Talk:List of concertos for harpsichord solo by J. S. Bach
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[edit]Off-topic. Not helpful for the reader. Prose uses non-existent words and phrases. Does not match sources and misses point of article. Mathsci (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2017 (UTC) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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...or something in that vein. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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"the co-ruling Dukes" "In 1708 Bach applied before the Duke", "his brother had even more musical talents", "taught the prince keyboard", "on the expense of both the Wilhelmsburg and Rotes Schloss courts"... This is all unreadable and ungrammatical. Nor is what you're trying to write accurate or relevant. You seem not to have understood what the first section is about. Nothing you have suggested seems at all helpful for the reader, quite the contrary. I am making all sorts of of changes and do not need feel I need help at this early stage. Why not try improving L'estro Armonico? You're surely capable of explaining in two or three sentences what Anne Dawson's book is. It's in the sources, so all you have to do is paraphrase them in a clear way. Mathsci (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
- Re. "I am making all sorts of of changes and do not need feel I need help at this early stage" – wouldn't be too snubbish about help offered, e.g. might help you to avoid WP:OR like "The earliest extant score..." --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
- Are you helping to avoid WP:OR like "The earliest extant score..."? The caption has two references. The second one states in a section marked 'sources', "The chronological positioning of the concerto transcriptions within the central Weimar period is substantiated by two sources. The first is the sole extant autograph from this work group, that of BWV 596." Clear enough. Yet here you are claiming "original research". That is fairly typical of your commentary. It is disruptive trolling. Mathsci (talk) 10:12, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
- "first" of "two sources" does not necessarily mean "earliest". So WP:OR. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
- Are you helping to avoid WP:OR like "The earliest extant score..."? The caption has two references. The second one states in a section marked 'sources', "The chronological positioning of the concerto transcriptions within the central Weimar period is substantiated by two sources. The first is the sole extant autograph from this work group, that of BWV 596." Clear enough. Yet here you are claiming "original research". That is fairly typical of your commentary. It is disruptive trolling. Mathsci (talk) 10:12, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Discussion of individual concertos
[edit]I have already written a section on BWV 596, the transcription for organ. That is detailed content from Williams (2003}, which cannot be presented in a table in any way at all. It takes quite a bit of space and required some thought. Remarkably it involves the only in-depth discussion of the original concerto that has been placed on wikipedia. The next part of the discussion involves the harpsichord arrangements and the introductory material that can found on pages 117–123. Again this is carefully written prose over a long period of pages. The first step is a careful reading of that content. Part of it will be incorporate in the general section. Part of it will be incorporated as the head of the section on harpsichord transcriptions. There is a slight twist for the harpscihord transcriptions, since other works in the BWV catalogue are harpsichord transcriptions and reference is made to those. Those of Bach's own works are often thought to be by by his students; but there sonatas by other composers that Bach transcribed himself. This will require a little thought after careful reading of Schulenberg who has his own particular style. As far as original concertos go, I intend to start with BWV 976, Bach's transcription of Vivaldi's Op.3, No.12. I might create a "to do" list on this page as a record of which transcriptions have had detailed discussions. Mathsci (talk) 06:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
To do list
[edit]- BWV 592 Not done
- BWV 593 Not done
- BWV 594 Not done
- BWV 595 Not done
- BWV 596 Done
- BWV 972 Not done
- BWV 973 Not done
- BWV 974 Not done
- BWV 975 Not done
- BWV 976 Not done in process
- BWV 978 Not done
- BWV 979 Not done
- BWV 980 Not done
- BWV 981 Not done
- BWV 982 Not done
- BWV 983 Not done
- BWV 984 Not done
- BWV 985 Not done
- BWV 986 Not done
- BWV 987 Not done