Talk:Nnoitra Jiruga

article creation

i've created several arrancar articles most of which were just compressed into the huge holow article on the grounds they weren't relevant because they died. i'm going to start creating espada articles once we get enough info on each one. so as soon as we see a zanpakuto for an espada i'll probably give them an article. granted this article is still small but i think we will see a lot more of him now...if the 1st squad vc gets an article why not a character we've actually seen in 100 chapters? i think each espada should get an article, once we've actually seen enough to write one about them. hopefully this won't just get smushed back into the hollow article. --Grimjaw 00:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. It seems to me that Espada are as important (and likely stronger) than the Soul Society captains and their role in the manga is going to do nothing but grow. All the other arrancar, though, have little to contribute and have the distinction of being either dead or in just a couple of chapters (Wonderwyce the exception, big things are coming his way by what Kubo is hinting). Gdo01 00:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I would say that Luppi should also have one, but people in Bleach articles think that only those characters that are alive deserves articles.

About Arronilo, is almost 100% sure that he is Kaien in fact (even if his body is not Kaien's one), so maybe a single article to both of them... when the time comes, of course. - Access Timeco 14:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

hey hey hey, luppi is dead so he doesn't matter. just like my edorad il forte and shawlong articles...dead = insignificant. which means every villian in every anime ever doesn't matter. hell the main character of cowboy bebop doesn't matter by this logic. have i seethed enough spite at my articles deletion yet? lol --Grimjaw 22:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Zanpakuto

It should be noted that he is the only espada known to show his zanpakuto. User:Seth 103

What are you talking about? We saw Grimmjow's sword albeit only for a few panels, same with Yammy. And why did you put Access Timeco's signature? Gdo01 19:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Give me a link to these images please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seth 103 (talk • contribs).

Yammy's sword [1], Grimmjow's Sword [2] [3] [4]. Gdo01 20:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I ment in released forms.

we have no idea if that its released form or not, judging by the privaron espada arrancar can have some odd shaped unreleased zanpakuto --Grimjaw 22:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

also, arrancar and espada do NOT have "released form zanpakuto". when they release, it changes their BODIES, not the swords, the swords just disappear at that point. Lacking Lack 06:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

yeah, but they still release the Zanpakutou, so it's still a "released Zanpakutou" even if the Zanpakutou itself doesn't change form.--124.104.44.182 11:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

did ya know that Arrancar Zanpakutous disappear when they are released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.72.107 (talk) 12:53, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

so? Unohana's Zanpakutou disappears when she releases hers. so does Byakuya's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.40.117 (talk) 15:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

1st Espada

In the manga he states he's the strongest espada.

yeah but he also bitches about wanting recognition as the strongest...this implies he isn't currently the top ranked espada. he didn't say he was number one he said he was the strongest...hell i think grimmjow would make the same boast. --Grimjaw 22:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should refer to him as "High ranking Espada in Sosuke Azien's army of arrancar" since he is clearly high ranking, even if not #1. (at least until we know his exact rank) Lacking Lack 06:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

like i said i think GJ would make the same boast. having a big ego doesn't = high ranking necissarily. --Grimjaw 19:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Noitora and Kenpachi Zaraki being so much alike

They both are battle loveing psychos and hate fighting weaklings and at they have laid back persona when outside of battle. They share a far amont of physically charterists with the long hair, eyepach, evil smile, and thier zanpakutō are defant from the standard. They have little respect for their bosses. thedarklonewolf 04:21, June 02 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Anyway, what's your point? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{uw-chat1}}? –Gunslinger47 18:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

My point is that some of the other Arrancar share charterists to Shinigami of the Gotei 13 and it has been noted so why not Noitora and Zaraki thedarklonewolf 6:38, June 03 2007 (UTC)

Grimmjow shares more traits with Zaraki than Noitora does. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

You have it in reverus Grimmjow only share the love for battle and bloodlust smile. Noitora has all of that more. You need to reed more manga and watch more anime Someguy.user: thedarklonewolf 2:43 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Same goes for you. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Having an eyepatch != being Kenpachi2. --tjstrf talk 07:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

