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In making some changes to the page I took out a couple things -- the section called "Aerial photos & maps" seemed unnecessary as those kind of things are available via the coordinates link. I also took out the External links section, which had only one link, to a peakbagger page on, of all things, Mount Rainier.

I was intending to add a history section, since even a quick web search showed a lot of history on this island. But I don't have the time and energy at the moment to wade through all the links and make sense of it and write something up. Maybe later. Pfly (talk) 05:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need a Nuxalk equivalent of OMR ;-) or a non-indigenous person in the region; as we do in all areas; wikipedia is the ultimate tableau for documentation - self-documentation - of native culture and society IMO if they let it be, or put into it what they want to see; OMR's doing great work on Skwxwu7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw and also more generla materials like Northwest Coast art and the various templates, and elsewhere in the indigenous project there's some pretty thorough work. Ditto with non-native history, like the mine that was on Princess Royal, Surf Inlet, which was a town and people were there; a town in the sense of a trailer camp, maybe (flown in, as is sometimes the case, though not so much in the old, old days hwen that mine seems to have operated); doing local history for most BC areas is problematic because the poopualtions of the company towns are now dispersed; some were fairly stable in composition, others transient; some, like Surf Inlet and James Island, don't have names other than their locations. But as communities they had history; digging it up is another thing - it means finding people, and get the community history from them; as you probably found out hte mining stuff is pretty easy to find (MINFILE) and I always do "X place"+"geology" in the course of finding volcanics for Black Tusk, who as you know has a thing for magma and basalt and tuff; if King Island has any ancient, no matter how ancient, volcanic history he'll be glad to write it up ;-) I'm working on him to make sure he researches other stuff about such places he writes on instead of just hte volcanism involved (see Alert Bay, British Columbia). Good kid, works hard, OMR too. Trick is remember writing to the public as well as covering all the ground; it's why I back off full article writing a lot; you can see how obsessive I am, and also voluble in written style; I dig up the research, or tweak and such, far more than I ever get to articles I'd like to have time for (the list of such things itself is a big project...). In this case, though, isn't there more exploration history? Somehow I'd like to integrate water-body and island articles in this area (the coast), i.e. the names of LaBouchere and burke Channel and Dean Channel, the why and the wherefore; some of the Nuxalk names are available also; what I mean is, in your department, is there any more exploration history of the kind re Price and the other islands you've tidied up/expanded. I realized the mining, forestry, environmental, political etc history is vast. Hmmm something came to me while I was out playing (guitar, in the Halifax night....) that when I was human-pantographing the Coast for bivouac there's a peninsula up towards the Gardner Canal that's really unusual and terrain-intense; seem to remember a park or nature conservancy or other local writeup; but there's lots of those; I'll see if I can find the coordinates....BTW the scope of King Island's history alone, never mind the Bella Coola Valley or (to a lesser degree) Tallheo or Kingcome Inlet or Rivers Inlet or Kimsquit, is sufficient to me to prove/demonstrate taht a region category for waht seem like blobs on the map are very real realities if the contributiosn (over the years, one hopes) pile up on the bones of these articles we're starting;tidyhhing up/ orienting; watering and clipping, I guess....anyway g'nite, I've rambled enough.Skookum1 (talk) 05:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find much about early exploration in the King Island area in my quick searches today. Obviously Vancouver was in the area, naming King and Dean, after people with similar relations to Vancouver (or was it Burke, now I forget). But nothing early and interesting came up like it did for Price. Being tucked away I suspect the early fur trader Brits didn't work their way in that far early on. But then my research was pretty quick -- I didn't have a lot of time today but wanted to upload something. The name Labouchere is curious though... gotta wonder about that. It's also a little challenging to do searches on a place name like "King Island" -- not unusual enough so lots of false hits. On the other hand, I just figured out how to do interlibrary loans via the Seattle library, and maybe I can get my hands on some books I've discovered on the net that the local libraries don't have. Anyhow, yea, sometimes I try to write up a page pretty well, other times I tend toward a scattering of more stubby ones. The nice thing about wikipedia is that you can follow your moods and whims, unlike, say, a job or school. I spent most of the (limited) free time today looking into indigenous peoples of the BC coast -- getting a sense of the basic geo-patterns. Pfly (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You asked about the Xaixai - look at, I think, Kitasoo or Kitasu; the XaiXai are a joint Haisla/Tsimshian group.Skookum1 (talk) 12:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

simple change needed

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I might have put that distance from Bella Bella in there; if it was me I wan'st thinking; the importance of King Island to Nuxalk Territory - Category:Bella Coola Country I suppose it was called, if only casually, in English - means that the distance form BElla Coola is more relevant; I'm too sleepy to function to do it; I was gonna add Nuxalknalus to the Bella Coola disambiguation page, thinking it was reelvant because Nuxalk items were there; caught myself, but coming back here realized the opening needs a BVella Coola frame of rerence, though certainly the distance from Bella Coola (and the Inside Passage) is relevant; that the ferry into Bella coola goes up - which side of the island? - is maybe also of general interest.Skookum1 (talk) 06:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put the Bella Bella measure in, thinking it was the nearest town of note. But that is a good point about Bella Coola. I'll try to remember to change or add that tomorrow. Pfly (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The confusion is the result of a Heiltsuk name for the Nuxalk become standard, i.e. Bella Bella is from the same language as Bella Coola; a lot of people make the mistake, or think the two towns are right next to each other. I always get kick out of US national/continental weather reports showing Bella Coola as a standard "city" on the "West Coast of Canada" - Vancouv er and Victoria not being as important I guess......Skookum1 (talk) 12:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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