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The Madness

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Info on "The Madness" has been included in this discography. This is to conform with the infomation box at the bottom of the page. Please do not remove the info on the various releases by "The Madness".

It's also useful to include the info on this page (with a note to the effect that "The Madness" is a slightly different entity), rather than create a separate "The Madness" page, which would just create needless clutter. 172.166.152.212 19:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are wrong. The Madness were a different band which formed 2 years after Madness split. This goes against everything in the Madness article. Just because they have a similar name, does not mean that they are the same band. The band were originally to be called something totally different, but the name was taken already (I forget what the name was). I can only assume they chose the name "The Madness" for commercial reasons.
If the band was Madness, they would have called themselves Madness. End of. Do not add this information back, as it is not correct. Their work is not recognised on their official website.Sam Orchard 22:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After reading that, I apologise if I came accross rather sharp. Sam Orchard 01:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually pretty clear that "The Madness" is a (slightly) different entity than "Madness". That's not what's being argued here.

The argument is that the "Madness" discography page is a logical and sensible place to place information about the releases by "The Madness", who are, after all, a band of interest to fans of "Madness". You'll note that each instance of work by "The Madness" is identified as work by "The Madness", so that it's clear that these are the works of a separate entity that is still a part of the "Madness" continuum. And the main article references "The Madness", as does the info box. So what's the problem here? 172.147.74.117 02:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't think that work by a different band belongs in another band's discography. But, let's make a compromise. I eventually plan on creating a page for "The Madness", so until then, their releases can stay on this discography page, as there's no other place to put them. Sam Orchard 11:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it'll do for now. I'd still argue that discographical information about "The Madness" belongs on the same page as the "Madness" discography -- and I'm not alone. Other sources that place the info together for ease and convenience include the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles, and many, many on-line discographies.
Oh, and I'd also argue that the fact that the offical "Madness" website doesn't list work by "The Madness" isn't especially relevant. Musicians (as well as other people) leave stuff out of their offical biographies all the time. Rosanne Cash, for instance, omits any mention of her first album from her offical bios. This doesn't mean that it should be excluded from her Wikipedia entry -- the album does exist, even if Cash doesn't want to acknowledge it. (Of course, the fact that Cash disowns it should also be noted in the entry.)
Similarly, I think it's reasonable to list work by "The Madness" in this discography, as long as its noted that the work has the potential to be regarded as being by a slightly differnet entity. I say slightly different because, of course, the band consisted entirely of members of Madness, operating under a very similar moniker which was clearly designed (if only by the record company) to capitalize on the Madness name.
A similar situation happened with the band Pretenders. For their first two albums, they were "Pretenders" (no "The"). After the deaths of James Honeyman-Soctt and Pete Farndon, the band was re-organized with somewhat different personnel as "The Pretenders". But every discography I've ever seen lumps them together. And rightly so. 172.130.198.52 18:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of interest, would you believe the same if the band had a totally different name? Just for arguements sake... Sam Orchard 19:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, yeah. Again, the argument is that it's an 'ease and convenience' issue. Which means, now that I think about it, a solid argument could be made for listing the lone single by "The Fink Brothers" on this discography page....
But hey, maybe we can still work this through in the spirit of compromise. Perhaps a spot on the page for "Madness" spin-off projects might be approprate?
The top of the page might read something like This is a listing of record releases by the band "Madness". Also included are releases by associated groups "The Fink Brothers", "The Madness" and "The Nutty Boys".
Then the actual discography would be divided into sections:
Section 1: "Madness" discography
Section 2: "The Fink Brothers" discography
Note: The Fink Brothers were Suggs and Chas Smash of Madness.
Section 3: "The Madness" discography
Note: "The Madness" was a short-lived spin-off group of Madness formed by Suggs, Chas Smash, Lee Thompson and Carl Foreman in 1987. While The Guinness Book of British Hit Singles and many on-line discographies consider this band to be the same as "Madness", the band themselves consider "The Madness" to be a separate and distinct project.
Section 4: "The Nutty Boys" Discography
Note: The Nutty Boys were Lee Thompson and Carl Foreman of Madness. While the members of the band Madness were nicknamed "The Nutty Boys" as a whole, this section lists only the work released by Thompson and Foreman under "The Nutty Boys" name.


