Talk:Perceived sexual orientation

Articles of interest to help in expanding the article

I have googled and found some articles that might be useful in expanding this article. If you plan on exapnding the article, I recommend you google "perceived sexual orientation", and not "Sexual orientation profiling", you will find better results.

• The Acoustic Correlates of Perceived Masculinity, Perceived Femininity, and Perceived Sexual Orientation
• PERCEIVED SEXUAL ORIENTATION-BASED HARRASSMENT IN MILITARY AND CIVILIAN CONTEXTS
• APPEAL CASE EGYPT: IMPRISONMENT FOR ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED SEXUAL ORIENTATION IN AGOUZA

--cooljuno411 13:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Needs work

This is rather borderline, I did find a 2005 ACLU bit, this and, recently, The Bedford Diaries had a blip about it. In doing a bit of research the blood ban ban against gay, bi and MSM came up as did the entrapment of men cruising for sex. -- Banjeboi 01:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Better location?

I wonder if Perceived sexual orientation would be a better location for an article about this topic? Aleta ^Sing 01:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, and I see now that that title redirects to this article. Aleta ^Sing 01:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well they were created the same day.[1] -- Banjeboi 01:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Focus of article

I just want to clarify that this article is NOT solely about assuming a person's sexual orientation in crime, this article is about the general fact of assuming a person's sexual orientation by how they look, sound, etc. The most common and typical example is would be the "look at that guy over there, doesn't he look gay?", or "He's straight?, wow i thought he was gay, he sure sounded gay....", or even "What!, he's gay, i thought he was straight, are you sure?"..... Another would am anti-gay group jumping a random person because they think is gay.... and the examples go on.... like i said, it is the act of perceiving a person's sexual orientation when that person has never stated their orientation.--cooljuno411 03:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

See gaydar, "profiling" suggests something a bit different than that. -- Banjeboi 04:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, then retitle the article, because this is not just about assuming somone to be gay.... assuming someone is straight fits in here too. This article is going on the lines of: "Avoid making assumptions about people's sexual orientation or gender identity based on their appearance or behavior. Don't assume one's spouse or partner is of the opposite sex." [2]. Maybe change the name of the article to "assuming a person's sexual orientation".... you thoughts....--cooljuno411 04:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

How about "Perceived sexual orientation", as I suggested in the section above? Aleta ^Sing

Sound's great but i would prefer an adjective-verb, describing the action of assuming.... Just how "sexual orientation profiling" describe the action of assuming someone's sexual orientation. Any ideas???--cooljuno411 20:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem I have with that and the current title is I think you are creating a neologism. We need to avoid that. Aleta ^Sing 18:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The act of judging someone orientation has been going on for sometime now....--cooljuno411 02:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I think this article should be at "Perceived sexual orientation" as suggested by Aleta. That is the accepted term for the concept of "assuming someone is gay or straight based on their appearance". I realise it's not in the same grammatical form, but that's ok - it can have the same scope. "Profiling" suggests a parallel to racial profiling, which is different. Also, avoid treating the article as a place to go "Don't do this" - that's not what Wikipedia is for. --Alynna (talk) 00:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article to Perceived sexual orientation, it is a better name then sexual orientation profiling, but i still thing an adjective-verb would be a better title, but until then the current title will be much better.--cooljuno411 03:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Intro

I've rewritten the intro paragraph to better define the term "perceived sexual orientation". The wording is pretty clunky, though - anyone want to take a shot at improving it? --Alynna (talk) 01:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

As i stated above, i think an adjective-verb [ad-verb] would be a better title, similar to the pervious name "sexual orientation profiling".--cooljuno411 01:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

In the absence of a specific adjective-verb title, I think we should keep the current title, because it's a common term for this concept. Why do you want an adjective-verb form? --Alynna (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Because the article is about the action of assuming someone sexual orientation. When it was titled "sexual orientation profiling", an adverb, though incorrect title, it was easier to describe because you are detailing the act of assuming someone's sexual orientation. Example: "Sexual orientation profiling is the act of assuming or perceiving a person's sexual orientation before said person discloses their sexual orientation."--cooljuno411 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think I understand. The problem is, there isn't really a common term for that. There is a common term, though, for "what people assume a person's sexual orientation to be" - perceived sexual orientation. Anything you could possibly say about the act of assuming someone's sexual orientation, falls within the scope of an article on what people assume a person's sexual orientation to be. Some other related things do too, and we might as well group them together. --Alynna (talk) 01:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I have expand on the intro a bit.--cooljuno411 02:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)