nagano finished it). Because G4 retains the original commentary for the play-by-play they wouldn't be mentioning anyone else finishing it because at that time no one else had finished it. 222.14.150.51 22:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Result List

I added a results list. I know it may look a bit odd but that was the best I could do. If anyone else can figure out a better way to do it you're welcome to. Lostinube 12:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, can someone double check the names since someone already noticed I misspelled Kane Kosugi's name. *Hangs head in shame* Lostinube 03:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

G4 just finished airing the 15h competition - they showed that Yamamoto Shingo and Morgan Hamm both made it to stage three, though they aren't listed in the results list (Yamamoto failed on the Body Prop, while Morgan fell off the Curtain Cling). As I'm EXTREMELY new to Wikipedia I'm not comfortable changing anything just yet, so if someone could verify if I'm correct and make the necessary adjustments I would appreciate it. Curlio 13:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

10th (Contestant Numbers) and 18th (Konpira Maru) Competitions

In the 10th Competition they changed the numbering. Rather than going from 1 to 100 they went from 901 to 1000. As of right now there has been no 18th Competition aired on TV in Japan. Furthermore, Konpira Maru is the name of Nagano Makoto's boat, not a person. Lostinube 02:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Actualy if you want to be really nit-picky, Nagano's boat is the 28th Konpira Maru [[User:RiderLeangle|RiderLeangle] 03:38, 14 August 2007

At the time I made this comment someone had put in the name Konpira Maru as the finisher of the 18th competition. Not really being nit-picky, just trying to be accurate. Lostinube 12:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Move suggestion

I'd like to suggest moving this article to SASUKE because that (with all caps) seems to be the correct name of the show, not Sasuke. SASUKE is currently a redirect to this article. Any thoughts on this? --Geniac 17:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Romanized titles or names are often written in all-caps in Japan. Take Naruto, for instance. The American company that licensed it simply anglicised the capitalization. SASUKE, however, was given a new name ("Ninja Warrior") when licensed in America. Until G4 decides to name it "Sasuke", and because it is internationally televised, its all-caps romanization will remain the official title. Are there any other articles with this predicament? (All-caps titles that aren't anglicised?) If G4 ever chooses the romanized title, the article might have to be moved back here. --Diluvial 00:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Could we agree to move it to Sasuke (game show) per WP:TV-NAME? --Geniac 19:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest Sasuke (TV series). Even though I personally don't think of Sasuke as a "game show", I agree that WP:TV-NAME should take precedence. Other physical competitions such as American Gladiators, Takeshi's Castle, Nickelodeon GUTS, Legends of the Hidden Temple, and Wild and Crazy Kids are listed in the Game shows entry. At the same time, Survivor (TV series) is also listed in the entry and has the "(TV series)" disambiguation. The entry points out that, "In Japan a number of shows emerged that defy classification by most standards." Like a traditional game show, Sasuke rewards a prize (in cash) to the winning contestants. The only qualm I have is that a "game show" is usually presented weekly or daily in a 60 or 30-minute format, not yearly or seasonally. This could be debated since its format changed when broadcast in the US, but this article is not named "Ninja Warrior". Debate could also be held over whether Sasuke is "episodic", thereby clearly constituting a "series". While it may not air in regular intervals, the contestants' personal struggles and history grow with their every appearance.

Is Sasuke a game show? Is it a series? WP:TV-NAME suggests using "(TV series)" for ambiguous episodic shows or "(TV program)" for non-episodic shows. I suggest "(TV series)" because Sasuke is produced for television and is a competition with prizes, but it is debatably episodic and does not air in regular time intervals. As for the capitalization, the Manual of Style specifies that the title is not to be written in all caps.

--Diluvial 23:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Very good points. Given the style and format of the show, I now agree with Sasuke (TV series). --Geniac 06:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Broadcast

Judging from the behind the scenes clip on G4's website the March 19th episode is probably of the Spring 2007 Sasuke (I can't verify this as I'm in Japan and don't get G4) -- it looks like maybe G4 and TBS are working together? Whichever way it is, I'd like to clarify that the March 21st show on TBS is the competition in more or less its entirety shown during a three hour block (it's not live obviously and some people get clipped out for time constraints although all eliminations are shown). This also means that there will be results from fans in Japan, possibly well before G4 finishes this particular run. Should they be posted? They'll probably be up on the Japanese Wikipedia page. I put up the results from the 17th competition before it was broadcast in the US because there was some confusion as to which season was being shown. But now it looks like G4 and TBS are in sync with each other. Lostinube 14:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Three hours, you say? That would be good to add.... As for the spoilers, ~~surround them all, including results from years ago, in a big block with a spoiler warning.~~ (done) --Diluvial 00:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Diluvial. Info added. Also, it seems like everyone was wrong and Japan will still be the first to air the 18th competition (March 21st). Judging from people's reactions on the G4 Ninja Warrior message board and elsewhere the show aired last night was an earlier contest. I don't get G4 (I'm in Japan) but from what I've read, it sounds like the show on the 19th was one from anywhere between 2001 and 2003. Lostinube 00:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Stages

I just finished watching the 18th competition. We're going to have change all of stage one, stage two and parts of stage three. Or should we make a separate 2007 section? Lostinube 12:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Since the courses often change with every broadcast, I think a distinction would be necessary; not only for 2007 but for all the times the courses have changed (for every broadcast). --Diluvial 18:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

In the end, I think maybe after G4 has broadcast as many of the past competitions as possible the show should be split into separate articles for each year (as opposed to each competition). The reason I wanted to break 2007 off is that it seems like by naming the 18th as Shin-SASUKE, the producers are trying to show a difference between what came before and the new era. Whereas previous competitions had only a few obstacles tweaked each time the 18th is the first time in recent memory that a stage has changed completely. Several mainstay obstacles in the later stages (the Lifting Walls in stage 2 and the Body Prop in stage 3, both of which have been around since at least 2002) have also been dropped. Lostinube 23:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave everyone a list of what has been taken out

Sextuple Step, Rolling Log, Warped Wall*, Jump Hang+, Circle Slider, Bridge Of Blades, Rope Climb, Log Slope, Chain Reaction, Brick Climb, Spider Walk+, Balance Tank, Wall Lift, Body Prop, Curtain Cling#, Devil's Swing, and Pipe Slider.

