Talk:Results of the 2024 South African general election

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Unnecessary fork[edit]

@Ornithoptera I really don't think this fork of 2024 South African general election is necessary — we've had the entire results of the elections all inside a section for the 2024 South African general election article, the 2019 South African general election, the 2014 South African general election, (which is a GA) etc. and it has worked fine. I was going to tag this for A10 initially but I thought I'd wait to make sure you agree. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Important Chat Term talk 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I appreciate your input on the matter and I'm certain that this could be worked out through discussion. I'm not entirely sure as to what A10 is so apologies on that matter. I was being WP:BOLD and following the example of Results of the 2023 New Zealand general election and a couple other articles which tend to push more detailed results into a separate article for accessibility purposes. There's not a unified style of going about this so if this is unnecessary that's fair but from how it stands at the moment, it is quite a dense article with a large amount of charts. It may be ideal to separate them for ease of navigation. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A10 is a speedy deletion criterion for an article which duplicates an existing topic. I see why you may wanted to have split it from the 2024 elections article, but the article itself is only 6,000 words, not really in need of a split, and as I said the 2014 South African general election article got all the way to good article status without splitting out the results section, suggesting that maybe it would be better to have all the results centralized to one place. I know there's no exact guideline or consensus for whether or not to make these results articles for elections, but I think here, based off the past election articles, it would be better not to do so. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 20:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the one distinction, and correct me if I am wrong, but this is the sole article of the three provided with the regional results correct? I don't see the regional ballot results in the 2014 or 2019 elections. The main article still has the table with the summary of results, which is the same for the other two articles, but the more detailed results (including national and regional ballots) can be here. The size itself is not the concern, but the space that is taken up by several of the tables does make it difficult to navigate between the provincial ballots, national results, and provincial elections. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is, and it does seem somewhat weird that the regional results would be added to the 2024 article, but not at all to any of the previous election articles. I don't really think we even need the regional results then, as they seem to have been excluded from those past election articles likely due to redundancy. If you insist on including the regional results though, I would suggest changing this article to be solely about those results to standardize the 2024 election article with the others. The navigational issue you raised can also be solved by simply clicking on different parts of the table of contents on the left side, it's never been much of an issue for me. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If possible, I would like to have a couple other individuals' input on the matter. I've left a comment on the main talk page and hopefully we can get a discussion going. So far it does seem to be the two of us and I don't entirely feel certain that there would be a good consensus either way from this.

I do want to key you in on several other articles which serve a similar purpose, such as the Results of the 2024 Indonesian Regional House of Representatives election article, just to note that there is a precedent. I do hope we can come to a conclusion that would work out for the betterment of the article! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying those type of result articles exist, I just don't think it's really necessary here, and with the Indonesia article you mentioned, it seemed to have been a much bigger or more covered election such that there could be enough tables and length to justify the split that was made to create the article you mentioned. But yes, I agree we should see what other editors think. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure this counts as a fork. It's detail that we wouldn't want to include in the main article, isn't it? These large tables would make the main article harder to navigate, I'd think, so we wouldn't want to include it there. But does it matter that no one has bothered to do this work for other main articles? Valereee (talk) 14:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]