Howzat?

That sounds much better, and I've added it to the page, although I had a few problems trying to format it so if fitted it with the rest of the page. If you can improve it, please do by all means. <font color=red><B>Sam Orchard</B></font> 14:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The spin-off bands do not belong here. I have added the info back to the main Madness page. they are not "madness" releases, so they do not belong in the madness discography. it's misleading to people and incorrect. Mister sparky (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, this matter has been discussed on this page, and the consensus opinion was that these entries do belong. What you've done is high-handedly, and with no discussion, deleted material that has been vetted by Wikipedia users -- material that is A) useful and B) in NO WAY misleading. If you can present a better argument than you've done for the removal of this material, please feel free to do so...because right now, your actions could be interpreted as vadalism.

172.162.11.168 (talk) 00:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

an agreement between two people is far from a consensus... the information is misleading because it would lead people to think that they are madness releases, which they are not. the info hasn't been removed completely, it's been added to the madness main page until a more permanent decision is reached. and the admin that protected the page from the info being re-added certainly didn't think it was vandalism... Mister sparky (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The current 2 disc remastered re-releases of Madness' studio albums numbers the albums on the bottom of the spine and puts a letter at the top of the spine. Wonderful has an 8 and an !, Mad not Mad has a 6 and an S this leaves a gap between them even though there were no official Madness studio albums during that period. This seems to imply that the 2012 re-release of The Madness will be counted as a Madness album and have a 7 and an S so that the top of the spines reads MADNESS! and the bottom runs from 1 to 8.Brett Dunbar (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Sun and the Rain

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Also, do you have any source for the fact that The Sun and the Rain "Reached #84 on the US charts in 1984" ? I'm not doubting it, I just wasn't aware of that. If you have a source then please share. Sam Orchard 12:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After doing a small amount of research, I've found a claim that it reached 72 in the charts. Not really much info on in though Sam Orchard 12:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll double check the source next time I get a chance. It definitely charted in the US, albeit at a low number, but I'm not sure of the exact placement. 172.130.198.52 18:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Austrailan chart info...

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...is great, but what's the source? Can if be chacked on-line?

Live at the Astoria

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Are we going to add sections for the two live recordings from the December 2007, they're quite limited releases I think but they are proper Madness albums.
I have the Live at the Astoria 3.12.07 edition the track listing for that is:

Disk 1
One step beyond
Embarresment
The Prince
NW5
My Girl
Tomorrows Just Another Day
Bingo
Sun and the Rain
Los Palmas 7
Lets Go
Shut Up
I Chase the Devil (aka Ironshirt)
Bed and Breakfast Man
Sugar and Spice*

Disk 2
Grey Day
Lovestruck
Forever Young
House of Fun
Wings of a Dove
Baggy Trousers
Our House
It Must Be Love
Madness
Night Boat to Cairo
Outro*

The tracks with *'s next to them I'm not 100% certain of the titles of so if anyone would care to clear things up please do.

Elaverick (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addition: "Dance Craze"

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Madness was also featured in the 1981 film Dance Craze. Three of their titles made it on its soundtrack album Dance Craze : The Best of British Ska...Live! (German release: 2Tone Records, cat. no. 203 375-320):

  • "Razor Blade Alley" (2:35; side one, track 4)
  • "One Step Beyond" (3:22; side one, track 8)
  • "Night Boat to Cairo" (3:12; side two, track 5)


cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_Craze

78.94.169.2 (talk) 13:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fink Brothers

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The link Fink Brothers under the [Mutants in Mega City One]] disambiguation page links here (because the Fink Brothers were a Madness side-project) but the page doesn't mention the single or the Fink Brothers. As I don't recall the details I can't fix this. Stub Mandrel (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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