Warped Wall has been modified to a larger size and has a rope to climb up hanging above from it.

+ The Jump Hang & Spider Walk have been put together as and is now called Jumping Spider.

The Curtain Cling has been divided into 4 shorter, orange curtains and is now called the curtain swing.--Supasta 20:52, 24 June 2007.

Curtain Swing "shorter" or "narrower" than the Cling?

I have not seen the 18th competition. The current text in the article says the Swing curtains are "shorter" than the Cling. Does that mean "shorter" as in vertically shorter or as in "narrower"? Whichever the case, I'd like to specify it in the article. --Diluvial 01:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Basically they mean the large curtain used in the Curtain Swing has been replaced by four curtains which are narrower but not necessarily shorter. It's hard to determine whether or not the total distance is the same. I couldn't figure out a better way to word it so I just removed the part about the shorter curtains. If anyone can word it better, go ahead and edit it in. Lostinube 19:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the exact height of the curtains used in the 18th competition, but i'm pretty sure that by looking at it, they were all smaller than the original one curtain used in the curtain cling. Supasta 20:22, 24 June 2007

2007

At least from me, any edits about 2007 are based on watching the version of SASUKE aired in Japan on March 21st, 2007. I realize that G4 is advertising past competitions as "new" episodes of Ninja Warrior. But I'm not using Ninja Warrior as a reference. Also, almost all the new obstacles have katakana names, thus unlike before there will be less ambiguity (and less reliance on G4) when it comes to naming obstacles. Lostinube 19:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ninja Warrior All-Stars vs SASUKE All-Stars

Has G4 designated a group as the Ninja Warrior All-Stars as is stated in the Participants section? In Japan, TBS has designated the following men as the SASUKE All-Stars: Akiyama Kazuhiro, Nagano Makoto, Yamada Katsumi, Takeda Toshihiro, Yamamoto Shingo and Shiratori Bunpei. The show has established that all the men are friends outside of the competition: the 17th competition had clips of them training together and there was a one hour special about them in Japan after the 17 competition. Lostinube 04:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

If no one is going to comment on this, I'm taking out everything after the first paragraph. This is an article about the Japanese TV show, not the G4 version. Perhaps Ninja Warrior needs to be split off into it's own article or there needs to be a section highlighting the differences between the two shows. Lostinube 12:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

G4 has only designated the same 6 as All-Stars - Akiyama Kazuhiro, Nagano Makoto, Yamada Katsumi, Takeda Toshihiro, Yamamoto Shingo and Shiratori Bunpei. The others named under the participants section are just "regulars" for lack of a better word. It is the same show - period. There's no need to highlight any differences because I don't think there are any outside the subtitles and voiceover guy. Curlio 03:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. The way it was worded made it sound like all the people listed were "All-Stars" and so I thought that G4 had created their own group. We don't need to highlight the differences but people do need to try to stick to identifying it as just SASUKE within the article to avoid confusion. Thus I've changed the nickname of Katsumi Yamada to Mister SASUKE rather than Mister Ninja Warrior (which doesn't roll off the tongue well anyway).

The confusion IS the result of G4 by the way. This week they referred to Kobayashi as an all-star in his profile clip. Since we're discussing the participants I'll ask my question here - has a female actually completed the first stage? Either this week or last week in their profile of one of the girls they said that if she completed the first stage she would be the second. This isn't the first time G4 would be wrong. If a girl made it through stage 1, that would be interesting to note in the participants section. Curlio 22:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

There has been a woman who completed the first stage. I will provide her name (but I don't know which competition though; all I know is it was during the early years of SASUKE) here later. (76.198.200.6 05:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

Someone has added the name but I do have a question: she is more commonly known by her married name Chie Tanabe but I can't find any information to verify if she was married at the time of the competition or not. Checking 田邊智恵 (Tanabe Chie) brings up more results on google than 西村智恵 (Nishimura Chie). Also, she is said to have finished the first round in the 2nd Competition but I don't have anything else to verify this other than some fan page[1]. Lostinube 17:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It was Tanabe Chie according to the translations. I should have looked for the written form of her name, but I already deleted the episode from my DVR. I apologize. If it makes any difference, she has competed on Kunoichi, they've displayed her SASUKE attempt proudly when she's been on Kunoichi. VxJasonxV (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

14th Asaoka Hiroyuki result - Prop or Cliff?

The results in the 14th competition for Asaoka Hiroyuki were changed from failing on the Body Prop to the Cliff Hanger. Which one is correct? What source was cited? --Diluvial 00:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't change it,but I seem to recall that Hiroyuki Asaoka fell on the Body Prop.Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 00:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Aproximately how much USD?

So there seems to be a thing against putting up an exact number for how much US dollars 2 million yen equates to. Is it okay to put up an approximation instead? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by InsaneZeroG (talk • contribs) 00:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Template:ToUSD looks promising, but it doesn't work yet. An approximation would need regular updating, so a date of conversion would be needed beside it and updated along with the value. That seems too tedious and easily neglectable to me. Another option would be to include an exchange rate table, but that would be very out-of-place in a TV series article. --Diluvial 18:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, to include how much it is (approx) is not unusual in many books and texts on Japan. It is always assumed that the prices reflects the day the article, or book was published, not current currency trading prices. Thus, in my opinion, it would be quite valid to put "2 million yen (approx. USD $17,000 in 2007). Those that want a more accurate reflection (i.e. up to date) can easily find currency conversion routines. But this gives a rough estimate. Provided the USD doesn't drop through the floor! Lloydsargent 19:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I was bold and added it, using the ToUSD template. It's a little buggy (with a trailing space and missing commas), but it's better than nothing. And the template can always be improved. If it's not good enough, I believe Llodsargent's proposal is good. — Alan De Smet | Talk 01:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the bugs in ToUSD. — Alan De Smet | Talk 02:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Takeda - never failed first stage?

