Talk:Origins of the Kurds/Genetic origins of the Kurds

Discussion[edit]

The article is not on a Kurdish race nor propagates a Kurdish racism but explains the genetic origins of this people. The geneticists who made those tests better know their work than others such as human right activitists. Their conclusion is more exact and relevant. There is no need for anti-racism lectures. Serkewt 17:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. A large scientific comunity finds such genetic studies to be "ridiclous". Also 99.9% of human genome is same for everybody... The article explains it.. --Cat out 21:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just made some corrections to the section on Georgians and Kurds. Basically, whatever the possible biological relationship between the two peoples, their languages are completely unrelated. Moreover, hardly anyone in the field of historical linguistics believes Georgian is related to Basque. And finally, the Caucasian language family does not exist; it only refers to languages spoken in the Caucasus which are neither Indo-European nor Turkic.--141.152.252.208 22:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)jonathangw[reply]

This article is obviously a propaganda article to glorify kurds. it is really ridiculous to speculate on genetic origins. E104421 14:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please calm down. the article is sourced by academic journals such as this one: The correlation Between Languages and Genes: The Usko-Mediterranean Peoples, Human Immunology, 62, p.1057, 2001. I don't think journal of Human Immunology is propaganda :).Heja Helweda 16:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No but its scientificaly nonsense (as stated on article). Kurds are infact Jews? Come on... --Cat out 09:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it scientifically does not make sense. There is no correlation between genes and languages, language is something you can learn, if it is so jobs are also hereditary, like a joke, interpreting the scientific data to favor POV is ridiculous. This kind of analysis is just a pseudo-science E104421 10:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I want this article to go to wiki-hell (as it is pseudo-science), sadly deletion is a broken process. Toss in the word jew and kurd in an article and it will just be kept... Oh and I disagree with you on one point: this article does not even glorify Kurds. --Cat out 10:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal[edit]

I think this page should be moved to Origins of the Kurds. I don't think that genetics is the only factor in determining an ethnic group's origins. That's why I propose that this topic be made more broad and include other non-genetic studies. Any thoughts? —Khoi khoi 23:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agree with the user Cool Cat that this propaganda article should go to Wiki-Hell, cause it's just a pseudo-science based on ethnocentricism. Furthermore, there is no need for an extra article as Origins of the Kurds cause there is already the History of the Kurds article. E104421 09:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The research is specifically about the genetic origins of the Kurds, not the cultural, religious or political history of the Kurds. By all means link this topic to the other topics, but remember, those are seperate subjects and one should not confuse them. Condemning scientific research because it offends a political belief is a sure road to Medieval ignorance. Genetic research on the genetic history of a people can be dangerous to the ruling political orthodoxies, as sometimes the true origins of a people are in fact very different than the official myths.Griffith400 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning text[edit]

The beginning text by User:Uvolik was written [1]. this uses gave the source ([2]). Into this source I found the actual did not indicate that the Kurds and Jew genetic test was submitted. Please indicates sources. 213.196.220.25 01:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Connection with the Jewish People

This is a big lie.

removed vandalism[edit]

Removed the following sentence which had been under the sub-heading "connection with Jews".

Connection with Neanderthals: Kurds claim to be the early inhabitants of the region and descendants of these early inhabitants; the anthropologists, historians and genetic scientists state the early inhabitants of the region were neanderthals that the connection between each other will be on future projects.

This is clearly nonsensical and sub-literate.

Unclear[edit]

"They concluded that Sephardim and Kurdish Jews were genetically indistinguishable, but that both were slightly significantly different from Ashkenazim (who were most closely related to the Muslim Kurds)."

Are they slightly different or significantly different? Yonatan ^talk 06:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I merged the info from the other article into this one. Both articles talk about the same thing, the origin of the Kurds, therefore, the genetic testing should just be included in the Origins of the Kurds article. Makes sense. I merged the articles,Hajji Piruz 21:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]