First off by saying "same goes for you" you admit that you need to watch more anime and read more manga by useing same in your sentient Someguy0830. Second any real Bleach fan has seen Zaraki before he spike his hair up and if have you have not it is "long black hair". Third Szayel Aporro Grantz and Mayuri Kurotsuchi similar taits have note, Stark and Shunsui Kyōraku similar habits have been noted, Halibel and Soifon caring their zanpakutōs in similar fashions have been note, so why are Noitora and Kenpachi Zaraki similaruty not noted. Finley Zaraki does as pycho as he is he does fight far and has not once attacked an opponent with there guard down or one that he know is weaker then him the same can not be said or Grimmjow. If you have a good comeback please share it Someguy0830. user: thedarklonewolf 4:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You can't say anything about a guy whose total appearances number less than any other Espada. Grimmjow is like Kenpachi, and has character development to that effect. Your argument amounts to "but they look similar". In short, quit wasting time chatting up the page with out-of-context comparisons. He hasn't appeared enough to draw any conclusions. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

And reminder to everyone: this isn't a discussion forum.--Chemicalist 14:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

But would these similarities be notable enough to mention? And where there are certain similarities in personality between Kenpatchi and Noitora, he also seems to bear a considerable physical resemblence to Gin Ichimaru as both share a chronic facial expression of an exaggerated smile and narrowed eyes and have a similar build. 74.67.115.126 22:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

'Like Kenpachi Zaraki before him, Nnoitra is obsessed with fighting strong opponent' That is the extent of what (to my knowledge) can be put in the article referencing Zaraki. Sadly, little is known of Nnoitra, and Kenpachi himself has rather little revealed other than his fighting instinct (his need for a name is one of the few other things, so unless Nnoitra means 'Ultimate Slaughterer' or 'Butcherer', and unless he chose that name himself, that's one less thing they have in common). Remember, millions of people share physical characteristics. Unless the resemblance is striking or the two are identical, there's little reason to mention it. As to his facial expression, I believe he stopped smiling when Tessla blocked Chad's attack. Of course, he's smiling again in his most recent appearance, and I may be wrong, so...

Drawing a comparison between otherwise unrelated characters is purposeless speculation. So, Nnoitra is somewhat like Zaraki. The point being? Unless it is later revealed they are long lost brothers, there's nothing worth including. If anything, it only shows that the author has a limited stable of archetypes in his repertoire.

Wikipedia is supposed to be factual and concise. It's bad enough the articles get updated with detailed summaries of the action every time a new chapter is released. Son Goharotto (talk) 17:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ranking

I just want to lete veryone know: that page 7 of 294 does NOT show that Noitra's old rank was 8th. The "8" seen in any subsequent flashback was Zaellopolo's, not noitra's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.2 (talk) 14:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

His tattoo appears to be on his tongue in the spoiler pictures for the latest chapters. But there's a image showing it as 2 and one as 5 floating around. Should the tongue thing be added anyway?

He's the second, me thinks. 74.167.170.215 19:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC) [5]

No, he's the fifth. 82.50.166.201 00:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right, he's fifth. It was forged. 74.167.170.215 02:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Naming?

Why was Noitora changed to Nnoitra? I've never seen that spelling and most translations and fans use Noitora.

His name is on the cover of Chapter 287. It's the same reason "Zaera-Polo" was changed to "Szayel-Aporro" and "Arroniro" to "Aaroniero," as their real names were on the chapter covers. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 03:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I want to make mention of the fact that most arrancar and espada have spanish names that mean something. The translation as noitora is portugese and means night crown. So him and grimjow are the only two espada with non spanish names. I think that has some significance as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.238.89.46 (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

No, Ulquiorra Schiffer is partly German, Szayel Aporro is also German, Dunno about Luppi, Halibel，Stark, and Yammy's names are more English-sounding than anything.

In fact, there is only a few spanish-named Hollows/Arrancar out there. The only ones that might be are Dondo, Aaroniero, Nell Tu, Dordonii (more like Italian, IMO), Gantenbein, and Edorado.75.0.180.34 21:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, AFAIK, there isn't a single language with a double-n construct. You're welcome to prove me wrong, but Nnoitra's name does not mean "Night Crown" in any accepted language. 75.0.180.34 22:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

He was referring to the "Noitora" variation, not "Nnoitra." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 21:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that'd be a moot point anyways, seeing that it is spelled Nnoitra by the author. At best we could say it's a corruption, but AFAIK there is no proof supporting that. Plus I looked up "Night Crown" in Portugese, Spanish, Italian, German, French, Russian and Japanese. Nowhere does "noitora" come close to "Night crown." In fact, it might be more plausible to say it's noi and tora, some kind of tiger in Japanese. Again, it's a moot point. The spelling is as it stands, and AFAIK, in no language there exists a word with a double n construct as a consonant ("Shinnosuke"'s double n is two consonants, for shin, and no, for those that care). AKFrost 01:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Lunamalko?