I slightly changed the information on Toshihiro Takeda in the All-Stars section. It had read that he passed the first stage in every competition. He failed at least once (I think twice but I'm not sure of that). I just watched a repeat of the 10th Competition (Yamada was number 1000, so I'm certain of the season) - Takeda was most definitely not in the 2nd stage.Curlio 16:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Changed No. of seasons and episodes

I changed the number of seasons to 18 and the number of episodes to ??? as I don't know and I know their have been more than 19. (Rollinman 02:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

Seasons only. Sasuke doesn't have episodes, persay, since it's semiannual. Ninja Warrior is clearly split into episodes for G4, but this article is about Sasuke which airs in a full 3-hour block on TBS. I wouldn't even include an "episodes" variable. --Diluvial 03:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Midori-yama

The article doesn't yet mention Midoriyama at all. The only info I could find was unsourced discussion on forums: Google Earth Community and G4 Forums The replies are reasonable, but neither of them has sources linked to SASUKE. TBS has a studio in Aoba Ward, the north part of Midori, Yokohama, which could be the location of the set, but again, I have no confirmation either way. --Diluvial 03:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The TBS studio in question is located in Midoriyama, Aoba Ward. The Google map of the studio doesn't seem to contain the SASUKE set, so this physical location of the set remains uncomfirmed. If this is the real location, given the limited amount of available land, it's likely to be disassembled between filmings. --Diluvial 21:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed. Midoriyama Studio City, the TBS studio in Midoriyama, is the production location of SASUKE (TBS homepages such as 2005's cite the studio). To top it off, private visitors have been on the grounds and taken photos (for instance, the Great Wall during a mountain bike race). --Diluvial 23:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not the location is a hill, the official English spelling does not contain a hyphen: Official TBS info, shelter locations in Aoba Ward, and official Aoba Ward info (note URL spelling). --Diluvial 00:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Here is a roughly translated version of the page Diluvial mentioned from the google translator. In the title it says something about green mountain studio near the top. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enpitu.ne.jp%2Fusr10%2Fbin%2Fday%3Fid%3D101149%26pg%3D20070322&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools 68.39.99.22 18:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Borrowed words for obstacle names?

This may be a little off topic, but it struck me as odd that many of the obstacles have borrowed english names. "Curtain Cling", "Jump Hang", etc, when surely there are actual Japanese words for "jump", etc. Is there an explanation for this? Since this is the English Sasuke page, other English speakers might be interested as well. Perhaps there is a relevant link elsewhere in wikipedia already-- i skimmed the katakana article, which had some interesting sections about borrowed words, but still left me a little in the dark.

Also, what does "Sasuke" mean? AdamMorton 16:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The name "Sasuke" is often a passive reference to Sarutobi "Monkey Jump" Sasuke, an apparantly fictional legendary ninja. However, its intended meaning with regard to this show is, as of yet, unconfirmed. (just in case: Don't add speculation to the article.) --Diluvial 23:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It roughly translates to "Suspension" according to AltaVista. (67.182.10.151 02:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC))

I wouldn't call them "borrowed" as I have heard the Japanese announcer use the words during the broadcast. (76.197.240.187 05:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

That is what it means to be a "borrowed word". See loanword, which is a redirect from borrowed word. For Japanese specifically, see Gairaigo. The question is, why are these words borrowed, since the show and the obstacles themselves originated in Japan (i.e., they are not just using the exisiting common english phrase "Curtain Cling"), and there are surely Japanese words for "curtain" and "cling". AdamMorton 16:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I would really like to see a list of romaji for the obstacle names (here as well as for Kunoichi). If someone replies with the kana for them, I'll finish. Or is that something that's available mechanically? -- CCO von Heuring 75.141.3.208 01:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think that theres a borrowed word in the Curtain Cling except for Cling, The japanese word for Curtain is Katen which is pronounced similar. RiderLeangle 3:30, 14 August 2007

I also distinctly remember that the announcer has used the English term "Body Prop" in the third stage. Why, though, I don't know - hopefully we'll figure it out soon. --lacrymosa967 04 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.78.113 (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Obstacle/Stage article

I have an idea that we could create an article for the obstacles and stages of Sasuke, with a list of which obstacles were used in each stage on each competition. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 22:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Tournament year with respective obstacles.

The list of obstacles should not be listed as such and should be broken to tables noting that they are current. There should be linked or side table for what the specific tournament and what each stage possessed. This will show the manner in which the tournament has evolved through the years.

I think if proper table is designed for it that many would have the knowledge needed to fill the content.

Your thoughts?

I just came up with an idea, and it's semi-inspired by the spoiler warning war that has just popped up.
We can create a new page called List of Sasuke competitions. It would feature a table with each of the obstacles for each stage. For the first stage, it will just enumerate how many failed at each obstacle. From the second stage onward, it would list who failed, where and briefly how, or (for the second and final stages) how much time they had left if they passed.
Example (Second Stage, 14th Tournament):

SECOND STAGE
Chain Reaction	#89 Kitaya Motoshi (slipped on transition to second chain)
Wall Climb
Spider Walk
Balance Tank	#96 Bunpei Shiratori (slipped forward, fell off, crushed by tank)
Metal Spin
Wall Lift	#83 Paul Hamm (broke through gate without hitting button) #67 Shunsuke Nagasaki (ran out of time at first wall)
CLEARED	#76 Terakazu Ishikawa (10.4 sec) #80 Hiroyuki Asaoka #81 Naoki Iketani (11.6 sec) #87 Masāki Kobayashi (15.7 sec) #88 Kosuke Yamaguchi #91 Jordan Jotchev (2 sec) #97 Toshihiro Takeda #98 Shingo Yamamoto (3.1 sec) #100 Makoto Nagano

Thoughts? --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 01:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Obstacle Charts added

While Kitch's idea above of having pages for each competition with in-depth details like where people went out is a good one, I thought there should be a general overview of how the course changes over time. This really supplements, but does not replace, the obstacle descriptions. To this end I have added charts showing the progression of obstacles in each stage. Specific things I did for this:

First I moved the obstacle descriptions out of the Stages section and into their own section, since with both the descriptions and the charts the section was too unwieldy
The first stage chart is particularly complicated, so I color coded obstacles that occur more than once. The others seemed simple enough to leave monochrome
I moved the participants section up above the stages section, because otherwise the television infobox would restrict the available width, and the charts, especially the first stage one, need as much as they can get.
I only have info on competitions shown in America by G4.

