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Nominator: Tosatur (talk · contribs) 11:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 15:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the sources and images first. Images are correctly tagged. Earwig finds no issues. Spotchecks, with footnote numbers referring to this version:

  • FN 6 cites "Because the stream gradient is small, fish that prefer gentle flow (bitterlings, killifish, catfish, etc.) are distributed all the way to the upper reaches." Can you quote the text that supports this from the source? And please add the relevant page number(s) to the uses of this source -- I see you use it four times.
  • FN 2 cites "The Kakogawa dam began construction on March 1, 1939, and was completed on May 1, 1945." I tried translating this page with Google and I don't see anything about this dam; can you point me at the right text?
  • FN 12 cites "This [the construction of an embankment] was done in order to make crossings easier, prevent flooding of downstream villages, and increasing available land for agriculture." Verified.

One source issue:

  • FN 13 is a blog; what would make this a reliable source?

I'll continue the review once these issues are resolved. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- FN6: On page 6 "[Diagnosis points] Throughout the entire river, organisms that live in gentle currents are widely distributed. The Kakogawa River has a relatively gentle gradient throughout the entire river, and even in the upper reaches, there are many rice paddies, irrigation channels, and reservoirs nearby, which is thought to be related to this." At the bottom of the page there is a "representative slow-flowing species" section, which shows striped bitterling, medaka, and freshwater mussels. I'll fix the list of fishes, the error comes from the Japanese Wikipedia article. I added a bit extra about the fauna in the river. I also added page numbers to the citation.
- FN2: This source isn't actually supposed to be there, it was supposed to be source 9. It seems a few citations were swapped around at some point? I will fix these when I see them. Same issue was with FN6.
- FN13: The blog cites "加古川市史" (Kakogawa City History, specifically volume 2) as its source. A sample of this text can be found here. However, the claim can't be verified in the sample as far as I can tell. I recently contacted the Kakogawa City Hall to see if I could get a copy of the full text somehow, but I'm still awaiting a response. Not sure if I should just remove the sections of the article that use the blog as a source or not. Tosatur (talk) 00:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you can't find a reliable source for something, the information should be removed -- the article can't pass GA without passing the spotcheck, and the goal of the spotcheck is to confirm that everything is fully cited to reliable sources. If you are concerned that some citations have been moved, can I suggest you go through the article and check before I do another spotcheck? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through and checked each of the sources, and removed the offending section from the article. I also slightly expanded the Name, History, and Tourism sections using the same sources. Tosatur (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, great. I'll do another spotcheck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second spotcheck; footnote numbers refer to this version.

  • FN 2 cites "Within the basin, 59% of the land is considered mountainous, 26% is agricultural land, 11% is residential land, and 4% is used for other purposes." Verified.
  • FN 5 cites "The area surrounding the Kakogawa Weir is a popular site for canoeing and regattas, with local teams competing every year." Verified.
  • FNs 5 & 15 cite "There are a great number of parks along the riverside, including Takasago Seaside Park located at the river mouth. The Kakogawa Marathon is held along the banks of the river annually." The second sentence is verified; can you point me at the support for the first sentence?
  • FN 6 cites "After this [Typhoon Tokage], the Kako River was improved to prevent similar damage from occurring in the future." I don't have access to this source; can you quote the supporting material?
  • FN 12 cites "Damage estimates counted 50 houses destroyed, 400 houses flooded, and 31 individuals killed or injured." Verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- FN 5 & 15: This may have been a holdout from the translation, as it isn't in the source. I have removed the passage.
- FN 6: Do you mean number 8? Here's an archive link if you need it. As for number 6, it is only used in the Name section. I can get you a PDF of the book if you need (if that is allowed), or I can just quote it for you. Tosatur (talk) 14:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, yes, FN 8. My mistake. The information is in the source so I've struck that. I've struck the other point as you've fixed it. I need to do another spotcheck now as the article has to pass the spotcheck for GA. If I find any more inaccuracies I would have to fail the nomination, so do you want to have one more check for inaccuracies in the sourcing before I start? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through and added sources, and removed passages that were unsourced. There shouldn't be any more unsourced info in the text. Tosatur (talk) 01:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third spotcheck; footnote numbers refer to this version.

  • FN 4 cites "The Kako River has historically played a major role in the economy of the region": I had a look at this source via Google Translate and couldn't see anything that supported this, though the river is mentioned. Can you quote the text that supports this?
  • FN 12 cites "Further droughts also occurred in 2005, 2009, and 2013." Verified.
  • FN 11 cites "The river was dredged in two phases during this time; in 1594, the route from Takasago to Daimon was completed, and from 1606, the route from Daimon to Takino was completed." The source says that the route to Takino was completed in 1594, per Google Translate: "In the first period (1594), Hikobei and Saburoemon dredged the route from Takasago to Daimon, and Ae Yosuke dredged the route from Daimon to Takino."
  • FN 5 cites "After the opening of the fishing season on May 1, there is Ayu Festival held on May 3 each year." Verified.

I'm sorry, Tosatur, but I have to fail this -- even if you can show me support for FN 4, the FN 11 source discrepancy means this spotcheck fails too. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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