Talk:John B. Trevor Sr.

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Deletionists[edit]

The guy has a NYT obit and had a published reference asserting notability when db'd. You wanna AfD this, go for it. This does not meet db criteria. Jokestress 18:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Republic[edit]

I removed a recently re-added quotation cited to the National Republic, which appears to have been an advocacy magazine self-published (WP:SPS) by a figure connected to the subject of this article, not an independent WP:RS. For WP:DUEWEIGHT in this article, an independent RS would need to mention the quotation. WP:SOURCETYPES provides a list of some preferred sources. Llll5032 (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

National Republic was published by Walter S Steele. I'm not sure what "self-published" means, but the National Republic was widely distributed for many years, and in any case was not connected with John B Trevor. What makes National Republic an "unreliable source?" The statement by Rollin Browne that you removed is admittedly an opinion, but no more so than that of Louis Adamic ("America's alien-bater No. 1"). I thought Wikipedia encouraged both pro and con material in biographies. I'd like to restore the quote with your permission. Here is a link to the source: https://archive.org/details/sim_national-republic_1957-03_44_11/page/n1/mode/2up Sandytrevor (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, and often are academic and peer-reviewed. That description does not appear to describe National Republic, whose publisher's testimony was described as "possibly the most irresponsible ever presented" to the House Un-American Activities Committee. You could ask at WP:RSN if you disagree. Llll5032 (talk) 19:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks. I see why National Review may not meet Wikipedia standard for "reliable source." But that should not invalidate the article by Rollin Browne, which provides useful background on the false claim by Ralph McGill that damaged J B Trevor's reputation, and was later retracted on the front page of the Atlanta Constitution. There are several books today that contain the false claim so it is important that the actual facts be available in Wikipedia. And it is only fair to include an article that shows that not everyone had as negative opinion of J B Trevor as Adamic, right? Sandytrevor (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It could be included if cited to an independent reliable source (not the National Republic), proportionate to how it is described in that reliable source. But sources without a reputation for accuracy are generally not used. Llll5032 (talk) 20:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]