Any comments? --Talion 03:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

According to here[2] and here[3], The Eighth Competition had the same first stage obstacles as the 9th. Lostinube 08:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

We'll know for sure today. As I have yesterday with the 2nd and 3rd Stages for the 7th, I will add this info for the 8th. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 18:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: My idea was a single page for all competitions, and a table for each stage in each competition. Though I do like the tables comparing the stage obstacles throughout the history of SASUKE, I still would like to see a separate page with results, perhaps as comprehensive as the competitors in the Second Stage each time. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 18:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we'll get enough information unless we have a Japanese translator, since the online translation sites doesn't have accurate translation. Rollinman 06:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd really like to see a fresh page for each competition with detailed results for every competitor available. I'd definitely be willing to do some work on creating the pages if you set up a format for the pages. I'm not very good at designing, but I'd be happy to make some new pages following your format.

Edit: I'd also like to mention I have every episode broadcast by G4 recorded and at my fingertips except for stage 1 of the 6th competition, and most of stage 1 of the 9th competition. Otherwise, I've got it all. --CapnSexy 20:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Another SASUKE competition?

Is their going to be another one? Doesn't SASUKE have at least 2 competitions per year? Also, why hasn't G4 showed the latest 18th competition? Rollinman 06:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The airing of SASUKE is actually not consistent. For example, 2004 only had one competition while 2005 had three. A rough guide would be usually one in Spring and one in Fall. The one thing that almost always occurs is that the show is aired between or at the end of Japanese TV drama seasons. So keep your fingers crossed at around August for news of a SASUKE in perhaps September or October. As to why G4 hasn't aired it yet despite there being G4 cameras at the competition is something you'll have to ask G4. Some say that it's due to the dubbing. No one really knows. Lostinube 08:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

They are taking entries for the 19th Competition, which is expected in September 2007. Yes, competitions happen twice a year roughly. And don't worry about G4 publishing the 18th Competition. It takes time to translate it and edit it into the Ninja Warrior format. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 14:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed "wikify", "inappropriate tone", and "Cleanup-restructure"

I've deleted the following: {{wikify|date=May 2007}}, {{inappropriate tone|article}}, and {{Cleanup-restructure|date=May 2007}} "wikify" asks that the article be wikified; it looks plenty wikified to me. "inappropriate tone" claims the article has an inappropriate tone, which is possible, but it also says, "Specific concerns may be found on the talk page." I see no specific concerns and it's not reasonable to expect other editors to guess what you think needs to be changed. "Cleanup-restructure" suggests that the article be restructured. Again, it looks pretty good to me; without some guidance on what's wrong with it it's hard to fix. If people disagree, feel free to re-add them, but be sure to note on this talk page why you feel the article isn't up to snuff and what sorts of changes might improve it. — Alan De Smet | Talk 01:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I added those templates with the summary: "Many recent edits lack correct grammar, specific wording, contain doublespeak, or contain peacock terms." There has been a rash of unencyclopedic edits often lacking or dismantling efforts toward proper style, neutrality, focused discussion, concise wording, and even simple grammar. In addition, the headings and subheadings have been reordered in a way that does not conform to an importance-based pyramidal structure of ideas; it is confusing, so I added the "please restructure" tag. The total corrections required were too numerous to list. It is more time-efficient to simply begin fixing them while providing a blanket notice to fellow (hopefully proactive) editors. I feel that the condition of the article is still horrendous. --Diluvial 01:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Specific Concerns

Tone: The article reads pseudo-fanboy writings. It is very supportive and borderline promotional for the television show.

NB {{tone}} says that specific concerns may be found on the talk page, not that they are required.

Cleanup: It hurts my eyes to read this page. That's my personal criteria for adding cleanup to any page. The tables are nice, but the sections on obstacles and results are far too listing with very very short sub sections. Sub sections are also overused throughout the article.

The article also lacks any third party reliable sources. Has Sasuke received any media attention in Japan, US, Canada, UK, Asia. If not, is it really notable?--ZayZayEM 02:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

While this does need some work to make it less "pseudo-fanboy", it is notable just as any other regular TV series aired in the English-speaking world would be for English Wikipedia. I myself am still in favor of separate articles for obstacles and competition results. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 14:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe someone (where is that guy, anyhow?) will start a wiki of fanboy-made research. It seems like a lot of media research is mostly valid, but in that tone. Or is that what talk pages are for? :-p -- CCO von Heuring 75.141.3.208 02:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Naoki Iketani in the Olympics?

I believe his brother Yukio was an Olympic gymnast who won medals in 88 and 92 but I've never seen anything that says Naoki Iketani competed in the Olympics. Do we have a source for that? Lostinube 13:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

SASUKE in Taiwan

SASUKE (read as 極限體能王 in Chinese) is aired in Taiwan on Japan Entertainment Television a tv station which shows mainly Japanese programming. It airs on Saturdays at 10:45, 16:45 and 22:00: http://www.jettv.com.tw/program/show.asp?ID=3 This also resulted in a Taiwanese version which is how Lee Enchi (sp?) made it to SASUKE in 2006: http://www.jettv.com.tw/web/variety/sasuke/taiwan.asp However, I don't know how the show is formatted; is it cut into episodes like Ninja Warrior? Are they constantly repeating the same episodes? Are there any editors based in Taiwan or Hong Kong who can shed more light on this? Thanks in advance. Lostinube 13:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Competition Confusion