Where is it revealed that Nnoitra's Zanpakutou is named Lunamalko? I'm taking that part out unless someone gives concrete proof(which, as of chapter 287, is unlikely, honestly).--Chemicalist 16:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It's vandalism. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 17:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Shock?

I don't know if I was the only one who saw it, but I thought Nnoitra looked genuinely shocked (if not scared) in the last page when he looked at Nell after she transformed... think it's worth mentioning? SoulReaverDan 22:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he tends to be shocked at least. But I really think we have to know the reason why he's looking like that. Is it noteworthy that he looks that way just because he was surprised/shocked by the explosion and probably the reiatsu burst? I think not. At the other hand if it's later (for example) revealed that Nel was/is stronger than Nnoitra and he used a cheap trick to beat her.. Well yea, in that case I think it's worthy enough to mention it because there would be a story behind the expression on his face or smth. Twsl 08:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Since Nel's rank is/was the 3rd of the Espada and therefore being 2 ranks higher than Nnoitra, I think it's worth mentioning that he was shocked at least. Just my opinion. Twsl 11:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If anything he was surprised she transformed...then pissed off to see her...then horrified/shocked she actually managed to cut him across the chest. I don't think he was scared to see her, more just surprised she changed back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.84.32 (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

yea, it surely isn't that obvious anymore especially after reading this weeks chapter. Twsl 23:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Years?

The article says Nnoitora claims it has been years since Nell Tu was an Espada, how can this be since the Espada were created by Aizen who only dissapeared from Soul Society a few months ago? SeraphimEmperor 00:18, 2nd October 2007 GMT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.62.5.250 (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's quite certain that Aizen was meddling in Hueco Mundo long before his departure from Soul Society. If you don't buy that, then we at least know that the Espada existed prior to the theft of the hyōgoku, due to the existence of the Privaron.

Also, there has been no verification that Aizen was the one who founded the Espada. –Gunslinger47 01:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Aizen was working for years on making Hinamori a doting fanatic and all the other work he did prior to leaving Soul Society like making Huge Hollows and the Hollow that killed Kaien. It's not unreasonable to assume that Nnoitra could've been a naturally created Arrancar who remained able to alter his strength. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.116 (talk) 15:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Last name translation and other ability

Translated from Japanese, Jiruga apparently means "gill moth". Also, Nnoitra displays an ability to measure an opponent's reiatsu that is noted on the Japanese Wikipedia, but it is not mentioned here. Should I add that in with reference to the page in the manga? Big red01027 20:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

When is it indicated that he can measure reiatsu? If you are referring to when he sticks his hand in the ground after Zaraki shows up, that's a really vague scene and you can't really draw a proper conclusion for it. ~SnapperTo 22:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. I won't add it in, then. I wouldn't oppose someone else adding it, though, because it is a logical conclusion. Big red01027 22:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I just re-read that chapter. Doing that, and reading Big red's description, that is exactly the feeling I get.

Page 5

1. Zaraki shows up.

2. Nnoitra sticks his finger in the ground, and a 'beam' thing homes in on Zaraki

3. A shot of his finger, suggesting he is sensing something, since nothing happened to Zaraki after the beam reached him.

4. A shot of his eye, extremely stressed and clearly freaking out about something.

Page 6

5. Before Tesla does anything, another shot of Nnoitra standing, again clearly agitated.

6. Tesla attacks, followed by another freaked out eye.

Page 7

7. Nnoitra screams at Tesla to run, and he is screaming hard.

Nothing definitively says "Oh, btw, he just read Zaraki's reiatsu level," but it is fairly clear he does something to that effect. I'm not saying to add anything; but it is very interesting. Very interesting indeed... Kyouraku-taichou 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no issues with saying Nnoitra can determine whether or not an opponent is strong by sticking his hand in the ground. I have issues with saying the action measures one's reiatsu. ~SnapperTo 23:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

How about we add " Nnoitra also apears to be able to sence an oponents strength...discription of how.--Tosta mista (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I can easily agree with that, because it clearly looks like he does this. Maybe something to this effect.

"Nnoitra also appears to be able to gauge an opponent's strength. He uses an unknown technique on Zaraki, where a flat beam of energy homes in on the shinigami, and afterwards Nnoitra appears to realize Zaraki's immense strength."

I'd put that under Powers. Kyouraku-taichou 00:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)