Talk:Olio (app)

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@DoubleGrazing: I conducted a WP:BEFORE search and did not find enough there to suggest this app meets our notability guidelines for significant coverage. Most of the sources are either from the publisher or do not address topic directly and in detail. The article needs multiple independent reliable sources. Since the article is new, I have only added a notability tag for now to give you a chance to bring the article up to meet our inclusion criteria. Mkdw ^talk 22:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Mkdw: Thanks for your comments. There are more independent sources that can be cited, I just wasn't sure quite how much are needed and didn't want to go OTT in citing for the sake of citing. I will add some more over the next few days when I get a chance (unless someone else beats me to it). Cheers, DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Mkdw: I have added further citations - by my count, ten media sources in total - so would it be okay to remove the maintenance tags now? DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Churnalism

a bunch of these refs appear to be churnalism. this one looks exactly like a lightly edited press release. Can't figure out where the press releases are tho... Jytdog (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've tried to discuss this on your talk page, but your position stubbornly remains "I think you're spamming, and therefore it is so" (apologies for paraphrasing). You've no evidence to show for this, other than your own beliefs, yet you're quite happy to call me a spammer. I really don't think that's on. DoubleGrazing (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Using a company's own website extensively is bad editing, yes. The page was tagged for primary sources because of that. I removed those spam links and removed the "primary tag". Jytdog (talk) 22:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

The churnalism refs remain a concern. Jytdog (talk) 22:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Fine, I guess we must 'agree to disagree'. I've requested 3O on this, let's see what comes out of that. DoubleGrazing (talk) 22:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Whatever. I don't think any experienced editor will disagree with removing spam and offtopic content as I did here. It is disheartening that you are arguing to retain obvious promotional content. Again, see WP:Identifying PR. Jytdog (talk) 22:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't see an issue with the source above. The website appears to be legitimate, and it doesn't appear to be churnalism to me. Can you elaborate on what your concern is? ^†Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 23:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

The linked-to page is almost a perfect example of churnalism. Typical self-laudatory quotes from the relevant companies, ends with a description of how great their businesses are; even the picture was provided by Olio (see the photographer's website here, where it says "Client: Olio"; the image is in Olio's press pack here). The page itself is full of spam links. That piece is all about "throw some crap up fast and quick, pile some spam links into it, and a bunch of clickbait under it and move on to the next" which is the business model for a lot of "news" sites. Hence the term "churnalism". You should read churnalism. You can't even get to the ^%$ links at the bottom of the webpage, where information about the publisher is, because the website is set up to keep in-filling with yet more clickbait the more you scroll down. Jytdog (talk) 14:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I did get to this page from links at the top. The name of the publisher is Johnston Press, and here is what they say about themselves: "We’re Johnston Press and we’re experts in helping local businesses market themselves effectively. With over 200 local and national news titles including The Scotsman, The Yorkshire Post, The Portsmouth News and the i, we’re one of the largest local media groups in the UK. Our 200 year history as a trusted local news provider gives us the knowledge, expertise and reputation to help put your business at the heart of the local community." which when you copy it comes with the expected spam link: Read more at: http://www.jplocalbusiness.co.uk/about/?ref=BG

Not journalism. Advertising. Jytdog (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I emailed the author of the piece, and he emailed me the press release he was sent. I can forward that email to anybody who wants it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jytdog (talk • contribs) 16:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Based on what you've presented, I would agree with your assessment about it not being a reliable source.^†Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 18:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I kind of overdid it. Sorry. To be clear, I think it is "reliable" for the fact that the co-op partnered with Olio, just like a press release would be. But it is not independent, and doesn't count toward notability per WP:NCORP, should this page be nominated for deletion. Same with the similar references. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Third opinion

Response to third opinion request:

I removed this entry because the dispute is between more than two editors. Consider opening a thread at WP:DRN. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 19:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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Olio (rendered as OLIO) is a mobile app for food-sharing, aiming to reduce food waste. It does this by connecting those with surplus food to those who need or wish to consume such food. The food must be edible; it can be raw or cooked, sealed or open.

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Olio is a mobile app for sharing by giving away, getting, borrowing or lending things in your community for free, aiming to reduce household ^{(New 1 & 2)} and food waste. It does this by connecting neighbours with spare food or household items to others nearby who wish to pick up those items. The food must be edible; it can be raw or cooked, sealed or open. Non-food items often listed on Olio include books, clothes ^{(New 3)} and furniture. ^{(New 4)}

Citations:

1 “Martin Lewis says people are missing out on free cash - 'you may as well get cashback'” - Daily Express (UK). December 2022.

2 “I've been using a food-waste app to snap up free food, including coffee-shop salads, cookies, and meat from grocery stores” - Business Insider. September 2022.

3 “Save money on back to school costs as savvy parents cut £205 per child off bills” - Daily Mirror. August 2022.

4 “The rise of reuse: How to furnish your home for free, from your bathroom to your kitchen” - Evening Standard. August 2022.

Miss Andrea H (talk) 13:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@Miss Andrea H hi l need a mattress urgently if anyone has a spare one l do have a lot of cash but l can give you something for your help please reply to either this phone or [email protected]

live near by so we can pick the mattress up asao if that's ok with you please reply to let us know if you still have the mattress for sale .

Regards Sue x 31.94.27.18 (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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Those donating surplus food can be individuals or companies such as food retailers, restaurants, corporate canteens, food photographers etc., and donations can take place on an ad-hoc or recurrent basis. For example, some supermarket chains in the UK, including Tesco,[2] the Midcounties Co-operative,[3][4] Morrisons and Sainsbury's[5][6] have piloted Olio as an 'online food bank' to donate food and to reduce their waste.

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Those donating surplus food can be individuals or companies such as food retailers, restaurants, corporate canteens, food photographers etc., and donations can take place on an ad-hoc or recurrent basis. For example, some supermarket chains in the UK, including Tesco,[2] the Midcounties Co-operative,[3][4] Morrisons, Sainsbury's[5][6], Iceland and Pret a Manger use Olio to donate food and reduce their waste via Olio’s network. In March 2022, Olio partnered with Pandamart in Singapore.

Citations:

12 - “ICELAND LAUNCHES PARTNERSHIP WITH OLIO TO OFFER FAMILIES FREE SURPLUS FOOD” - Grocery Gazette. July 2022.

13 - “OLIO hires full C-suite team from tech giants” - Business Cloud. March 2022

14 - “Food-sharing app Olio appoints Yien Li Yap to lead new Singapore operation” - Eco-Business. April 2022.

RedRockValley (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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