I know that often the translation can be very bad on Ninja Warrior, but I can't get over the fact that they keep contradicting themselves. According to our current information only the first competition was held indoors and only 2 people completed the 1st stage. They mention during the recent broadcast that this was the first competition held outside, but they also keep mentioning that Omori and Tanaka reached the Final Stage in the last tournament, as well as that guy who plays a ninja at a theme park I can't remember the name of. It's bugging me that all this conflicting information is coming out. Anyone have any insight or proof one way or the other? --CapnSexy 14:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

We should just wait until G4 will air the 1st Tournament. Eventually, G4 will air of the Tournaments.--SuperMarioGamer 03:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, because G4 just completely skipped the 1st and went on to the 2nd. (where I lived anyway) Rollinman 06:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

G4 does not air Tournaments in the order they happened. They show some footage from the 1st Torunament seldomly. I am very sure G4 has the whole 1st Tournament and that they just need to do all the subbing and dubbing for it. I would be shocked if G4 would not air the 1st Tournament.--SuperMarioGamer 01:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

From what I saw on the 2nd Tournament on G4, it was not only 2 people who made it to the 2nd Stage. I heard a lot of "this person made it to the Final Stage last Tournament". They even had a image of someone attempting the Final Stage last Tournament, and the location did appear to be indoors. Clearly, we have the wrong information for the 1st Tournament and we will not get it until G4 will air the 1st Tournament (which they will do someday).--SuperMarioGamer 21:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

As for now, I put down for the 1st Tournament, "Information currently not avaiable at this time "--SuperMarioGamer 09:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

SASUKE/Pro Sportsman No. 1 video game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18BI8VNiGBo&NR=1

I was browsing along when I found it. Should I make mention of it?

I wouldn't mention it. its really not a video game its just like a cheap exercise pad and one of those even cheaper tv plug in games (like ddr).--Supasta 20:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Sasuke/Viking Questions

I have 2 questions. i haven't watched the show on G4TV in like 2 weeks, have they shown the 18th competition? i did know that they aired recently competitions 2, 3, and 4. Also, has japan released a sasuke or viking video game at all? if so i would like to get my hands on it.--Supasta 19:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

G4 has not yet aired the 18th Tournament, but you can watch the whole 18th Tournament on YouTube in the Japanese version. Look at the Topic above you on this discussion page and that answers yes, there is a Sasuke video game.--SuperMarioGamer 00:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget not only haven't they shown the 18th yet, they haven't shown the 1st Tournament either. Rollinman 02:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

In Japan there have been several Kinniku Banzuke (Muscle Ranking) games released over the years for the GBA, PS and PS2 but the last game was made in 2001. Some of them have SASUKE courses along with other events (from Sportsman No. 1 and other Muscle Ranking events). The most up-to-date SASUKE game that's not the TV plug in from above is the one for Japanese mobile phones but even that one is several tournaments old. Lostinube 13:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Rollinman has a point. Neither the 1st OR 18th SASUKE cometitions have been shown on G4. Also,SelfTitledAlbum,why are there no obsatcles in the 1st competitions,all that has said was "Pending". What's up with that?--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 11:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

We don't have any coverage of the 1st Competition anywhere to add information on it. SelfTitledAlbum 04:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

A bit of an inconsistency here.

Okay. Not that I'm about to go change it, but why is it that in the 18th competition we can speculate on the last two obstacles of the 3rd stage, but not on the final stage? SelfTitledAlbum 20:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

They clearly showed the last parts of the 3rd stage during the credits of the Japanese showing of the 18th competition but they never showed any close-up shots of the final stage.Lostinube 18:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

But, in a video package in the beginning AND is actually on YouTube, the last few seconds show how the stage looks. Yes, its not close up, but it should give us enough information (except exact measurements and time limit) of how it looks until someone reaches it in a future SASUKE competition (hopefully in the 19th). Rollinman 05:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Length fix?

I think that to make the article shorter, we should move the obstacle list to "List of obstacles in Sasuke (TV series)". Missingno390 22:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree with you on this, but what exactly should be moved over? The tables might be better off with the obstacle listing, same goes with the results. SelfTitledAlbum 06:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Japan Airdates for Fall 2007 Announced?

Japanese SASUKE wikipedia page has the airdate of the 19th SASUKE competition: 第19回大会 2007年　（18：55 - 20：54　9月19日放送予定。）(September 19th, 2007 6:55 to 8:54 JST) No TBS page as of yet. There is a TBS page for the 7th Kunoichi: http://www.tbs.co.jp/program/kunoichi_20070905.html and that airdate is September 5th, 2007 6:55 to 8:54 JST Lostinube 12:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Log Slope information?

There is no information about the Log Slope when I Ctrl-F'd the article. Is the name different somewhere in the article, or is the info just missing. If it is the latter, I request getting that info, since I am unable since G4 just stopped airing here.

Info appreciated, --Imhungry 13:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It was only in once, there isn't much to say about it. You're welcome to add information about it yourself if you'd like. SelfTitledAlbum 07:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Colors

A user named SelfTitledAlbum reverted my recolorings-I'm saying that if he/she can't read them,then GET A PIAR OF GLASSES!Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 13:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You have black on dark blue. It doesn't matter what glasses I may be wearing (I do by the way), that's not friendly to the eyes. I know you want it to be vibrant, which apparently means more interesting, but it hurts to look at. I'll keep it for now, but I think we should wait for someone else's vote on it. SelfTitledAlbum 16:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

With how the table is coloured right now, it's painful on the eyes to read. The softer colours are so much easier on the eyes. KennyMan666 18:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

AND IT WAS DECLARED. I'm changing them back, sorry dude. SelfTitledAlbum 18:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree with SelfTitledAlbum. There is apparently no need for more vibrant color scheme on a wikipedia page; it's not an ad banner, it needs to be convenient to read in the first place. Moozooh 18:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

OK......but do this-make the colors a bit more vibrant. They at least need to attract attention to them,while remaining easy-to-read. BTW-I recolored them to kid-like colors 'cause I'm a kid.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 12:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Much better. Now the colors grab attention,while still soft on the eyes.Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 20:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Um. I do have the clear on undoing all that crap that guy did, right? SelfTitledAlbum 12:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry. I did stages 2&3 back,and recolored them,minorly. Like it? Be honest. Xterra 1(talk)(Work) (?) 00:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the colors back to the ones after the recolorings.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 22:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I think there might have been 5 different Cliff Hangers.

We know of the first four, three even bars, two even with one elevated, one elevated then one dropped, and one elevated, sloped, shortened, then one dropped, but I was looking at the 11th Comp diagrams, and they show the three bars of the Cliff Hanger to be the same length. However, the picture displaying the difference between the 3rd and 4th renditions of CH clearly shows otherwise, the first bar is about twice as long as the other two. Think maybe they lengthened the first bar since the 11th? SelfTitledAlbum 18:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've only seen 4 types.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 00:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they screwed that up in the diagrams. SelfTitledAlbum 15:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

? I've got a bit of a question.....

I saw an early SASUKE broadcast on G4 on the 15th competition and for the Rumbling Dice it said "Rambling Dice". The announcer sounded like he said "Rumbling Dice" to me. I've always called them the Rambling Dice. I just want to make sure that "Rumbling Dice" is canon. Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 00:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Rumbling Dice. That was probably a typo. Look anywhere and everywhere else, you'll see it the other way. SelfTitledAlbum 15:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL. OK,STA. I thought so. Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 00:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

19th Sasuke 1st Stage

I know the 1st Stage Obstacles of the 19th Sasuke. Do not git rid of it but try to restore it to normal because I am not a Wikipedia expert. The Flying Chute is different from last Tournament so I decided to put a star there. If you have a better way to show its different, please do it in the better way. My source comes from the G4 Ninja Warrior Forum where somebody who participated in the Tournament gave the obstacles of the 1st Stage. Here is a link. http://forums.g4tv.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1432&tstart=0 SuperMarioGamer 17:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I restored it to normal. Please do not delete the 19th Competition 1st Stage since I gave you proof that they are the correct obstacles. SuperMarioGamer 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

"The Sextuple Step came back in place of the Rope Glider. Instead of the Bungee Bridge, they put in a Half Pipe - which requires you to run part-way diagonally up a Great Wall-type wall to then jump and grab a hanging rope to swing back to a floating landing pad. Hard to explain - so wait to see this on Tokyo's TBS station Sasuke broadcast on 9/19 at 7pm (TBS confirmed this time with me today)."

He's definitely describing the Crooked Wall, or something very similar to it. I strongly suggest we recolor the Half Pipe thing dark grey. SelfTitledAlbum 18:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I turned the Half Pipe to dark gray. SuperMarioGamer 19:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The person who told what the 1st Stage is like said the Half Pipe is probably the Crooked Wall so I changed the name to the Crooked Wall. The person also said the Great Wall is not there anymore and it is back to the Warped Wall. This information is probably mostly accurate. The whole 19th Sasuke results will come on the 19th but for now, this information is good enough. SuperMarioGamer 02:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't delete the 19th Comp 1st Stage, but thinking about it, we should probably wait until we get some actual footage of the competition, so we can make sure we have the correct stuff to put up. Self Titled Album 19:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I am so sorry for freaking out over it being deleted. I was waking up at that time. I am just really exicited that the 19th Sasuke just happened and I got information like that. There might be a mistake in the results but I believe the guy and I think most of it is right. People who go to this article might like finding out that the 19th Sasuke just happened. You are the more experienced person so you decide what is best for the article. I think that the 19th Sasuke 1st Stage should stay up. SuperMarioGamer 01:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol. Wouldn't exactly call that freaking out. Either way the results will be up in less than a week... eh, I don't see the harm in putting them up. It's semi-verified anyway. It would be nice if they modified the Crooked wall though, maybe it actually is a half-pipe now. Self Titled Album 02:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it is the Half Pipe. The wall starts at the floor, and curves up to the ceiling. The rope jump goes backwards, as far as I can tell. http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVKaKnOlqPM Unfortunately, there's a couple of minor spoilers in this, so don't watch if you don't want to know yet. It's a ten second commercial for the new Sasuke, and it shows two the new obstacles and the Salmon Ladder. Self Titled Album 04:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

STA,that was the Spider Flip,the second one.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 02:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Coloring

Hey-I recolored the diagrams. Any qualms?--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 20:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's better that they match the color in the tables. Self Titled Album 02:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else? BTW-STA,I recolored them,so it's easier to differentiate the obsatcles. I'll recolor the Jumping Spider teal.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 02:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

19th Competition Results

Sorry if people get spoiled by it but the competition just aired and I've added the results. They have changed the course and the name (in Katakana) of the obstacle you were debating about earlier is the Half-Pipe Attack (ハーフパイプアタック). You have to run up a curved wall and grab a rope to the safe area. Lostinube 13:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh man. Most disappointing results ever. I'm so... um... damn, I don't know what I'm feeling. It's not good though. Thanks for the update though. Self Titled Album 19:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh.....NO ONE MADE IT PAST THE SECOND STAGE?! WHAT?!?! (panting heavily) Jeez..--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 02:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

#20

So, any date set for the next competition? I have a feeling that due to the results of this past competition they're gonna have it fairly soon. Well, I'm hoping at least. Self Titled Album 00:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I am pretty sure the next competition will be done in the 1st Quarter of 2008. I just do not imagine it happening in 2007. I also find unlikely that they are going to wait long for the next one. I will say either February, March or April with March most likely. SuperMarioGamer 04:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The Mountain Climb

Hey,i was watching the 2nd competition,and about the Mountain Climb,I heard the announcer call it "Brick Climbing" and the subtitles said "Rock Climb". What gives?--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 20:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, you know those guys at G4. They're not exactly the best at translating properly. Or editing to make sure stuff is consistent. Or making sure the right feeling comes across. I mean Nagano cried in his interview at the top of the tower after climbing it. G4 cut that, saying he said he felt great and that was about it. They're all idiots. Self Titled Album 05:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

But...I heard the Japanese announcer call it "Brick Climbing".--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 14:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Can Someone Tell Me About Certain Results Of The 19th Competition?

Just want to know if anyone does, where did our Sasuke All Stars Go? No One Did Very Good, which is sad, i just want to know which of the 6 participated and where they failed.

Supasta 17:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

These are the All-Star results from the TBS airing.

#81 Yamamoto Shingo - Failed Jumping Spider
#82 Shiratori Bunpei - Time Up Flying Chute
#91 Yamada Katsumi - Failed Jumping Spider
#96 Toshihiro Takeda - Time Up Flying Chute
#100 Nagano Makoto - Failed Flying Chute
Akiyama did not participate.

Lostinube 01:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

thank you, but that is very dissapointing.

Looks like akiyama might not particpate anymore.

Supasta 17:47, 29 Spetember 2007 (UTC)

Hey,hey,ho,ho,wait!

The 1st comp's obstacles for stage 1 are incorrcet. In a clip on "Ninja Warrior",I saw the Barrel Climb. What gives? Sincerely,Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 22:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

http://home.comcast.net/~blkpanther85/database.htm
I'll go ahead and fix it, the entire first stage is there. No idea what the Needle Walk is though. Self Titled Album 22:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

WTF?! That was.....weird......--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 15:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Could This Possibly Be The Asscending Climb?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVKaKnOlqPM

on the final obstacle of that video, there is shown an obstacle that seems to be from the 3rd stage, that no one reached in the competition. Could it possibly be the asscending climb?

Supasta 15:52, 07 October 2007 (UTC)

The obstacle shown is not the Ascending Climb. The name they gave at the end of the show is Devil Steps (デビルステップス). The obstacle I think you're talking about is the センディングクライマ (Sending Climber) which is a short upside down indoor mountain climbing wall that leads to a plank. Lostinube 09:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure? I thought that was the Spider Flip.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(?) 13:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The plank leads directly to the Spider Flip. There is a gap between the horizontal plank and the vertical plank. They showed a shot of the gap and labeled it the Spider Flip but we never got to see anyone try it so I'm not totally clear on how it works.Lostinube 14:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The Spider Flip is the last part of the Heartbreaker. There are two parts to this. First off, the frame of this... y'know what, a YouTube video is going to give an idea a hell of a lot better than I could do in mere written language.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=50YPhbj-hnw Also, look at the Rope Maze, it's pretty interesting if you haven't seen it.

Self Titled Album 07:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

They've been intergrating a lot of the old VIKING obstacles for use in SASUKE. I'm pretty sure the Pole Maze uses the same maze part from the Rope Maze. For the Sending Climber into the Spider Flip imagine the Heartbreaker with a short upside down indoor mountain climbing wall instead of the first three planks. That's what it looks like anyway. Lostinube 15:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that, and yeah, I've seen what the Spider Flip itself looks like. And no, they didn't use the same maze for the Rope Maze and Pole Maze. This is mainly because for the first half of the PM, you need your momentum to bring the pole up to the halfway point, while in the second half your weight brings you back down the other side. If they had something to stop momentum in the first half the obstacle would be ridiculous. I don't know if it's just me, but I like the Rope Maze more. Self Titled Album 18:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Any qualms?

I want to ask,does anyone have any qualms about my new recolorings? If so,tell me on my talkpage.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 20:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Nah, seems good to me. You've been doing a good job keeping up with it. While I was orignally going for the ideal of having as few colors as possible, with the variety of obstacles they've had over the years ('cept for the 3rd stage as of the 19th, it's like every single obstacle is the same), it's really not feasible, your way works out better. Is there a way we can protect the 13th Comp Jump Hang? Self Titled Album 04:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. I wouldn't think we could protect a single frame.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 11:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Two official requests

1.I would request that this article be semiprotected. 2.Also,I request that the tags at the beginning of the article be removed-clearly no one is noticing them.

Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 22:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

A name change

Hey,on the Final Stage,people might confuse that Rope Climb with the First Stage's Rope Climb. I will change that to "Final Rope" with an asterisk saying,"The true title is the Rope Clmb. The name "Final Rope" is for clarification.--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 17:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say just leave it, it's the same thing with the Jump Hang [13] and the Hill Climb [12]. You could just put an asterisk and say it's different from the Rope Climb in the 1st Stage. Self Titled Album 18:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: Heh, actually, maybe we could put the [13] and [12] on the respective obstacles to clarify in the chart. Sound good to you? Self Titled Album 18:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Good idea!--Xterra 1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 20:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The Red coloring

Hey,guys,I found a red that better fits our diagrams. The hexcode is:#f57979.--Xt 1T W ?S 22:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)PS-It's me,Xterra1,but with a new sig.

Final Stage

Well,guys,it looks like we're currently SOL on the Final Stage from comp 18 and on. I sincerely hope that Nagano pulls it off again and we can start viciously adding.--Xt e r r a1 21:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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The beginning tags

I've removed the tags from the start of the article.--Xt e r r a1 22:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Koji Yamada v. Yasushi Yamada

I'm just plumb connfused. I've alays heard him called Yasushi,how is it Koji? Is it an error?--Xt e r r a1 18:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the confusion arises because the kanji for his given name - 康司 - can be read in three different ways - Koji, Yasushi and Yasuji. It's possible that the TBS announcers made an error the first time he appeared and read it as Yasushi but I just re-watched the 19th competition and they clearly call him Koji. Lostinube 06:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh,I get it. It is all 3,but often called Koji. Sould we change it to Yasushi for clarification,because he's always called "Yasushi" on G4?--Xt e r r a1 17:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I've never watched the G4 broadcasts -- who is calling him Yasushi? The Japanese announcers or is it in the English commentary/subtitles? He (Yamada) doesn't have a Japanese wikipedia page which would give the name in hiragana next to the kanji and I don't really have any other source than what I hear on the TBS broadcasts. I know that when I first put up the results list I possibly listed him as both Yasushi and Koji or something like that because I couldn't get a definitive answer. Lostinube 21:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's just keep it as Koji.--Xt e r r a1 13:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is about the Japanese TBS Broadcast of Sasuke, not G4's Ninja Warrior. If TBS calls him Koji Yamada, then Koji is the right name. SuperMarioGamer 20:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Ascending Climb?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVKaKnOlqPM I found this video about SASUKE/Ninja Warrior. Now, in 19, we saw nobody made it past the second stage. But in 0:07-0:10, we see a contestant fail an obstacle that may very well be the "Acsending Climb" obstacle. Rollinman (talk) 03:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

That obstacle is not the Ascending Climb -- TBS has it labeled as the Devil Steps. These are some stills of the new obstacles for the third stage --

Descending Lamp Grasper (下りランプグラスパー)[4], Devil Steps (デビルステップス) [5], Sending Climber (センディングクライマー) [6], Spider Flip (スパイダーフリップ) [7], Final Ring (ファイナルリング) [8], Lostinube (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it okay to use these stills on the main page? Or should we wait until someone reaches them. Rollinman (talk) 15:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

They probably won't change any of them if no one can reach them so it would probably be OK.

Also, here are some stills for the new 2nd stage obstacle, the Skywalk [9] and the new Wall Lift [10] Lostinube (talk) 08:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool,guys,but you saw what happened to the pictures in this article. Damned if Betacommandbot hadn't started all this s&)^ up,we wouldn't have lost those pics.--Xt e r r a1 15:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Rules are the rules. This is wikipedia's sandbox and we are just playing in it. The bot never said that the picture was outright improper to use, just that it didn't have the proper write-up. Lostinube (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk Page Archive

Can someone archive this talk page? It's getting a bit too long. I'd do it myself but I don't trust myself to do it correctly. And whoever does it can remove this message. Perhaps archive everything from before the 19th competition? Thanks in advance. Lostinube (talk) 12:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Is Shunsuke Nagasaki Officially an All-Star?

He is listed under the All-Stars heading but was it confirmed on TV? And not by G4. The Japanese Wiki has taken the stance that it is uncertain at this time. Plus during the TBS broadcast I'm pretty sure he was not included as part of the group. I realize that this is going to cause some arguments but since it seems like people on the web often look at this page for information so I'd just like to hear from the rest of you. Lostinube (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Well Shunsuke Nagasaki is very well known on Sasuke. He is also probably more talented than all the other All-Stars (besides Makoto Nagano). If I were to chose All-Stars, he would definitely be one. SuperMarioGamer (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no doubting his ability and success but the contributers of Wikipedia don't decide who the All-Stars are, TBS does. I would just like to know if anyone has any proof that he is part of the TBS-derived group. Lostinube (talk) 06:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am definitely positive that the TBS announcer called him an All-Star during the 19th competition, however the announcer has made prior mistakes, and he was only mentioned as an All-Star that one time. To be fair though, Shunsuke has been mentioned to be on his way as an All-Star in previous competitions, especially during the 18th when they mentioned that he'll be part of a new generation of All-Stars. Still, other than that one time, there has been no other mention of him being an All-Star. I guess we'll just have to wait until the next competition to see whether or not it was an official declaration; if they mention him being an All-Star a second time, then I guess it's official. For now, I don't think there's anything wrong with leaving him in the All-Stars section, since he was mentioned to be one, despite it only being one time. However, since it was only mentioned that one time, I see how others would think otherwise, so I won't argue with that since I'm not officially sure myself. DarkAngel^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 06:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

During what portion of the TBS broadcast did they say he was an All-Star? I know that during his run in the 19th competition the announcer kept mentioning the All-Stars but I think that that was more because Takeda had just failed on the Warped Wall and none of the All-Stars had made it to the 2nd stage at that point (since Nagano hadn't gone yet). I always had the feeling since the 17th that they were touting Shunsuke as more of a rival or threat to the All-Stars rather than an All-Star. I'll check again but I hadn't heard anything definitive when I re-watched it.Lostinube (talk) 09:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't be sure since I can't rewatch or anything, but I'm pretty positive it was an indirect comment. Since you seem to be able to, I'm curious as to what the announcer exactly said between Shunsuke finishing the Pole Maze and before he jumps the Jumping Spider. Although, I do remember the start of the sentence being "Nagasaki Shunsuke, All Stars hajimete no Clear no....(something)." In that alone, I think the announcer roughly says "will Nagasaki Shunsuke be one of the first All-Stars to Clear". Still, I'm curious as to what that last word was cause it can possibly change the meaning of the sentence. So, if you can, thanks ^_^. DarkAngel^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 04:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounded like "Nagasaki Shunsuke, All-Stars hajimete no clear wa naruka?" which translates roughly to what you said. I have an mp3 of it here[11]. That would be proof for. Proof against is that after Mr. SASUKE and Takeda didn't clear there was a graphic saying All-Stars 0 for 3[12] and 0 for 4[13] repsectively. There was no corresponding graphic for Shunsuke plus no other mentions of him being an All-Star. I don't know. Maybe we should just let it stay until the next competition? Lostinube (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Summary Style

This article could use a good dose of Summary Style--ZayZayEM (talk) 10:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

What is an All Star?

I'm asking this more as a question to prompt an answer on the page, more than to just get an answer for myself. I've been watching the G4 broadcasts for a few weeks now, and I see a number of people eventually labeled as All Stars. The page here lists who qualifies, but makes no mention of precisely what this term means, how one acquires it, etc. I would think that it would be a very useful addition to the page to have some information on the meaning of the term, etc. I see offhand comments on the talk page here about it somehow being assigned by TBS, but a more specific explanation would IMHO be very useful for the page. - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a little like a 'hall of fame' thing, where there isn't any specific requirement to get into the list of all-stars, but you'll know if someone is worthy of being in it. To start with, though, all of the six are (or at least were) regulars of the competition, and all of them at least passed the first stage more than a few times and the second at least a few. Self Titled Album 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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